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england_n	bishop_n	church_n	succession_n	2,569	5	10.4652	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A45320	A survay of that foolish, seditious, scandalous, prophane libell, the protestation protested.	Hall, Joseph, 1574-1656.	1641 (1641)	Wing H418; ESTC R533	36,914	52

reverend Cobler or inspired Button maker did the same give me leave to remember you here of the late schisme of your congregation at Rotterd 〈◊〉 they upon debate were divided in two bodies each of them was the supreame Church of God upon earth and each of them gave commission to an honest Weaver to excommunicate the other this cannot but please you well though your discipline cannot because there is neither reason nor order in it I thinke it strange that you who deny all outward calling except that from the people should think the Curates None of the Ministers of Christ in that they derive their ministery from the Antichristian Hierarchy if no orders be necessary sure a mistake of orders cannot be much prejudiciall Hence let the world judge how both these mal●cious factions spend their fury upon the Church of England the papists object that shee hath for feited her ordination you that she hath one but the papists they tell us we are noe Church because we want a Priesthoood you because we have one They will here of none but a Monarchicall subjection you doe establish a democracy in the Church or an anarchy rather they complain of perjury because we refuse to maintain their orders as if who amongst them had sworne canonicall obedience to a heriticall Bishop were obliged to be a heretike you of the want of purity because we doe not renounce all continuation and orders of the Church In spight of you both she shall still maintaine a visible succession in the mi●istery from the very Apostles times may not the Church of Rome though in her old age more faulty give baptisme and may not this warrant the derivation of our orders from her first and better times but I crave you mercy Sir this argument do●h not concerne you who not after the Church of Rome only but also in the Church of England doe rebaptize You frame here an objection to your self concerning the antiquity of Arch-Bishops Dio●esan Bishops this you adde to distinguish them from these of the late edition for parishes and how doe you answer it First you tell us they were not knowne by the primitive Fathers but this is as grosse as to say the primitive fathers did not know themselves whom we undoubtedly know by a morall beliefe to have beene Bishops as we doe that the Saxons did here succeed the Britaines scarce a leafe in the Councels Fathers and Church histories that doth not speake this for us Secondly you tell us that government was corrupt even from the well-head but since I have proved to you that this was Christ the Apostles you will venture upon I hope you will mend your expression and retire Thirdly you will have this government a● limbe of papacy and I dare boldly-say it there is nothing more destructive of it for to maintaine that every Bishop is de jure divin● as you in the same place grant that the present bishops of England do is 〈◊〉 only to deny all dependence from Rome but to give her her deaths wound by lopping of the prerogative whereby she subsists for by vertue of this 〈…〉 come to her dispensations from her exemptions of 〈◊〉 and religious houses the maine pillers which if the bishops of Europe by man-seeming there office to be de jure divino would challeng as an usurpation her borrowed fathers might perhaps returne home to the first own 〈◊〉 You say the Pope and the Bishops of England hold their authority by the 〈…〉 ●amely from Christ so I hope duth the meanest 〈◊〉 sweeper amongst you his calling to preach to expound scri●pture to give the Sacraments and yet will be oftended if you think him or his argument popish though the Pope of Rome doe the very same here like your selfe that is a very compound of absurdity and boldnesse you mention Doctor Hall and his learned paines out upon thee for a fool and a babler The workes of that reverend p●infull and judicious bishop shall be entertained by the posterity with app●obation and thankfulnesse when the better times shal ●isse thee and thy associat● out of the Church the quintessence of you al do come short to the meanest croatchet of his learning judgement integrity eloquence nor shall these your calumnies be ought els to him but stig●ata Laudis cicatrices to testifie his conscience and resolution who had the courage to set his face against you the Amalakites when others turned the backe For 〈◊〉 his very citation refutes you you say he failes in that he cannot prove Romes succession from Peter and yet you have said his assertion is that he proved Saint Gregoryes succession from Peter But I forgive you you knew not before now 〈…〉 it that Gregori● was bishop of Rome Now what if I should teach you that we in the Church of England perhaps have neither Christianity nor sacred orders from Rome s●re the first we had not for by the observation of Easter according to the tradition of the Easterne Church To let the tale of Simon Zelotes and Ioseph of Aramathe● passe it is most probable this Kingdome had the blessing of the Gospell from the Disciples of Iohn if after the Saxon devastation we were restored by Rome in some parts of the Iland the Northerns at the same time were converted to the faith by bishop Aydanus from Scotland as Beda mentions Lib. 3. Cap. 3. But this discourse is not for you who in the preceeding page hath prophainly called the Ministry it selfe a pe●ce of Popery whether from Rome or not is all one to you such is your superlative hatred against all order Give me leave here to slip out of the way and meet with a friend of yours the Author of The petition for Bishops examined this man tells us our Arch-Bishops and Bishops were substituted to the places of the Ar●hflamins Flamins of the heathens this is a now conceit that bishops are not from the new but old Rome not Antichristian but heathenish Here for all the grace you bragg of you may learne of nature that not the least shew of religion except this mad one of yours can subsist without 〈◊〉 cement this harmony the subordination in its office-betrers But will he have the Bishops heathenish 〈…〉 joy the roomes designed for the residence of the Flamins and are we not all Papists yea Pagans because such did once inhabit this kingdome Now I smel out the reason why you perswade so vehemently the pulling downe of Churches it is because of some inherent wickednesse in the place He saies further that the first foure or five hundred years there was Bishops in Scotland but that as he cites Ioannes Maior communi Monachorū regebantur Concilio but their histories are there for it that Amphibalus was Bishop in the Isle of Man An. 237. and for some 100 of yeares after the Monkes were not so much as reckoned among the clergy much lesse had they dominion over them In the close of