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A47846 The dissenter's sayings, in requital for L'Estrange's sayings published in their own words for the information of the people / by Roger L'Estrange. L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704. 1681 (1681) Wing L1240; ESTC R671 32,651 54

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Church to be Lawful Dangerous Pos. Lib. 2. Cap. 4. See the References Christ's Religion is fondly patcht with the Popes The Communion-Book is an imperfect Book cull'd and pick'd out of that Popish dunghil the Portuyse and Mass-book The Sacraments are wickedly mangled and profan'd They eat not the Lords Supper but play a Pageant of their own to blind the people Their Pomps Rites Laws and Traditions are Antichristian Carnal Beggarly Popish Fooleries Romish Reliques and Rags of Antichrist Dregs and Remnants of Transform'd Popery Pharisaical outward Faces and Vizzards Remnants of Romish Antichrist known Liveries of Antichrist a cursed Leaven of a cursed blasphemous Priesthood Cursed Patches of Popery and Idolatry they are worse then Lousy c. Dan. Pos. L. 2. cap. 9. The Dagon of the Bishops Service-book brake its Neck before this Ark of the Covenant Ibid. P. 66. Notes on § 4. LEt the Reader lay his hand upin his Heart here and ask himself Is this pretended Tenderness of Christianity the stile of the Gospel or no Is it the Language of the Disciples of Jesus Christ Can these People really have an Evangelical Compassion for their Brethren and at the same time fly thus in the face of Dignities and treat their Superiors at this outrageous rate Have we so learn'd Christ as to make Scurrility and Railing the Badge of our Profession They would be thought to supplicate all this while for Gentleness and Compassion And is this the way to obtain it by a Practice that is almost sufficient to turn Mercy it self into Indignation But alas their business is not to procure Favour from the Government but to expose it to Reproach And all this clutter about the Clergy is only to render them Odious and Contemptible to the People Pray'e take notice once again The stress of their Charge upon the Church is only to move the multitude against it as a Frame of Constitution that is Antichristian and Popish And yet pray mark it they do in the same breath offer Proposals of being Vnited into that Ecclesiastical Popish State Which brings the matter unavoidably to this Issue either that they do against their Consciences cast that scandal upon the Church for the Advancement of some Other Designe or else by desiring this Vnion they do acknowledge themselves willing to be Incorporate into a Popish Constitution But this Bustle about the Church you shall fee has a furthlr Prospect For these People have the Faculty of handling Religious Matters in order to Political as well as of hooking in Temporal Matters in order to Spirituals §. 5. The Dissenters Behaviour towards the Civil Government A THe King the Nobles and the Prelates are sure the Murtherers of Christ O People I will be silent Speak People and tell me what good the King has done since his Home coming M. Welsh at Sanchil in Carrit at a Conventicle And at another Conventicle thus I am confident that God will yet assert the Cause of Pentland-hills in spite of the Curates and their Masters the Prelates and in spite of the Prelates and their Master the King and in spite of the King and his Master the Devil Ravillac Redivivus Pa. 45. B Her Majesty and State do maim and deform the Body of Christ and so bid God to battel against them c. By the same authority that the Queen appoints the apparel noe appointed to the Ministers she may command any piece of Popery so she name it Policy c. The Servants of God are persecuted under her That Excommunication should not be exercis'd against Princes I utterly dislike Danger Pos. L. 2. C. 3. Cartwrights Reply Par. 2. C The State sheweth it self not upright alledge the Parliament what it will It shall be easier for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of Judgment then for such a Court. There shall not be a man of their seed that shall prosper be a Parliament-man or bear Rule in England any more None ever defended this Hierarchy of Bishops to be lawful but Papists and such as were infected with Popish Errors All the Newgates and Oldgates yea and all the Tyburns in England are too little for such rash and presumptuous Heads that will not give God leave to Rule but will take the Sceptre out of his hands I do fear that many of the forwardest Enemies of Reformation are not the backwardest Friends that the King of Spain has in England at this day Dan. Pos. L. 2. C 6. D As long as you maintain these cursed Acts of 1584 the Tyranny of Bishops c. you are a Persecutor Dan. Pos. l 1. cap. 6. E The Magistracy and Ministry walk hand in hand in the contempt of True Religion The Laws maintaining the Archbishops are no more to be accounted of then the Laws maintaining the Stews Impiety is suffer'd to bear sway against the Majesty of God and that by Law and Authority As great Indignities offer'd to Jesus Christ in committing his Church unto the Government of the Common Law as can be by mean Hirelings unto a King Ibid. l. 2. cap. 8. Come hither ye Malignant Athiests come hither gnash your teeth and let their eyes rot in their holes Bond to the Commons Oct. 8. 1645 Pa. 5. F The Kings of the Earth have given their power to Antichrist How have they earn'd their Titles Eldest Son of the Church the Catholique and most Christian King DEFENDER OF THE FAITH Do not the Kings of all these Nations stand up in the room of their Progenitors with the same implacable Enmity to the Power of the Gospel Dr. Owen Fast Serm. Apr. 19. 1649. Pa. 22. There was Corruption both in Church and Common-wealth Idols were set up in Dan and Bethel i.e. in the places of Judgment and in the House of God Burroughs on Isa. 66. v. 10. Pa. 37. The greatest blow that ever was given to Antichristian Government is that which Now it hath had Babylon is so fallen as it shall never rise again Burroughs on Isa. 66.10 Pa. 44. G. O Worm Darst thou be so Impudent to put thy self in Gods Stead to meddle with Mens Consciences and Lord it in Religious Concerns Gods Loud Call Pag. 17.1661 H. What hope that the Reformed Religion will be protected and maintained by the Son which was so irreligiously betray'd by the Father Plain English 1660. Pag. 2. I. C. S. the Son of that Murtherer is proclaimed King of England whose Throne of Iniquity is built on the Blood of pretious Saints and Martyrs Door of Hope Pag. 1.1660 The Murtherers of our Saviour were less Guilty than That Prince Case of King Charles 1648. K. Let Justice and Reason blush and Traytors and Murtherers Parricides and Patricides put on White Garments and rejoyce as Innocent Ones if This Man the Late King should escape the Hands of Justice and Punishment English Translation of the Scottish Declaration Pag. 12.1650 L. Charles the Second The Son of a Bloody Father Heir to an Entail'd Curse more certain than to his Kingdom Train'd
Sovereign And methinks it is very Vnequal for Men that give no Quarter to Loyal Subjects to stand expostulating for Privileges to Revolters Here 's King and Parliament gone at First Dash A A Confederacy Authoriz'd at Next B A Papal Dispensation from Obedience C The King and Three Estates swallowed up in the Assembly D Subjects set above the Law E The Sovereignty vested in the Multitude F Parliaments subordinated to the Kirk G The King Himself Arraign'd and Judgments denounced against him H The Judges Degraded Courts of Justice silenc'd the Rabble passing Sentence on the Supreme Magistrate Deposing of Princes Justify'd I. This is all Plain enough without Exposition But we are Now about to be yet a little Plainer Sect. 9. Principles and Positions A THe Two Houses have Legal Power to Levy Monys Arms Horse Ammunition upon the Subjects even without or against the Kings Consent and to put into safe hands such Forts Ports Magazines Ships and Power of the Militia as are intended or likely to be intended to introduce a Tyranny not only when Arms are actually raised against them but when they discern and accordingly declare a Preparation made towards it Political Catechism Page 7.1679 B A King abusing his Power to the Overthrow of Religion Laws and Liberties may be controll'd and oppos'd And if he set himself to overthrow all these by Arms then they who have Power as the Estates of a Land may and ought to Resist by Arms because he doth by That Opposition break the very Bonds and overthrow all the Essentials of this Contract and Covenant This may serve to justifie the Proceedings of This Kingdom against the late King who in a Hostile way set himself to overthrow Religion Parliaments Laws and Liberties Douglase's Coronation Serm. Page 10.1951 C The Lords and Commons are as the Master of the House Calamy's Sermon Decemb. 25. 1644. Page 22. The Parliament whom the People Chuse are the great and only Conservators of the Peoples Liberties Ibid D The Parliament of the Commonwealth of England without the King 1651. were the Supreme Authority of this Nation Jenkins's Petition Octob. 15. 1651. E The Sovereignty here among Us is in King Lords and Commons Baxter's Holy Commonwealths Page 72.1659 F The Government of England is a Mixt Monarchy and govern'd by the Major part of the Three Estates assembled in Parliament Parliament Physick for a sin-sick Nation Page 111. G The Houses are not only requisite to the acting of the Power of making Laws but Co-ordinate with His Majesty in the very power of Acting Ahabs Fall Page 42. H Resolved That in case of Extream Danger and of His Majesties Refusal the Ordinance agreed on by both Houses for the Militia doth oblige the People and ought to be obeyed by the Fundamental Laws of This Kingdom Vote of both Houses March 15. 164● Ex. Col. 112. I Resolved That when the Lords and Commons in Parliament which is the Supreme Court of Judicature in the Kingdom shall declare what the Law of the Land is to have This not only question'd and controverted but contradicted and a Command that it should not be obey'd is a high breach of the Priviledge of Parliament Ex. Col. 114. March 16. 1641. K The Lords and Commons in Parliament do declare That it is against the Laws and Liberties of the Kingdom that any of the Subjects thereof should be commanded by the King to attend Him at His Pleasure but such as are bound thereto by special Service Ex. Col. 193. May 17. 1642 L The Towns Forts Treasure Magazine Offices and the People of the Kingdom and the whole Kingdom it self is entrusted unto the King for the Good and Safety and best advantage thereof and as This Trust is for the Use of the Kingdom so ought it to be menag'd by the Advice of the Houses of Parliament whom the Kingdom hath Trusted for That purpose Third Remonstrance May 26. 1642. Ex. Col. 266. M A Parliament may dispose of any thing wherein His Majesty or His Subjects hath a Right in such a way as that the Kingdom may not be expos'd to hazard or danger thereby Ibid. 267 N The Votes of the Lords and Commons in Parliament being the great Council of the Kingdom are the REASON of the King and of the Kingdom Ibid. 278. O Supreme Head and Governour over all Persons in all Causes as it is meant of singular Persons rather than of Courts or of the Collective Body of the whole Kingdom c. And to speak properly it is only in His high Court of Parliament wherein and wherewith His Majesty hath absolutely the Supreme Power and consequently is absolutely Supreme Head and Governour from whence there is no Appeal Remonstrance May 26. 1642. Ex. Col. 703. P The Kings of This Realm ought to be very tender in denying both Houses of Parliament any thing that concerns the Publick Government and good of the Kingdom and they ought to deny themselves and their own Understandings very far before they Deny Them and that upon this ground because they lie under the Obligation of an Oath to pass such Laws if they be Just and Good for the Kingdom And it must Then be a Tender Point for a Prince to judge otherwise of those Laws that are Represented unto Him as such by the Representative Body of the whole Kingdom Ibid. Pag. 715. No Presidents can be Bounds to the Proceedings of the Parliament Ibid. Pag. 726 Q A Parliament may dispose of any thing wherein the King or any Subject hath a Right in such a way that the Kingdom may not be endanger'd thereby And if the King being humbly sought unto by His Parliament shall refuse to joyn with them In such Cases the Representative Body of the Kingdom is not to sit still and see the Kingdom perish before their Eyes and of this danger THEY are Judges and Judges Superiour to all others that Legally have any Power of Judicature in This Kingdom Ibid. No Member of either House ought to be medled withal for Treason Felony or any other Crime without the Cause first brought before Them that they may judge of the Fact and Their leave obteined to proceed Ibid. The Sovereign Power doth reside in the King and both Houses of Parliament And His Majesties Negative Voice doth not import a Liberty for His Majesty to deny any thing as He pleaseth though never so requisite and necessary for the Kingdom Ibid. 727. R When there is certain appearance or grounded suspicion that the Letter of the Law shall be improv'd against the Equity of it that is the Publique Good whether of the Body Real or Representative then the Commander going against its Equity gives Liberty to the Commanded to refuse Obedience to the Letter Ex. Col. Pag. 152. S The Clause wherein we Swear the Preservation and Defence of the Kings Person and Authority doth lye under some restreint by That limitation In the Preservation and Defence of the True Religion and Liberties of the Kingdom To
to lay the King by the Heels Let the Reader take Notice that These are not the Wild Speculations of sick-brain'd Phanatiques but Positions Rooted in the very Foundations of the Separation Subversive of the very Ordinance of Government and not only asserted by Votes and Arguments but put in practice upon the Lives and Liberties both of Prince and People Sect. 10. Tumults Encourag'd and chiefly by the Able Holy Faithful Laborious and Truly Peaceable Preachers of the Gospel Petition for Peace Pag. 4. A THe Land is sore Troubled there 's no place nor being for a faithful Minister of the Word Our Blood cryeth for Vengeance against the Bishops If This Persecution be not provided for 't is the Case of many a Thousand in England great Troubles will come of it Dan. Pos. L. 2. Cap. 10. It astonishes us to foresee what Doleful Effects our Divisions would produce Proposals Pag. 12.1661 B The Act for suppressing Conventicles is a Law dishonourable to God destructive to the Gospel and pernicious to most of the sober People of the Nation Quaeries upon the Proclamation for enforcing the Laws against Conventicles c. Pag. 12. Qu. Whether the Saints ought not to continue the assemblies of their Worship of God without or against the Consent of their Magistrates they being commanded so to do Matth. 28.18 19 20. Heb. 10.25 c. Pag. 14. C When the Ark of God is taken the Ministers of Christ are driven into Corners the Souls of our Wives and Children are in danger to miscarry Calamy's Serm. Dec. 28. 1662. Pag. 8 Where are our Moseses our Eliah's Where are those that lay to heart the danger of the Ark of God Pag. 10. It is not your Wicked Ministers that can settle the Ark It is not your Prophane Drunken Ministers No it must be your Godly Sober Pious and Religious Ministers Pag. 17 18. D That Truth for Owning of which you are put to suffer the loss of all things is that very Truth for which Christ himself suffer'd as a Martyr viz. That He was a King Yea he is a King and will be a King when You are gone and will prove himself higher than the Kings of the Earth by rescinding of Your Supremacy that Idol of his Indignation and Object of his Revenge Of a Truth Lord against thy Holy Child JESUS whom thou hast annointed are all these gathered together and it is for our owning of Him as Thy Annointed and refusing to be on that Conspiracy that we are thus used The Poor Mans Cup of Cold Water Minister'd to the Saints and Sufferers for Christ in Scotland Pag. 13.1678 E We saw the Blood of these Blessed Saints and Martyrs the Scotch Rebels of Jesus shed We saw the Frame of our Government Dissolv'd and Overturn'd We saw an Act. Recissory the Wickedness whereof reached Heaven We saw Abominable and Abjured Episcopacy re-establish'd by Law and the Faithful Ministers of Christ driven from their Flocks Thus we saw Jericho Rebuilt and so the Nation became a Curse being so deeply and so deliberately involved into the Guilt of Open Owned Avouched and by Law established Perjury Now what did we in the mean time Alas we had not the Spirit of the Day in its Day c. Poor Mans Cup Pag. 20. F Beloved Brethren Albeit God hath put and ordained distinction betwixt King and Subjects yet in hope of the Life to come he hath made all equal And therefore I say that it doth no less appertain to You to be assured that your Faith and Religion be grounded and established upon the True and Undoubted Word of God than to your Princes or Rulers And to You it doth no less appertain than to your King or Princes to provide that Christ Jesus be truly Preach'd amongst you Jus Populi Pag. 215. G They Deifie a Creature and renounce their Homage to the King of Kings and so provoke him to destroy both Them and their King by their Apostacy and wicked Defection and that openly before Men and Angels as David hanged up the Sons of Saul before the Sun And then they need not fear either Dag or Dagger Pistol or Poyson'd Ponyard Ibid. Pag. 414. H Come my Brethren I say and fear not to take this Agag Prelacy I mean not the Prelates and hew it to pieces before the Lord. Case's Covenant Renew'd Pag. 51. I Down with Baal's Altars down with Baal's Priests c. Salwey's Sermon to the Commons Octob. 25. 1643. Pag. 19. K I may truly say as the Martyr did That if I had as many Lives as Hairs on my Head I would be willing to sacrifice all those Lives in this Cause Mr. Calamy's Speech at Guildhal Octob. 6. 1643. L Let no Law hinder you Si jus violandum c. And if Law be to be broken it is for a Crown and therefore for Religion Simpson on Prov. 8.15.16 Pag. 23. You are set over Kingdoms to root out pull down destroy and throw down do it quickly do it throughly Ibid. Pag. 24. M Who were they but the poorer and meaner sort of People that at the first joyn'd with the Ministers to raise the Building of Reformation Marshal's Serm. June 15. 1643. Pag. 15. N Here is an extraordinary appearance of so many Ministers to encourage you in This Cause that you may see how real the Godly Ministry in England is unto This Cause Calamy's Speech at Guild-hall Octob. 6. 1643. O To You of the Honourable House Up for the Matter belongs to You We even all the Godly Ministers of the Country will be with You. Faircloth to the Commons on Josh. 7.25 Pag. 29. Let not the Pretence of Peace and Unity cool your Fervour or make you spare to oppose your selves unto those idle and Idolized Ceremonies against which we dispute Dispute against English-Popish Ceremonies Pag. 11. P A Word to the People Are Magistrates your Servants Then learn to be Wise and know your Priviledges for time to come and be not frighted out of your Right and Reason at once by those Traytors and Rebels who would make you believe that it is Treason and Rebellion to call Them to account for the Treason and Rebellion they are Guilty of Mene Tekel Pag. 41. Parliaments are the Peoples Servants The King Judges Justices Mayors Constables and all other Magistrates or Officers are our Servants to protect us and secure us from Violence and Oppression If they break their Trust and Oppress us the Law of God and Nature allows us to call our Servants to account punish them according to their Deserts and turn them out of our Service Ibid. Alas poor England thy Shepherds are become Robbers thy Princes within thee are Roaring Lions thy Judges are Ravening Wolves c. Pag. 46. What Authority had a Parliament to give away our Birth-Rights to enslave the Corporations and Counties that sent them up to assert their Freedoms and to expose us to the Lusts of Wicked Oppressors to give away the Militia of the Land to the King