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A51738 The considerations which oblig'd Peter Manby dean of London-dery, to embrace the Roman Catholic religion humbly dedicated to His Grace the Lord Primate of Ireland. Manby, Peter, d. 1697. 1687 (1687) Wing M384; ESTC R7924 16,848 24

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habitant_fw-la in_o domo_fw-la tuâ_fw-la in_fw-la saecula_fw-la saeculorum_fw-la laudabunt_fw-la te_fw-la amen_n psal_n 84._o p_o s_o if_o any_o protestant_a reader_n instead_o of_o a_o material_a answer_n to_o this_o discourse_n shall_v think_v fit_a to_o revile_v the_o author_n it_o be_v but_o what_o i_o expect_v and_o what_o i_o intend_v to_o take_v no_o notice_n of_o but_o i_o entreat_v he_o to_o read_v the_o follow_a query_n without_o his_o spectacle_n of_o prejudice_n and_o interest_n dubia_fw-la quaedam_fw-la super_fw-la reformatione_fw-la anglicanâ_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la anglicana_n vel_fw-la est_fw-la tota_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la catholica_fw-la vel_fw-la membrum_fw-la illius_fw-la si_fw-la membrum_fw-la duntaxat_fw-la ostende_v mihi_fw-la sub_fw-la sole_a ecclesiam_fw-la vel_fw-la coetum_fw-la cujus_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la amplectitur_fw-la nisi_fw-la sit_fw-la à_fw-la reliquo_fw-la corpore_fw-la absc●ssum_fw-la num_fw-la recipit_fw-la sacramenta_fw-la lutheranorum_n vel_fw-la calvinistarum_fw-la vnde_fw-la missas_fw-la est_fw-la cranmerus_fw-la primus_fw-la ille_fw-la reformator_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la anglicana_n quis_fw-la misit_fw-la illum_fw-la ad_fw-la praedicandum_fw-la evangelium_fw-la