causarum cognitionem arrogare c. He is therfore cursed by the Protestant vvriters as bearing the mark of the beast in acknowledging the Popes supremacy and for subduing all Christian Churches to his iurisdiction so Frigiuillaeus in his palma Christiana dedicated to Q. Elizabeth pag. 35. saying that Constantin preferred the Bishops of Rome and Constantinople before others yet attributed the Primacy before all to the Roman And pag. 34. saith that Constantin gaue the povver of the beast to Pope Iulius vvhich Iulius presently exercised for Constantin also carried the mark of the Dragon in his armes c. And Mr Napper in his Treatise vpon th Reuelations dedicated to King Iames saith After the year of God 300. the Emperor Constantin subdued all Christian Churches to Pope Siluester from vvhich time till these our dayes the Pope and his Clergy hath possessed the outvvard and visible Church Q. Pardon Sir that I interrupt you from proceeding further in the Proof of Constantins being a Papist I am fully conuinc't he was of your Popish Religion and seing Mr Napper sayes to King Iames that Popery possessed and gouerned the visible Church euer since that time I would willingly know whether it was so before Constantins time or whether that Emperor bestowed this supremacy vpon the Pope and pulld down Protestancy to set up Popery A. To satisfy your curiosity I will remit you to your own Protestant writers the Centurists and others I will only tell you that one of the most learnest protestant writers called Philip Nicolai took great pains in this matter in his work de regno Christi undertaking to discouer the first beginning and increase of the papal dignity or supremacy and concludeth at last with these words pag. 221. Primatus affectatio communis fuit infirmitas Apostolorum ac etiam primorum Vrbis Romae Episcoporum The affectation of the Primacy was an infirmity common to the Apostles as also to the first Bishops of Rome Mr Midleton likewise in his Papistomastix pag. 193. saith that perusing Councells Fathers and stories from the Apostles forvvord vve find the print of the Popes feet Vve may therfore follow securely steps so ancient and so authentik If Popery were not the right way to heauen certainly the ancient Councells would haue condemn'd it the Fathers would haue declin'd it and the Histories would haue recounted how it entred into the Church and supplanted the former Religion that Christ and the Apostles had preach't And yet not a vvord of this change or corruption in Councells Fathers or any History This is the greatest of Miracles that the doctrin and publik profession of Popery being in itself so contrary to Protestancy vvhich is supposed by its Professors to haue bin the pure and primitiue Christianity should steale so early and so insensibly into the Church notwithstanding the vigilancy of those primitiue Pastors and the great concern of euery faithfull to obserue and oppose the least nouelty whatsoeuer in matters of doctrin any change or corruption therof inuoluing a damnable heresy Q. Though the conuersion of all heathen Kings and Nations were as you say to Popery and performed by Papists and that it is not credible God vvould permit so general a peruersion vvherby the end of instituting his Church would be frustrated yet I vvould vvillingly know vvhether you can produce any Miracles against our Protestant doctrin vvherby we differ from the Papists A. See D◠Humfry in Iesuitismi p. 2◠rat 5. p. 5. 627. Bishop Bale in Act. Rom. Pont. pag. 44.45 46. Osiand in Epit. Cēt. 6. p. 289. 288. And the Magdeb. Centur. 6. cap. 20. All the Miracles that moued the Pagans to be Papists were wrought against Protestancy I will instance it in the conuersion of our Saxon Ancestors vvho vvere Pagans and made Papists by the preaching and Miracles of St Austin the Monk Apostle of England The Protestant writers confess he conuerted the Saxons to the Chaos of Popish Ceremonies and superstition and specify worship of Images praying to Saints Purgatory Mass Transubstantiatiation holy water c. And yet themselues confess with St Bede that his doctrin and that of the ancient Britans of that time B p. Iuel in his pageant of Popes B p. Goduin in his Catalogue of Bishops p. 1. Fox in his Acts and Monum printed 1576. pag. 463. difered only in a ceremony of Baptism and in the day of celebrating Easter St Austin confirming his own practise therin by a confessed Miracle of restoring sight to a blind man Now it being euident by our English Chronicles and the Protestant vvriters vvherof Mr Iohn Fox Bishop Goduin and Bishop Iuel are to be particularly noted as being most eminent that the ancient Britans after receiuing the Catholik Faith in the Apostles time held the same untill Austins coming and neuer forsook it for any manner of false preaching of other nor for torments c. It must be concluded that the ancient Britans were first conuerted to Popery and so continued untill Austins time and that his and their doctrin was the same in all particulars contrary to Protestancy and confirmed by Miracles But because you seem to desire a dogmatical Miracle that is one vvrought in confirmation of Popery not only as it is Christianity in general but at it is Christianity in particular and opposit to Protestancy I will endeu or to satisfy your curiosity hoping therby to setle your conscience CHAP. IX St. BERNARDS VNDENIABLE Miracles vvrought by God to confound Protestants and confirm the doctrin of the Sacrifice of the Mass Transubstantiation Purgatory Prayer for the dead Prayer to Saints their vvorship and that of Images Chrisme the Popes supremacy c. SAint Bernards learning sanctity and Miracles are so generaly confessed by all Protestant writers that Doctor Stillingfleet in his late Comedy of the Idolatry and Fanaticism of the Church of Rome durst not bring him vpon the stage Vvhitaker de Ecclesiâ pag. 369. saith of him I do realy belieue Bernard vvas a true Saint Osiander cent 12. saith Saint Bernard Abot of Clareual vvas a uery pious man c. Gomarus in speculo Ecclesiae pag. 23. saith one pious man your Church had in many years Bernard your Saint And Pasquils return into England pag. 8. 13. saith he vvas a good Father and one of the lamps of Gods Church He was so famous for his learning humility deuotion and Miracles that after his refusal of all Ecclesiastical dignities he gouerned not only the Church but the temporal Princes were sayd by him and submitted to his iudgment King Henry 2. of England forsook a Schismatical Pope which he had supported against the King of France by saint Bernards persuasion The King of France gaue ouer troubling the Bishops for his sake VVilliam the Duke of Aquitain was conuerted from a deuouring wolf to a meek Lamb by his words All the world lookt upon saint Bernard as the Apostle of that age wherin diuers heresies were
Protestant Reformations that the Authors therof were not Bishops and by consequence could not transmit either that caracter or that of Priestood to their successors as they did their doctrin This defect they endeuored to supply by persuading such as belieued them that no indelible caracter or visible ceremony of imposition of Episcopal hands was necessary for a Minister of the Ghospel And euen the Church of England was necessitaded to approue of this desperat doctrin in the 25. of its 39. articles of Religion because it was then well Knowen the Consecrators of her first Bishops were no real Bishops though they were called so for reason of state One is that the constitution of English Parliaments requiring Bishops as one of the three estates of the Kingdom and their votes being a considerable addition to the soueraigns authority of which alone their nomination dependeth Q. Elizabeth in this particular of Episcopacy went against the principles of other Reformations and would needs Keep vp the name of Bishops in her Church But it happened very cross to her design that none of the Catholik Bishops of England no others were then there liuing would lay hands upon or consecrate any of those new ones which she named to that dignity See the cōmission and dispensation in Doctor Bramhall the Protestant Bishop of Derry his vindication of the Episcopacy of England See the statut 8. Eliz. 1. Therfore she was forc't to issue forth a second commission for that purpose and therin to dispense by virtue of her supreme spiritual iurisdiction vvith the very state and condition of the Consecrators And this power and practise hauing bin publikly excepted against by Catholik Authors in print as null and ridiculous it was confirmed and declared by Act of Parliament 8. Eliz. 1. that whatsoeuer had bin don untill then in making of Bishops Archbishops c. by the Queens commission under the great seal of England should stand as ualid whether the Consecrators were Bishops or no Bishops any person or persons vvhatsoeuer hauing bin declared capable of giuing that caracter to any other prouided they were authorised therunto by her Maiesties commission under the great seal This occasioned great disputes between Doctor Haiding and Doctor Iuel one of the first Protestant Bishops Doctor Haiding in his printed bookes desired Mr Iuel to name the Bishop that consecrated him Parker and the rest of Queen Elizabeths first Bishops and was content to submit to Iuel and own the validity of his and the other protestant Bishops consecration if he would name Parkers Consecrator A man would think this was no such intricat matter nor strong argument if euer Parker had bin consecrated by a Bishop And yet Iuel hauing bin thus prouoked by his insulting Aduersary could neuer name Parkers Consecrator of whose consecration depended that of the rest nor produce Registers of that consecration when Harding called for them though som 50. years after appear'd in print a very formal Register of Parkers consecration copied forsooth out of Records Kept in Lauander at Lambeth The unseasonable appearance of this new found Register occasioned much laughter and new disputes which haue continued vntill these times And indeed it can not well enter into any considering mens heads that Parker Iuel and the first protestant Bishops who were called by Catholiks no Bishops in print for want of a right Consecrater and challenged to name the Bishops that consecrated them or Parker their aduersaries setting their stress vpon that only argument would not take the pains to see and search their Registers of Lambeth for a Bishops name that imported them so much to name if any such Bishop had euer bin or any such Records had bin then extant Besides sure their memories were not so short as not to remember without the help of Registers and Records the name of a man that their Successors pretended fifty years after the time of answering was past had made Parker a Bishop but fiue years before they were askt the question with so much ceremony and solemnity For Hardings book and Iuells answer were printed an 1565. or therabouts An other thing made the prelatik Clergies caracter absolutly null And that was the Form which they used in the consecration of their Bishops and Priests This Form was iudged essentialy defectiue because not one word therof did express or mention the caracter pretended to be giuen therby And though the Church of England for neer one hundred years had defended and practised this Form yet at length they were forc't to submit to their Aduersaries exceptions and reasons against it and to change and correct the Form as wee directed in the bookes we writ against the same Vpon the Kings restauration they printed their Ritual and therin you may see the words Bishop and Priest added vnto the Form of their consecrations which or their equiualent are absolutly necessary and yet nothing like them was in the old Forms and former editions This humility of theirs is to be commended though it be to no purpose seing the change made not them who went before it Bishops and though their late reformed Form be valid yet when pronounced by men that are not Bishops it works no effect nor giues any caracter either of Priestood or Episcopacy to themselues or their Successors And none of the Protestant Clergy hath bin consecrated by a true Bishop since the change of their old Form Let the Protestant Layty now reflect vpon the caracter and conscience of their Clergy as being men who take vpon themselues the administration of Sacraments absolution from sins spiritual jurisdiction and all functions belonging to true Bishops and Priests though themselues can not but know there is no probable ground to belieue they are such I say nothing of the reuenues they are possessed of vpon the account of being Churchmen but I can not be so uncharitable as not to aduertise my Countreymen of the danger they are in and of the damnation which will follow if by timely repentance and a generous resolution they do not withdraw themselues from the direction of such Teachers and from the Ministery of such a Clergy Vvhat can they answer to the obiection we borrow from the statut 8. Eliz. Can they imagin that the Queen would dispense with the state and condition of the Consecraters if they had had the Episcopal caracter Vvhat need was there of a dispensation with their state and condition if they were real Bishops Vvhy should the Parlament confirm this dispensation and enact by law that whatsoeuer was don by this commission of the Queens should be valid whether the Consecraters were Bishops or not the words are by any person or persons vvhatsoeuer All that my Countreymen can say is that they haue an Act of Parliament for the caracter of their Clergy and for the saluation of their souls Vvhat that will auail them in the other world I wish they did consider Surely they can not but know that such Acts will
and plausible an appearance of true miracles to confirm any false doctrin as we see in the Roman Catholik Church Therfore if the miracles of the Roman Catholik Church be not true Gods infinit veracity as also his goodness and prouidence may be questioned This may be explained to the vulgar sort by a similitude Suppose there were in som shire or town of England or Scotland a company of men acting in the Kings name as his priuy or great Councell with all the formes and formalities therof as a Lord Chancellor or Commissioner Tresurer Secretaries members of Parliament Clerks c. and that a considerable part of the Nation obeyed their orders and commands as men authorised by the King who is not ignorant of these publik proceedings and by consequence can not be rationaly thought auerse but rather seem to approue of them especialy if he be able without danger of disturbance to hinder and humble this pretended Councell by declaring them to be but a counterfeit Assembly of Cheats and Rebells and by punishing them accordingly A King I say that might hinder such a counterfeit Parliament or Councell from abusing himself and his subiects by so seeming a legal authority and yet would not can not be thought to haue any truth goodness or iustice because by his conniuance at those impostures which he might haue discouerd without trouble or inconueniencies he doth countenance and confirm that Councell as commissioned by himself This may be easily and aptly applied to the Roman Catholik Church which is inuested with so many miraculous marks of Gods authority and therfore doth act by a warant so seemingly Diuine that Gods bare permission of such a cheat as Protestants suppose the Roman Catholik Church to be would conclude his want of prouidence goodness and veracity and by consequence there can be no excuse or rational hopes of saluation for Protestants or any others that will not submit their iudgment to a Church and doctrin so publikly commissioned and confirmed by Gods great seal Miracles as yet shall more particularly appeare in the ensuing sections SECT I. VVHETHER THE CREDIBLE and constant report there is of true miracles vvrought in the Roman Catholik Church be a sufficient euidence to conuict of damnable obstinacy and heresy such as stight them or vvill not heare of them Q. Is it then vpon this ground of not belieuing the Roman Catholik miracles which are recounted by the ancient Fathers or others Roman Catholiks say that we Protestants are obstinat heretiks and that such of vs as dye not members of your Church are damned Is not this a foolish and vncharitable opinion A. One of the grounds of that censure is the Definition of Heresy which is an error in the understanding and obstinacy in the vvill against any truth or authority that is sufficienly proposed as Diuine Now the great appearance and moral euidence there is of the Roman Catholik Church together with its tradition doth sufficiently propose or declare its doctrine and authority to be Diuine For though it be not demonstratiuely euident that the Roman Catholik miracles are true miracles nor that its tradition and testimony is infallible yet it is moraly euident and by consequence sufficiently euident that its doctrin is Diuine and that God is Author of the same it being confirmed by such Miracles and that by them he doth authorise that Church as Princes do their officers by letters patents under their great seale Miracles being the great seale wherwith Gods Ministery and doctrin is made authentik Q. Vvhat is moral euidence of a miracle A. Moral euidence of a miracle is so credible and so constant a report therof that to deny or doubt of the fact reported argues imprudence in the dissenter and renders his caution of not belieuing both rash and ridiculous because it destroyes at least all historical and human Faith Q. May not a man belieue History and rely vpon human authority though he belieues not the stories of the most authentik Roman Catholik miracles A. No if he discourseth consequently and according to the rules of reason wherof one principal is that the same cause produceth the same effects and the same authority the same assent or belief If therfore the same ancient Fathers or Authors vpon whose testimony or tradition you rely for belieuing a miracle of Christian religion in genral or of the Trinity or Incarnation in particular recount the like miracles of Transubstantiation prayer to Saints or Purgatory you are rash and irrational in contemning that same authority which you credited in as difficult a subiect and as much aboue your comprehension for you ought to belieue both the miracles and mysteries or neither Q. Is moral euidence of true miracles sufficient to conuict of damnable obstinacy and heresy all such as slight that euidence and will not examin the grounds and effects therof A. Yes The reason is 1. because they are a sufficient euidence that the doctrin confirmed by them is Diuine 2. because Christs miracles were only moraly not demonstratiuely euident as miracles for if they had bin demonstratiuely euident as such none of the Iewes could deny them to be Diuine or could think they were wrought by the power of Beelzebub And though it was but moraly euident that Christs miracles were true miracles yet that moral euidence was sufficient to conuict the incredulous Iewes of damnable obstinacy and heresy Q. I desire to Know what it is you call damnable obstinacy A. Damnable obstinacy is a setled resolution of remaining in your own opinion of religion or a neglect of inquiring into the grounds of any other notwithstanding the prudent doubts you haue or would haue had if you had not bin carless of being saued in the way wherin you haue bin educated or made choice of Q. I do agree with you that if one doubts of the truth of his own religion he will be damnd unless he inquires into it or som other untill he doth what he can to be satisfied but I can not be persuaded that a man is bound to doubt of that religion wherin he hath bin bred because he heares of miracles wrought in an other unless his own be so absurd or inconsequent that he must doubt of its truth whether he will or no. A. There are two sorts of doubts 1. is a doubt which occurrs to ourselues by our own observation 2. is a doubt not started by ourselues but by som other more learned in matters of religion and as much to be credited and as litle to be suspected of hauing any design but our saluation in our change of opinion as he whom we most confide in Doubts of our own obseruation are very ordinary being grounded vpon the most obuious occurrences as a publik change of Religion either vpon the score of conscience or interest this last is as suspicious euen to the dullest comprehensions as the other is edifying Not only the change into a thriuing religion but constancy in a persecuted one doth
damnd by their profession 1. No Protestant Bishop or Minister can be saued if they repent not their hauing bin of that religion The reason is though many of them were more ignorant than they are yet that ignorance can not excuse them because their calling doth oblige them to be at least so learned in History if not in Diuinity as to know the nouelty of their own reformed Tenets and the manners and motiues of the Authors of their Reformations These hauing bin so contrary to Christianity and morality the Preachers and Promoters deserue nothing so well as damnation either for damning others or for not knowing they will be damn'd themselues 2. No man or woman that hath read or heard the contents of Doctor Heylins History of the Church of England or of any such Protestant Author relating the change of Religion and the causes of that change in our Countrey can be saued if they continue and dye Protestants For the cheat of that change is so visible the motiues so wicked and the practises of the Authors and Actors so abominable that there is not the least room left for a tolerable excuse or conscientious mistake The spiritual supremacy of a layman doth not only inuolue a contradiction but the occasion of King Henry 8. assuming it was so scandalous and the way of exercising it so ridiculous that euery one was as much offended at his presumption in making himself Christs Vicar in spiritualibus as they were at his profaness in making Cromuel of Putney his own Vicar general ouer the Clergy And all this confusion was raised because the Pope would not comply with his lust in diuorcing him from his lawfull wife and marrying him to An Bullen There was not a man in England then who did not see and say from whence the Kings spiritual supremacy the fundation and distinction of prelatik Protestancy had its rise and their saying is to this day continued and growen a rude Prouerb As for the change of the Mass into the Common prayer it seemed euen to all the poor Countrey folks so absurd that they took up arms against it in K. Ed. 6. reign and both it and the whole protestant Reformation was condemned as heresy by Act of Parliament 1. Mar. And though the same Reformation was again restored by an other Act of Q. Eliz. som fiue years after yet euery one Knew that the very same persons who voted for restoring it were they who had condemn'd it and now went against their conscience for Q. Elizabeths sake who not only promised rewards but gaue hopes as Doctor Heylin Confesseth of marrying herself to diuers persons euen of the lower House vvho vvere instrumental in getting Votes and securing her interest by reuiuing and setling that Religion vvhich themselues had cryed dovvn as heresy in Q. Maries dayes Vvhat ploughman or Ditcher in any part of England hath not vvit and learning enough to confute and contemn such a change and such a reformation There needs no Logik or Diuinity A bare Knovvledge of the fact is sufficient to discouer the fraud Fevv in England are so ignorant as not to Knovv that Henry 8. turnd avvay Q. Katherin for his loue to An Bullen and that Q. Elizabeth brought in the nevv Religion to strengthen her vveake title to the Croun against the Knovvn right of the Steuards 3. Though it vvere granted that the Knowledge of this change of Religion doth not quite conuince the most illiterat and dull people of its falsood yet it can not be denyed but that it must of necessity raise prudent doubts against its being Diuinely inspired and that whosoeuer is careless in cleering those doubts doth sin mortaly and will be damn'd if he dyes in that sin For a prudent doubt is as if it were the twilight of reason discouering som absurdity in that which formerly we unwarily belieued not reflecting upon the same untill som new chance or circumstance made it appear more cleerly unto us Vvhen this new chance or circumstance doth make an impression upon our mind and conscience we are bound to inquire after the cause and cure of that impression and remorse if not the sore will turn into a canker which can not be otherwise preuented than by a conscientious curiosity according to euery ones capacity The illiterat person is not bound to learn to read or to study Philosophy but he is bound to repair to his honest neighbors to inquire and hear what the Papists can say for their Religion as well as the Protestants And if he doth this without preiudice and with a good intention he will cleer his doubt and conscience Q. I am confident there are many poor Countrey fellows in England who neuer heard of King Henry 8. amours with An Bullen nor of his assuming the spiritual supremacy nor of Q. Elizabeths reuiuing protestancy to salue her own illegitimacy or to secure her interest against the Queen of Scots right How then can these men doubt or discourse of what they neuer heard must they also be damn'd A. There is not one in England who hath not heard of Persecution and Proclamations against Papists and that these men suffer for their conscience and the old Religion This can not but excite a curiosity to Know what men these are and why they should be so foolish as to suffer for so ridiculous a Religion and so strange a Beast as the Parson describeth both the Pope and Popery to be when he forgets his sermon or hath a mind to diuert his Audience or incense them against Catholiks By these and other such wayes the most dull men com to heare and may be informed of the Roman Catholik Religions antiquity as of the nouelty of the Protestant and how this came to be introduced this once Knowen all the industry and artifices of the Protestant party will neuer be able to preuent or root out of mens minds those rational doubts which are grounded vpon the light of common sense when it discouers as it must in this case the least deformity or dissonancy against reason in any obiect whatsoeuer For what can be more dissonant to the very first principles of reason than to preferr a priuat new and interested sense of Scripture before that old one which the Church stuck to as authentik for so many ages The English Bible or Translation before that which all Christendom hath bin say'd by aboue 1200. years An Act of Parliament of Queen Elizabeth and the Abettors of her interest before all other Acts of English Parliaments and all general Councells The authority of such debaucht Friers and Priests as Luther Caluin and the first Protestant Reformers before that of all the holy Doctors and the whole body of the Roman visible Church since the Apostles In a word new fancies called a Reformation before that old Christianity wherin our Ancestors as also our Kings liued and dyed so happily and wherin as the learned Protestants themselues confess they were saued wheras we all deny
be no excuse before that dreadfull Iudge who takes no other euidence but that of our own conscience This only we must consult in matters of Eternity and not think that a Clergy or Religion established by a temporal law is lawfull though it should be called legal by an Act of Parlament Q. Sir I haue seen the Registers of Lambeth you would haue me suspect as forged I assure you I see no sign of forgery in them And as for Bishop Iuels not answering Doctor Harding demand concerning the first Protestant Bishops and particularly Parkers Consecrator perhaps he thought it an idle question and underualued so weak an obiection A. Forged Registers are often the most formal all counterfeit ware standing in need of being set forth with great artifice Vve haue seen Registers and Records of publik Courts of Iudicature so artificialy changed and corrupted that nothing but their not being produced many years before when they were called for could conclude the forgery Doctor Harding called for the Registers of the first protestant Bishops Consecration as well as for the Consecraters name Neither did B. Iuel contemn this demand as you imagin He went as far in the answer as he durst He answered 1. that the first protestant Bishops in the beginning of Queen Elizabeths reign were consecrated in due form by Archbishop Parker their Metropolitan But being again pressed by Harding to name Parkers Consecrator he put off that impertinent question wherof the whole controuersy and the credit of the Church of England depended by a wild digression and long discourse of the ancient Bishops being consecrated without aquainting the Pope But sure Mr Iuel might aquaint Doctor Harding with the name of him who consecrated Parker as well as he named Parker for Consecrator of the other Bishops and certainly would if Parker himself had bin realy consecrated by a Bishop If you do not belieue my relation read Doctor Hargings bookes against Iuel and Iuels own Apology for the Church of England where they treat of this particular Q. Gentlemen I would to God you did agree among yourselues and not break the Layties heads with your disputes You haue put so many doubts into mine that I can hardly belieue any thing On both sides you seem to bee honest and learned men therfore I think my best way is to continue in the Church of England and trust in God that I shall not be damn'd for not being of that of Rome untill I be better satisfied that the points wherin it differs from ours are necessary for saluation And this requiring longer time the particulars being so many than I am like to liue t' is not credible God would oblige me or any other illiterat person to spend our dayes rather in controuersies than in prayer and good works and in the end be as litle satisfied with ourselues as our and your Clergy are with one an other Yourselues grant that implicit Faith is sufficient for such ignorant people as I am that Faith I am sure I haue for I do belieue all that God reuealed though I do not know what it is he reuealed or whether he hath apointed the Church of Rome rather than that of England to instruct the world and inform us of his reuelations And truly I belieue a man may be saued without troubling himself to know which of them it is that God hath apointed for our instruction prouided we be redy to be members therof when that shall be made cleer to us by better arguments than I am able to inquire after A. This is so dangerous doctrin that I iudge it worth my pains to shew yet further the obligation the most illiterat men haue to search after the true Church and how easiâ—y they may find it out by visible signs and how you may without any help but that of common sense be satisfied of the truth of euery particular point of doctrin wherin Roman Catholiks differ from Protestants And all this in the space of less than two houres time Q. Nay Sir if you perform your undertaking I deserue to be damn'd for all Eeternity if I will nor hear you for so short a time as two hours I pray Sir proceed CHAP. VIII HOVV EVERY ILLITERAT PERSON may easily and in the space of two houres find out the true Church and the truth of euery point of doctrin controuerted betvveen Catholiks and Protestants VVHen the people of Israel were most diuided in matters of Religion 3. Reg. 8. the Prophet Elias made a motion to them of cleering the truth by that famous dogmatical Miracle of burning an Ox upon the Altar without kindling the fire under it This cleer and compendious way was hugely approued of by the multitude as suting best with their capacities for they needed not learning to dispute their eyes were sufficient Iudges and they had so much common sense as to know that God would not permit a falsood to be confirmd by a miracle in so publik a trial wherin his Veracity was so particularly concerned The Prophets therfore of Baal durst not refuse so fair an offer as Elias made in their presence and I hope the Protestant Clergy will be ashamed to refuse mine Let us not delude the people with school subtilities or obscure texts of scripture If the Church of England or Scotland or any other reformed one be the true Church and its doctrin the true doctrin let that be tried by miracles I shall try ours of Rome by that test I challenge then all the Bishops and Ministers of the Church of England and all others of the Reformation or all the Protestants of the world to work or mention any one miracle euer yet wrought by any Protestant to confirm any one point of doctrin wherin they differ from the Roman Catholik Gentlemen summon your Sinods search into all histories profane and sacred set your heads together and produce at least som probable testimony of as much as one miracle to grace your Reformations And if you can not find undoubted miracles at least shew som thing that lookes like a miracle som thing that may be mistaken for one wherof the falsood or fraud hath not bin as yet discoured such as you say many of ours are Perhaps you will pretend that your Protestants are not so easily foold with false miracles as our Roman Catholiks But this must be a gift and priuilege of your priuat spirit for the Spaniards Italians and French are not by nature so dull as our Northen Protestants and are as loath to be cheated out of their moneys by Masses Miracles Pilgrimages and other pretexts of deuotion as you are And yet they belieue such Miracles as haue bin motiues for the Popes or people to Canonize our Saints and those also wherby Heathens and heretiks haue bin conuerted to our Religion Q. I doubt not Sir but that the Catholiks are as unlikely and loath to be imposed vpon as Protestants therfore I would fain heare som of those undeniable miracles