answer_v sect._n 28._o yet_o i_o have_v think_v fit_a to_o make_v this_o further_a examination_n of_o it_o to_o the_o question_n then_o where_o be_v your_o church_n before_o luther_n d._n lawd_n answer_v where_o we_o be_v now_o answ_n if_o by_o we_o he_o mean_v the_o particular_a church_n of_o rome_n i_o must_v confess_v his_o answer_n to_o be_v true_a for_o the_o particular_a church_n of_o rome_n be_v a_o part_n or_o member_n of_o the_o roman_a catholic_a church_n and_o so_o be_v you_o before_o luther_n but_o with_o he_o you_o have_v apostatise_v and_o be_v fall_v into_o schism_n and_o he_o resie_n and_o instead_o of_o a_o church_n you_o be_v become_v a_o heretical_a and_o schismatical_a congregation_n luther_n forsake_v the_o whole_a church_n and_o those_o that_o soon_o after_o his_o apostasy_n adhere_v to_o his_o heresy_n follow_v he_o also_o in_o his_o apostasy_n they_o have_v be_v all_o member_n of_o that_o church_n which_o luther_n have_v forsake_v but_o this_o you_o will_v say_v be_v no_o separation_n but_o a_o reformation_n for_o that_o d._n lawd_n drive_v at_o one_o and_o the_o same_o church_n still_o say_v he_o one_o in_o substance_n but_o not_o one_o in_o condition_n of_o state_n and_o purity_n your_o part_n of_o the_o same_o church_n by_o your_o part_n he_o mean_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n remain_v in_o corruption_n and_o our_o part_n of_o the_o same_o church_n under_o reformation_n good_a god_n how_o can_v any_o society_n of_o man_n profess_v themselves_o christian_n be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o church_n and_o that_o in_o substante_fw-la with_o that_o from_o which_o they_o separate_v both_o in_o faith_n and_o communion_n or_o what_o can_v be_v a_o separation_n if_o this_o be_v not_o if_o you_o have_v not_o separate_v yourselves_o from_o the_o catholic_a church_n than_o be_v the_o arrian_n nestorian_n macedontans_n pelagian_o etc._n etc._n no_o heretic_n neither_o be_v they_o separate_v from_o the_o catholic_a church_n but_o be_v only_o under_o reformation_n do_v not_o you_o oppose_v and_o deny_v doctrine_n of_o faith_n as_o ancient_o and_o as_o universal_o receive_v by_o the_o church_n as_o those_o that_o the_o arrian_n nestorian_n macedonian_n pelagian_o etc._n etc._n oppose_v and_o deny_v what_o difference_n can_v you_o make_v between_o arrius_n and_o luther_n in_o respect_n of_o their_o apostasy_n do_v not_o luther_n set_v himself_o against_o the_o whole_a world_n as_o well_o as_o arrius_n do_v not_o the_o whole_a christian_a world_n beside_o yourselves_o upon_o your_o first_o reformation_n as_o you_o call_v it_o detest_v your_o new_a doctrine_n and_o abhor_v your_o communion_n do_v not_o the_o pretend_a greek_a church_n itself_o into_o who_o communion_n you_o be_v petitioner_n to_o be_v admit_v condemn_v your_o new_a doctrine_n as_o heretical_a and_o refuse_v to_o receive_v you_o into_o their_o communion_n read_v the_o book_n entitle_v censura_fw-la orientalis_n ecclesiae_fw-la and_o you_o shall_v there_o find_v the_o greek_a church_n maintain_v and_o that_o against_o the_o protestant_n the_o doctrine_n of_o seven_o sacrament_n cap._n 7._o of_o transubstantiation_n and_o real_a presence_n of_o christ_n body_n in_o the_o bless_a sacrarmenâ—_n c._n 10._o of_o auricular_a confession_n c._n 11._o of_o the_o unbloudy_a propitiatory_a sacrifice_n of_o the_o mass_n c._n 13._o of_o free_a will_n c._n 18._o of_o tradition_n c._n 20._o of_o invocation_n of_o saint_n and_o veneration_n of_o image_n c._n 21._o be_v there_o any_o one_o man_n in_o the_o whole_a world_n that_o profess_v your_o foctrine_n before_o luther_n and_o yet_o forsooth_o you_o be_v no_o separation_n from_o the_o catholic_a church_n but_o a_o reformation_n a_o bless_a reformation_n that_o must_v necessary_o justify_v all_o former_a heresy_n that_o ever_o be_v condemn_v and_o all_o heretic_n and_o schismatic_n that_o ever_o separate_v themselves_o from_o god_n church_n to_o say_v no_o more_o where_o be_v your_o succession_n of_o bishop_n and_o pastor_n which_o be_v essential_a to_o god_n church_n if_o the_o consecration_n of_o your_o pretend_a bishop_n be_v never_o valid_a then_o must_v also_o the_o ordination_n of_o your_o pretend_a priest_n be_v invalid_a and_o it_o never_o yet_o can_v nor_o ever_o can_v appear_v that_o you_o have_v either_o bishop_n consecrate_v or_o priest_n ordain_v either_o lawful_o or_o valid_o since_o queen_n marye'_v day_n but_o i_o be_o sure_a there_o be_v most_o strong_a and_o pregnant_a argument_n for_o the_o contrary_n i_o deny_v not_o but_o that_o perchance_o there_o may_v be_v some_o priest_n ordain_v valid_o though_o sacrilegious_o by_o that_o apostate_n bishop_n of_o spalleto_n in_o the_o time_n of_o his_o stay_n in_o england_n but_o what_o be_v that_o to_o a_o succession_n of_o priest_n and_o bishop_n i_o have_v now_o do_v with_o the_o first_o answer_n and_o pass_v to_o the_o second_o which_o because_o i_o find_v to_o consist_v principal_o of_o scurrilitye_n personal_a and_o malicious_a invective_n and_o repetition_n of_o former_a fallacy_n my_o reply_n will_v be_v the_o short_a since_o i_o shall_v in_o many_o thing_n refer_v the_o reader_n to_o my_o former_a answer_n and_o take_v notice_n here_o only_o of_o that_o which_o i_o shall_v find_v to_o be_v new_a matter_n 50._o and_o here_o at_o the_o very_a first_o entrance_n i_o meet_v with_o a_o old_a fallacy_n a_o ridiculous_a argument_n already_o answer_v sect._n 5._o to_o which_o i_o must_v refer_v the_o reader_n i_o will_v here_o add_v this_o only_a that_o before_o s._n peter_n translate_v his_o chair_n from_o antioch_n to_o rome_n the_o catholic_a church_n may_v be_v proper_o call_v the_o church_n of_o antioch_n which_o ever_o since_o have_v be_v call_v the_o roman_a church_n and_o ever_o will_v be_v until_o s._n peter_n successor_n shall_v translate_v his_o chair_n to_o some_o other_o place_n 51._o after_o this_o follow_v a_o most_o notorious_a falsehood_n viz._n that_o in_o the_o time_n of_o s._n hilary_n of_o poicteurs_n there_o be_v at_o rome_n no_o church_n no_o communion_n of_o saint_n she_o and_o those_o in_o communion_n with_o she_o be_v heretical_a and_o comply_v with_o arrius_n this_o be_v most_o apparent_o false_a by_o the_o record_n of_o all_o history_n for_o at_o that_o time_n the_o western_a church_n be_v nothing_o so_o much_o infect_v with_o arrianism_n as_o the_o eastern_a beside_o s._n hilary_n in_o that_o place_n by_o you_o cite_v sect._n â—3_n have_v not_o so_o much_o as_o name_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o therefore_o have_v not_o in_o particular_a exclude_v it_o from_o the_o catholic_a church_n but_o from_o those_o word_n of_o the_o father_n caeteris_fw-la extra_fw-la gallias_n you_o will_v prove_v that_o all_o the_o world_n beside_o france_n be_v out_o of_o the_o catholic_a church_n for_o say_v you_o there_o be_v then_o no_o communion_n with_o rome_n unless_o it_o can_v be_v prove_v that_o rome_n be_v in_o france_n sect._n 23._o but_o pray_v tell_v i_o doctor_n be_v alexandria_n and_o sardinia_n more_o in_o france_n than_o rome_n and_o yet_o you_o here_o confess_v that_o at_o the_o very_a same_o time_n those_o be_v catholic_a and_o orthodox_n church_n so_o that_o it_o must_v necessary_o follow_v either_o that_o alexandria_n and_o sardinia_n be_v in_o france_n or_o else_o that_o some_o other_o church_n beside_o france_n be_v catholic_a and_o orthodox_n and_o if_o so_o why_o not_o rome_n especial_o since_o that_o father_n do_v not_o in_o particular_a charge_n rome_n with_o arrianism_n more_o than_o alexandria_n and_o sardinia_n so_o that_o if_o you_o by_o those_o general_a word_n of_o the_o father_n will_v exclude_v rome_n i_o may_v also_o as_o well_o exclude_v alexandria_n and_o sardinia_n from_o the_o catholic_a church_n wherefore_o you_o have_v force_v yourself_o to_o interpret_v those_o word_n of_o the_o father_n as_o i_o have_v do_v sect._n 34._o or_o else_o you_o must_v unsay_v what_o you_o have_v say_v and_o deny_v alexandria_n and_o sardinia_n to_o have_v be_v at_o that_o time_n catholic_a and_o orthodox_n church_n unless_o you_o can_v prove_v that_o alexandria_n and_o sardinia_n be_v in_o france_n 52._o hitherto_o than_o you_o have_v show_v no_o church_n at_o all_o distinct_a from_o the_o roman_a church_n in_o any_o age_n though_o you_o be_v please_v to_o say_v sect._n 3._o of_o this_o second_o answer_n that_o your_o learning_n be_v such_o that_o you_o do_v know_v such_o a_o church_n and_o your_o charity_n such_o that_o you_o have_v show_v it_o it_o seem_v you_o show_v it_o so_o well_o that_o m._n t._n b._n be_v thereby_o full_o satisfy_v that_o the_o catholic_a church_n never_o be_v nor_o can_v be_v distinct_a from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o have_v thereupon_o embrace_v her_o communion_n and_o be_v by_o god_n grace_n become_v a_o good_a catholic_a thus_o have_v god_n be_v please_v to_o produce_v good_a out_o of_o evil_a to_o work_v his_o happiness_n out_o of_o your_o
there_o be_v not_o than_o we_o â—ob_v they_o at_o the_o most_o but_o of_o the_o sign_n or_o figure_n of_o christ_n blood_n neither_o indeed_o be_v it_o in_o the_o power_n of_o the_o priest_n or_o church_n to_o rob_v they_o of_o that_o for_o if_o the_o cup_n after_o consecration_n be_v but_o a_o bare_a sign_n or_o figure_n of_o christ_n blood_n still_o retain_v its_o former_a nature_n and_o substance_n of_o wine_n then_o may_v any_o one_o in_o spite_n of_o the_o priest_n or_o church_n take_v a_o cup_n of_o wine_n when_o and_o where_o he_o please_v and_o make_v it_o to_o himself_o a_o sign_n of_o christ_n blood_n and_o so_o it_o may_v be_v to_o he_o as_o perfect_v a_o sacrament_n as_o if_o receive_v it_o from_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o priest_n perchance_o you_o will_v say_v it_o be_v not_o a_o sign_n but_o by_o virtue_n of_o consecration_n this_o may_v be_v easy_o say_v but_o can_v you_o prove_v it_o out_o oâ—_n scripture_n which_o you_o make_v the_o sole_a rule_n of_o your_o faith_n if_o you_o can_v then_o will_v i_o subscribe_v to_o your_o opinion_n if_o not_o as_o i_o be_o most_o certain_a you_o can_v then_o according_a to_o your_o own_o principle_n neither_o you_o nor_o i_o nor_o any_o man_n else_o be_v bind_v to_o believe_v it_o 20._o but_o here_o i_o meet_v with_o two_o authority_n out_o of_o s._n cyprian_n to_o prove_v that_o none_o can_v be_v fit_a for_o martyrdom_n that_o communicate_v not_o under_o the_o species_n of_o wine_n as_o well_o as_o of_o bread_n certain_o the_o doctor_n to_o say_v no_o worse_o misunderstand_v s._n cyprian_n for_o he_o be_v too_o great_a a_o scholar_n to_o maintain_v so_o false_a and_o ridiculous_a a_o doctrine_n his_o word_n in_o the_o first_o place_n cite_v by_o the_o doctor_n be_v these_o quomodo_fw-la ad_fw-la martyrii_fw-la pâ—culum_fw-la idoneos_fw-la facimus_fw-la si_fw-la non_fw-la eos_fw-la ad_fw-la bibendum_fw-la priùs_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la poculum_fw-la domini_fw-la jure_fw-la communicationis_fw-la admittimus_fw-la 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this_o will_n most_o plain_o appear_v to_o any_o one_o that_o shall_v impartial_o â—ead_a that_o epistle_n all_o that_o can_v possible_o be_v prove_v out_o of_o those_o word_n be_v that_o in_o some_o place_n in_o or_o about_o the_o time_n of_o s._n cyprian_n the_o laity_n weâ—â—_n admit_v to_o communicate_v under_o both_o kind_n which_o not_o catholic_a ever_o deny_v or_o question_v and_o that_o it_o be_v a_o custom_n even_o in_o s._n cyprian_n time_n to_o administer_v the_o communion_n in_o one_o kind_n only_o may_v easy_o be_v prove_v from_o those_o two_o miracle_n record_v by_o the_o same_o father_n serm._n de_fw-fr lapsis_fw-la to_o which_o i_o refer_v the_o reader_n the_o other_o place_n cite_v out_o of_o s._n cyprian_n have_v these_o word_n quomodo_fw-la possumus_fw-la propter_fw-la christum_fw-la sanguinem_fw-la fundere_fw-la qui_fw-la sanguinâ—_fw-la christi_fw-la crubescimus_fw-la bibere_fw-la lib._n 2._o ep._n 3_o answ_n these_o word_n i_o confess_v be_v s._n cyprian_n but_o 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the_o faith_n of_o christ_n but_o there_o be_v not_o one_o word_n in_o that_o whole_a epistle_n concern_v receive_v the_o sacrament_n under_o one_o or_o both_o species_n 21._o now_o to_o pass_v by_o divers_a impertinency_n and_o such_o thing_n as_o have_v be_v already_o answer_v let_v we_o come_v to_o the_o doctor_n master-argument_n for_o doubtless_o he_o esteem_v it_o so_o otherwise_o he_o will_v not_o so_o much_o have_v insist_v upon_o it_o and_o repeat_v it_o so_o often_o which_o to_o set_v forth_o in_o its_o full_a lustre_n he_o have_v at_o last_o adventure_v on_o this_o syllogism_n if_o you_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v at_o any_o time_n deny_v jesus_n christ_n to_o be_v the_o true_a god_n and_o eternal_a life_n you_o be_v at_o that_o time_n no_o church_n but_o a_o anti-christian_n synagogue_n but_o this_o do_v marcellinus_n and_o liberius_n and_o jo._n 22._o all_o bishop_n of_o rome_n ergo_fw-la in_o those_o time_n you_o be_v no_o church_n but_o a_o anti-christian_n 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against_o the_o arrian_n and_o that_o faelix_fw-la be_v appoint_v to_o succeed_v he_o in_o the_o papacy_n who_o be_v arrianae_n sectae_fw-la addictus_fw-la but_o there_o be_v not_o one_o word_n there_o of_o rome_n be_v arrian_n socrat._v li._n 2._o c._n â—9_n and_o if_o faelix_fw-la do_v perchance_o sometime_o favour_v the_o arrian_n faction_n yet_o be_v it_o before_o he_o be_v elect_v pope_n not_o afterward_o as_o appear_v plain_o by_o sozomen_n in_o the_o very_a place_n by_o you_o cite_v li._n 4._o c._n 10._o liberius_n ecclesiae_fw-la romanae_fw-la episcopatu_fw-la privatus_fw-la est_fw-la cvi_fw-la praefuïtur_fw-la faelix_fw-la illius_fw-la cleri_fw-la diaconus_fw-la quem_fw-la aiunt_fw-la fidei_fw-la concilii_fw-la nicaeni_n semper_fw-la consensisse_fw-la &_o omnino_fw-la quantum_fw-la pertinebat_fw-la ad_fw-la religionem_fw-la reprehensione_n caruisse_fw-la liberius_n say_v he_o be_v deprive_v of_o the_o bishopric_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n to_o which_o faelix_fw-la a_o 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