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A85036	Truth maintained, or Positions delivered in a sermon at the Savoy: since traduced for dangerous: now asserted for sound and safe. By Thomas Fuller, B.D. late of Sidney Colledge in Cambridge. The particulars are these. I That the doctrine of the impossibility of a churches perfection, in this world, being wel understood, begets not lazinesse but the more industry in wise reformers. II That the Church of England cannot justly be taxed with superstitious innovations. III How farre private Christians, ministers, and subordinate magistrates, are to concurre to the advancing of a publique reformation. IIII What parts therein are only to be acted by the Supreme power. V Of the progresse, and praise of passive obedience. VI That no extraordinary excitations, incitations, or inspirations are bestowed from God, on men in these dayes. VII That it is utterly unlawfull to give any just offence to the papist, or to any men whatsoever. VIII What advantage the Fathers had of us, in learning and religion, and what we have of them. IX That no new light, or new essentiall truths, are, or can be revealed in this age. X That the doctrine of the Churches imperfection, may safely be preached, and cannot honestly be concealed. With severall letters, to cleare the occasion of this book.	Fuller, Thomas, 1608-1661.; Saltmarsh, John, d. 1647. Examinations. Selections.; Fuller, Thomas, 1680-1661. Sermon of reformation. Selections.	1643 (1643)	Wing F2474; Thomason .36[9]; ESTC R23497	61,984	103

Spirit of God should not work in the soules of O unregenerate but expect an answerable Compliancy first who should be sanctified If God had expected any such Congruity in our businesse of salvation we had been unredeemed To speak P closer what Qualification did Queen Q Elizabeth expect when shee received a Kingdome warm from Popery What Qualification did R Henry the eight expect in his Attempt against the Supremacy when all his Kingdome was so universally conjured to Rome Such Moderation and Qualification is no other but a discreet taking so much as will serve your turne To the law saith the Scripture S and to the Test mony Moses wrought according to the Patterne so Salomon too godly Bucer makes it his worke to perswade King Edward to build up a perfect Church and he V prophesies sadly that he was afraid Popery would succeed because the Kingdome of England was so averse to the Kingdome of Christ And we know the Marian dayes followed me-thinkes we are too like his proprophesie and our W Marian times approach too fast TREATIS K You write of a Reformation of a Church like Bodin Would I wrote like Bodin though on the condition that I never wrote Answer to your Examinations Would we had some Bodins some such able States-men that they might improve their parts to advance an happy Accommodation betwixt our Sovereigne and his Subjects L You make it a worke of Policy not of Piety I make it as indeed it is a work both of Moses and Aaron wherein Piety is to be prefer'd and Policy is not to be excluded M Such Counsellours had Jeroboam and Jehu Sir shoot your Arrowes at me till your Quiver be empty but glance not with the least slenting insinuation at His Majesty by consequence to compare him to Jeroboam or Jehu for their Idolatry He knoweth how to bestow his Gold farre better and to leave the Calves for others N This Moderation and Qualification you speake of is not so consistent with spirituall Essenses and Operations This your line is not so consistent with sense as to need much lesse deserve a Confutation O If the Spirit of God should not have wrought in the souls of Unregenerate I wonder that allotting as you say but one afternoon for the whole work of your Examination you could spend so much time some minutes at least in such impertinencies P To speake closer And truly no more then needs for as yet you are farre enough from the matter But I will not confute what you confesse Q What Qualification did Queen Elizabeth expect She needed not to expect any when she had all Requisites to reforme Those who have such Qualification are not to expect but to fall a working those that want it are not to fall a working but still to expect Queen Elizabeth as supream in her Dominions had a sufficient calling to reforme nothing was wanting in her Onely her Memory doth still deservedly expect a more thankfull acknowledgement of her worthy paines then generally she hath received hitherto R What Qualification did Henry the eight expect in his attempt against supremacy He likewise had Qualification sufficient and therefore needed not to expect any as your following words doe witnesse wherein you say that All his Kingdome was universally conjured to Rome If it was his Kingdome then he had a calling if it was conjured to Rome then he had a cause to reforme and being the King was bound to be the Exorcist to un-conjure his Subjects from such superstition Yea had King Henry reformed as sincerely as he had a lawfull Calling thereunto his memory had not been constantly kept in such a purgatory of mens tongues for his lukewarme Temper even the most moderate counting him too good for to be condemned and too bad to be commended S To the Law saith the Scripture and to the testimony I will treasure up this excellent passage till a convenient time being confident that before the next Paragraffe is examined I shall appeale to these Judges and you decline them T Godly Bucer makes it his worke to perswade King Edward to build up a perfect Church The book of godly Bucer which you cite I have seene on the selfe same token that therein he makes a Bishops to be above Presbyters Jure divino You know Bucer wrote this worke as leading the front of his Opera Anglicana in the very beginning of King Edwards reigne before the Reformation was generally received in England and whilst as yet Popery was practised in many places And next to this his book followeth his gratulation to the English Church for their entertaining of the Purity of the Gospell so that what he doth perswade in the book you alleadge was in some good measure performed in that Ks. reign and afterwards better compleated by Queen Elizabeth V And he prophesieth sadly that he was afraid Popery would succeed Herein he took shrewd aime and it happened he hit right Such predictions are onely observed when afterwards they chance to take effect otherwise if missing the marke men misse to marke them and no notice at all is taken of them I know a latter Divine not the lowest in learning one of the highest in b zeale amongst them who foretelleth that Atheisme rather then Popery is likely to overrunne England Such Presages may serve to admonish not to afright us as not proceeding from a propheticall spirit but resulting from prudentiall observations But before we take our farewell of this book of Bucers it will not be amisse to remember another passage not to say presage in the same worthy worke that we may see what sinnes in his opinion were forerunners of ruine in a Kingdome The margin presents the Reader with the c latin which I here translate though the former part thereof be englished already in mens practise and the latter I feare will be englished in Gods judgements How horrible an affront doe they doe to the Divine Majesty who use the Temples of the Lord for Galleries to walk● in and for places so prophane that in them with their fellowes that prattle and treat of any uncleane and prophane businesse This sure is so great a contempt of God that long since even for this alone we have deserved altogether to be banished from the face of the earth and to be punished with heaviest judgements Such I am afraid will fall on our nation for their abominable abusing of Churches besides other of their sinnes and prophaning the places of Gods worship Not to speake of those and yet what man can hold his tongue when the mouthes of graves are forced open who in a place to vvhich their guilty conscience can point vvithout my pens direction did by breaking up the Sepulchers of our Saxon Christian Kings erect an everlasting Monument to their ovvn sacriledge Such practises must needs provoke Gods anger and now me-thinks I write of the Reformation of a Church like Bucer and not like Bodin W Me-thinks we are too

except shee come not out of her Mynority till just shee be ready to die and to be dissolved G. Would not Sunne the Imperiall {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} Godly secrets in Religion in some respects may be Sunn'd First that thereby they may be tryed all Truths have Eagles eyes whether or no they can behold and beare the Sunne Beames Secondly because our * Saviour hath said what I tell you in darknesse that speake in the light and what you heare in the Eare that preach you upon the House toppe Lastly that by proclaiming them the Godly may have an oppertunity to receive them and the wicked be rendred unexcusable for refusing them when such Truths are made generally knowne H. Nor make them popular I distinguish on the word Popular If it be taken as generally it is use having confined a word of generall acception in it selfe to an ill sence to Court the good will of people for any private or sinester end it is utterly unlawfull for Popularity which is necessary love in a Prince is unlawfull lust in a Subject who may not Court the Kings wife for to him a lone are the People married in a Politicke Relation All honest men therefore disclaime to make Truths Popular in this fence to impart them to the vulgar to gaine any vaine applause Yea consider herein whether you rather be not faultie in making the Imperiall {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} to bee Popular who incite and incourage ordinary People to make a Publique Reformation But Truths in Divinity must be made Popular that is bee communicated to all people in true sinceritie for the saving of their Soules The * Apostle calleth it the Common salvation and therefore it must be preached to all in common our Sermons must aswell be ad Populum as ad clerum Otherwise such Monopolies are illegall and distructive to the State of the Church for any Ministers to engrosse any wholsome Doctrine to themselves and not imparte it to their Parish except in the cases afore mentioned EXAMINER Apology I have now done I will not say refuting but committing Errors I am afraid my hast at this time hath made me mend one fault only with another TREATISE I will not oppose yours but annex my owne conclusion If I should deny my owne many Imperfections my practise would confute what my Pen hath maintained Reader for the matter of what I have written I require thee in Gods name do me Iustice for the manner method or words thereof I request thee as I am a Man shew mee favour Thinke not the worse of the Truths for my sake but thinke the better of me for the Truths sake which I have defended And conceive me not to be of a brawling and controversiall disposition who do desire and will pray for an Agreement from my Soule so long as my speech shall serve me Yea if I should chance to be stricken dumbe I would with Zacharia make signes for table booke● and write the name of that which I desire above all earthly thing is PEACE God send it Amen FINIS Quid amplius praepotenti immortali Deo tribuimus si quod eius proprium est eripimus Bodin de Repub. l. 1 c. ult 2 Cor. 1. 17. 18. Acts 25. 16. 2 Sam. 3. 14. 1 Cor 7. 26. Gen. 31. 27. Gen. 31. 31. Luk. 8. 18. Acts 17. 11. Act. 20. 38. Acts 24. 5. Pro. 11. 15. Bodin de Repub. lib. 1. p 50. Iudg. 19. 29. 1 King 19. 14. Rev. 3 16. Mat. 11. 12. 1 King 13. 18. 2 Sam. 13. 19. Jude 9. 1 The Doctrine of the impossibility o● a Churches perfection in this world being well understood begets not lazinesse but the more industry in wise reformers Phil. 3. 13. Bishop Montague Franciscus Secta Clara 2. That the Church of England cannot justly be taxed with ●●perstitious innovations Pro 9. 13. A foolish woman is clamoro●● Ephe. 4. 31. wrath and anger and clamour 1 Thes. 4. 11. Study to be quiet Bucer in lib. d● Regno Christ● a 〈◊〉 perpetua● Ecclesia●um observation● ab ipsis iam Apostolis v●d mus visnm h●c esse spiritus Sancto ut inter Presbite●● quibus Ecclesiarum precuratis potissimum est comm●ss● unus Ecclesia● rum let us Sac●● Minis●●rii ●aram 〈◊〉 singularem eaque enra solicttudina cauctis prec●at alus qua de ca●sa Ep●scopi nomen huiusm●di summis Ecclesiarum Curatoribus est peculiaritur attributum Bucerus de regno Christi lib. 2. cap. 12. b M. Greenham in his grave Counsels in the word Atheisme pag. 3. c Q●am horrenaum illi faciunt divina Maiestati contumeliam qni Templa Domini habent pro De Ambulaer●is lucisque tam prophanis ut in illis quaevis impura prophana cum similibus suia garriant per●ractent Haec certa tanta est divini numinis Contemptio ut ea vel sola prid●m meriti sumus o●n no de Terra exterminari quidem suppliciis gravissimus multari Bucerus de r●gno Christi lib. 1. cap. 10. Nehem. 8. 1. 3 How far private Christians Ministers and subordinate Magistrates are to concur to the advancing of a publike Reformation 2 Sam. 20. 1. 4. What parts therein are onely to be acted by the supreame Power Mar. 5. 3. 2● 5. Of the progresse and praise of passive O●e●ence Est haec pontificiorum tess●ra crudelitas aliud est Protestantium symbol●m clementia Isti occidunt Hi occidunt Laurentius Humphreys in resp●n ad Epistolas Camp●ani Deut. 2. 5. 2 King 14. to Cro. 15. 19. Pro. 20 19. 24. 21. 26. 17. 20. 3. Exo. 21. 33. 34 6. That no extraordinary excitations incitations or inspirations are bestowed from God on men in these dayes Gen. 22. 2. Judg. 16. 30. Exod. 12. 36. This appeares because in the Prop●et he is stiled Governo●r of Judah Hag 1. 14. and that at the s●lf same time when Ezra came thither see Luthers Chronology in 40. millenarco Auscrenda Idola non potest quisquam iubere privatus Aug. cont. literos Utilium lib. 2. cap 92. Ezra 4. 24. Drusius in pentetuchen ex R. Aben-Ezrah Pro. 3. 32. Ps. 148. Q Rom. 13. 1 In publi●cos 〈◊〉 omn●●s 〈◊〉 T. rtullianus 2 King 9. 35. Mat. 5. 29. That it is utterly unlawfull to give any just offence to the Papists or to any men whatsoever 1 Cor. 10. 32. 2 Cor. 6. 3. * 2. Sam. 11. 15. Gall 2. 11 * 1 King 18. 29. * Rev. 3. 18. * Sanctorum nonnulli perfecti dicuntur respectu mundanorum qui negligunt res divinas nec ingrediuntur unquam viam prosectionis Amb. Com. in Epist ad Phil. Cap. 3. * 2 King 6. 9. * Cited by Mr. Capel in his Booke of Temptation 8. What advantage the Fathers had of us in Learning and Religion and what wee heve of them * {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} 1 Cor. 11. 23. * Iudg. 2. 7● * Nos nani sumus stantes super humeros Gygantum Hol. cott. 9. No new light or new essentiall truths are or can be revealed in this age * Revel. 14 3. * Reve. 21. 18. * Dan. 12. 4. * 1 Sam. 25. 10 * Ioel 2. 28. Acts 2. 17. * Gal. 2. 11. * 2 Sam. 3● * Paragraffe 24. * 1 Dut. 28. 10. That the Doctrine of the Churches imperfection may safely bee preached and cannot honestly bee concealed * Math. 10. 26 * Iude. 3.