license_v june_n the_o one_a 1687._o a_o answer_n to_o the_o consideration_n which_o oblige_v peter_n manby_n late_a dean_n of_o london-derry_n in_o ireland_n as_o he_o pretend_v to_o embrace_v what_o he_o call_v the_o catholic_n religion_n by_o william_n king_n chancellor_z of_o st._n patrick_n dublin_n isaiah_n 1._o 2._o i_o have_v nourish_v and_o bring_v up_o child_n and_o they_o have_v rebel_v against_o i_o london_n print_v for_o r._n taylor_n near_o stationers-hall_n 1687._o the_o content_n chap._n 1._o the_o examination_n of_o his_o preface_n sect._n 1_o the_o introduction_n sect._n 2._o whether_o mr._n m._n real_o desire_v the_o information_n sect._n 3_o catholic_n church_n define_v s._n 4._o answer_v to_o his_o first_o question_n what_o church_n mean_v by_o the_o catholic_n s._n 5._o to_o his_o second_o question_n whether_o the_o church_n of_o england_n s._n 6._o to_o his_o three_o question_n with_o what_o other_o church_n she_o communicate_v s._n 7._o to_o his_o four_o 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