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A62014 The XXXVI questions propounded for resolution of unlearned Protestants in matter of religion to the doctors of the prelaticall pretended reformed-Church of England, retorted for resolution on unlearned papists in matter of religion, to V.H. and V.N. doctors of the pretended Catholick Church of Rome / by T. Svvadlin ... Swadlin, Thomas, 1600-1670. 1659 (1659) Wing S6228; ESTC R38289 40,246 62

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acknowledge_v that_o they_o succeed_v to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o other_o church_n adjoin_v with_o she_o against_o they_o in_o all_o the_o point_n of_o difference_n betwixt_o they_o and_o she_o and_o all_o those_o who_o be_v unite_v to_o she_o to_o be_v true_a church_n of_o christ_n and_o consequent_o to_o hold_v no_o fundamental_a error_n at_o all_o and_o consequent_a to_o this_o to_o acknowledge_v that_o their_o first_o author_n and_o church_n both_o in_o england_n and_o other_o country_n wrong_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o those_o other_o insufferable_o first_o in_o condemn_v they_o of_o superstition_n idolatry_n antichristianisme_n etc._n etc._n which_o be_v fundamental_a error_n in_o religion_n and_o destructive_a of_o salvation_n second_o upon_o this_o pretext_n in_o destroy_v burn_a and_o alienate_v to_o secular_a use_n so_o many_o thousand_o of_o their_o church_n monastery_n town_n city_n castle_n village_n three_o in_o massacrate_v and_o
simple_a and_o well-meaning_a man_n among_o you_o the_o distinction_n of_o your_o venial_a sin_n we_o refer_v to_o yourselves_o every_o sin_n we_o say_v be_v mortal_a so_o long_o as_o a_o man_n wilful_o continue_v in_o it_o know_v it_o to_o be_v sin_n nor_o do_v we_o hold_v it_o a_o point_n of_o faith_n to_o accuse_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n of_o superstition_n and_o idolatry_n but_o if_o you_o be_v guilty_a of_o such_o crime_n look_v you_o to_o it_o we_o err_v not_o damnable_o in_o say_v worship_v image_n or_o god_n by_o image_n be_v idolatry_n and_o therefore_o for_o all_o this_o be_v true_a church_n of_o christ_n we_o condemn_v not_o the_o visible_a church_n of_o the_o west_n nor_o of_o the_o east_n much_o less_o whole_a christendom_n for_o 900._o year_n together_o of_o superstition_n name_v but_o one_o point_n we_o hold_v contrary_a to_o the_o tenant_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n for_o 1600._o year_n i_o give_v you_o a_o large_a time_n we_o yield_v you_o be_v come_v acain_o to_o err_v venial_o and_o light_o to_o which_o you_o have_v answer_v before_o only_o take_v this_o by_o way_n of_o addition_n to_o your_o quotation_n of_o the_o bishop_n of_o cant._n p._n 129._o num._n 3._o all_o that_o that_o learned_a and_o most_o reverend_a bishop_n say_v and_o grant_v be_v that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v a_o true_a church_n in_o effence_n and_o this_o because_o she_o receive_v the_o scripture_n as_o a_o rule_n of_o faith_n though_o as_o but_o a_o partial_a and_o imperfect_a rule_n and_o both_o the_o sacrament_n as_o instrumental_a cause_n and_o seal_n of_o grace_n though_o they_o add_v more_o and_o misuse_v these_o and_o now_o what_o you_o have_v get_v by_o this_o quotation_n when_o you_o have_v understand_v it_o you_o may_v alter_v to_o a_o better_a mode_n to_o your_o last_o which_o charge_v we_o to_o communicate_v in_o prayer_n and_o sacrament_n with_o the_o presbyterian_o and_o calvinist_n and_o so_o be_v guilty_a of_o deadly_a schism_n and_o be_v 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to_o those_o who_o either_o be_v of_o the_o roman_a church_n or_o convert_v themselves_o to_o it_o quest_n 12_o that_o her_o very_a adversary_n after_o so_o many_o condemnation_n of_o she_o to_o hold_v most_o grievous_a and_o damnable_a error_n dare_v not_o now_o accuse_v she_o to_o hold_v any_o error_n destructive_a of_o salvation_n so_o that_o the_o belief_n of_o her_o doctrine_n in_o every_o point_n their_o obedience_n to_o all_o her_o commandment_n the_o exercise_n of_o all_o her_o practice_n their_o pray_v to_o saint_n reverence_v of_o holy_a image_n adore_v of_o christ_n as_o real_o and_o natural_o present_a in_o the_o sacrament_n etc._n etc._n consist_v with_o salvation_n and_o though_o some_o say_v bishop_n of_o cant._n p._n 281._o though_o these_o destroy_v not_o salvation_n yet_o they_o be_v dangerous_a point_n and_o practice_n weaken_v the_o foundation_n and_o endeavour_v the_o destruction_n of_o it_o in_o continuance_n of_o time_n yet_o who_o see_v not_o that_o it_o be_v 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