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A76962 A wise and moderate discourse, concerning church-affaires. As it was written, long since, by the famous authour of those considerations, which seem to have some reference to this. Now published for the common good. Bacon, Francis, 1561-1626. 1641 (1641) Wing B343; Thomason E205_7; ESTC R212605 16,986 49

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with a private conference of Ministers Other thinges might be spoken of I pray God inspire the Bishops with a fervent love and care of the people and that they may not so much urge thinges in controversie which all men confesse to bee gracious and good And thus much for the second part Now as to the third part of unbrotherly proceeding on either part it is directly contrary to my purpose to amplifie wrongs it is enough to note and number them which I doe also to move compassion and remorse on the offending side and not to animate chalenges and complaints on the other And this point as reason is doth chiefly touch that side which doe most Injuriae potentiorum sunt injuries come from them that have the upper hand The wrongs of them that are oppressed of the government of the Church towards the other may hardly bee dissembled or excused they have charged them as though they denied to pay tribute to Caesar and withdraw from the civill magistrate their obedience which they ever performed and taught They have sorted and coupled them with the family of Love whose heresies they have laboured to descry and confute they have been swift of credit to receive accusations against them from those that have quarrelled with them But for speaking against sin and vice their examinations and inquisitions have been streight swearing them to blanks generalities not included within the compasse of matter certaine which the party that taketh the oath is able to comprehend which is a thing captious and strainable Their urging of subscription to their owne Articles is but lacescere irritare morbos Ecclesiae which otherwise would spend and crush themselves Non consensum quaerit sed dissidium auget qui quod factis praestatur verbis exigit hee seeketh not union but division which exacteth inwardly that which men are content to yeeld in outward action And it is true there are some which as I am perswaded will not easily offend by inconformity who notwithstanding make some conscience to subscribe For they know this note of inconstancie defection from that which they have long held shall disable that good which otherwise they would do For such is the weaknesse of many that they thinke their Ministeries should thereby be discredited As for their easie silencing of them in such great scarcity of Preachers is to punish the people and not them Ought they not I meane the Bishops to keep one eye open to looke upon the good that those men do not to fix them both upon the hurt that they suppose commeth by them Indeed such as are intemperate and incorrigible God forbid they should be permitted to teach But shall every inconsiderate word sometimes captiously watched and for the most part hardly inforced be as it were a forfeiture of their voice gift in teaching As for particular molestatiōs I take no pleasure to recite thē If a minister shal be troubled for saying in Baptisme Do you believe or dost thou believe If another shal be troubled for praying for her Majesty without addition of her stiles whereas the very form of prayer in the book of Common prayer hath thy servant Elizabeth and no more If a third shall be accused upon these words uttered touching the controversies Tollatur lex fiat certamen whereby was meant that the prejudice of the law removed other reasons should be equally cōpared of calling for mutinie and sedition as if he had said Away with the Law and try it out by force If these and other like particulars be true which I have but by rumour and cannot affirme it is to bee lamented that they should labour amongst us with so little comfort I know restrained government is better then remisse And I am of his opinion that said Better it is to live where nothing is lawfull then where all things are lawfull I dislike that lawes bee contemned or disturbers unpunished But lawes are compared to the grape which being too much pressed yeeldeth an hard and unwholesome wine Of these things I may say Iram viri non operatur justitiam Dei the wrath of man worketh not the righteousnesse of God As for the injuries on the other part they are Ictus vermium as it were headlesse arrowes they are fity and eager invectives and in some fond men uncivill and unreverent behaviour towards their persons This last invention also which exposeth them to derision and obloquie by libels chargeth as I am perswaded the whole side neither doth that other which is yet more odious practised by the most sort of thē which is calling in as it were to their aid certain mercenary bands which impugned Bishops other Ecclesiasticall dignities to have the spoile of their endowments and livings Of this I cannot speake too hardly It is an intelligence between incendiaries and robbers the one to rob or fire the house the other to rifle it And thus much touching the third part The fourth part wholly pertaineth to them which repugne the present Ecclesiasticall government who although they have not cut themselves from the body and communion of the Church yet they effect certaine cognisants differences wherein they seek to correspond amongst themselves and to differ from other and it is truly said Tam sunt mores Schismatici quam dogmata Schismatica There be as well Schismaticall factions as opinions First they have impropered to themselves the names of zealous syncere reformed as if all other were cold minglers of holy things and prophane and friends of abuses Yea to be a man endued with great vertues and fruitfull in good workes yet if he concurre not fully with them they terme inderogation a civill and morall man and compare him to Socrates or some heathen Phylosopher whereas the wisedome of the Scripture teacheth us contrariwise to denominate him religious according to the workes of the second table because they of the first are often counterfeited and practised in hypocrisie So saith Saint Iohn that a man doth mainly boast of loving God whom he hath not seen if he loveth not his neighbour whom he hath seen And Saint Iames saith This is true religion to visit the fatherlesse and widow and so that which is but Phylosophicall with them is in the phrase of the Apostle true religion and Christianity As in affection they chalenge to themselves the said vertues of zeale and the rest so in knowledge they attribute to themselves light and perfection They say the Church of England in King Edwards time and the beginning of her Majesties was but in the cradle and that the Bishops of those daies did somewhat for day-breake but the maturity and fulnesse of light proceeded from themselves So Sabinus Bishop of Heraclea of Macedonia said that the Fathers in the councell of Nice were but infants and ignorant men that the Church was not so to persist in their decrees as to refuse that farther ripnesse of knowledge which the time had revealed And as