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A45828 A peaceable enquiry into that novel controversie about reordination With certain close, but candid animadversions upon an ingenious tract for the lawfulness of reordination; written by the learned and Reverend Mr. J. Humphrey. By R.I. I. R. 1661 (1661) Wing I10A; ESTC R219975 68,572 176

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ordinance_n be_v ordination_n in_o reference_n to_o the_o ordain_v be_v no_o ordinance_n be_v reordination_n oh_o then_o consider_v i_o beseech_v you_o what_o sad_a work_n you_o make_v with_o christ_n ordinance_n the_o same_o act_n must_v be_v a_o ordinance_n and_o no_o ordinance_n at_o your_o pleasure_n the_o nature_n end_n and_o use_n must_v all_o be_v change_v to_o serve_v your_o turn_n as_o if_o it_o be_v like_o the_o chameleon_n that_o can_v change_v its_o colour_n to_o suit_v every_o approach_a object_n the_o latter_a part_n of_o this_o argument_n from_o the_o abuse_n the_o ordinance_n be_v use_v by_o that_o learned_a estius_n porro_fw-la apud_fw-la veteres_fw-la say_v he_o apertissimè_fw-la de_fw-la hoc_fw-la sacramento_n i_o e._n ordinis_fw-la scripsit_fw-la augustinus_n pluribus_fw-la locis_fw-la 14._o in_o senten_a come_v l._n 4._o in_o distinct_a 24._o p._n 14._o unus_fw-la locus_fw-la est_fw-la l._n 2._o contra_fw-la epist_n parm._n c._n 13._o ubi_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la ordinationis_fw-la cum_fw-la sacramento_n baptismi_fw-la ita_fw-la comparat_fw-la ut_fw-la dicat_fw-la utrumque_fw-la &_o sacramentum_fw-la esse_fw-la &c_n &c_n quadam_fw-la consecratione_fw-la homini_fw-la dari_fw-la illud_fw-la cum_fw-la baptizatur_fw-la istud_fw-la cum_fw-la ordinatur_fw-la adeo_fw-la neutrum_fw-la repetendum_fw-la esse_fw-la ne_fw-la sacramento_n fiat_fw-la injuria_fw-la 2._o whether_o be_v this_o second_o ordination_n to_o some_o end_n or_o to_o no_o end_n if_o to_o no_o end_n than_o you_o take_v a_o ordinance_n of_o god_n if_o i_o may_v so_o call_v it_o in_o vain_a and_o so_o the_o name_n of_o god_n in_o vain_a and_o so_o you_o break_v the_o three_o commandment_n if_o to_o some_o end_n then_o either_o to_o convey_v authority_n or_o some_o other_o not_o to_o convey_v authority_n for_o that_o be_v do_v already_o and_o so_o you_o do_v but_o actum_fw-la agere_fw-la which_o be_v absurd_a say_v mr._n humf._n a_o vain_a and_o needless_a work_n say_v i_o and_o so_o you_o 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