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A26183	A seasonable vindication of the truly catholick doctrine of the Church of England in reply to Dr. Sherlock's answer to Anonymus his three letters concerning church-communion.	Atwood, William, d. 1705?	1683 (1683)	Wing A4182; ESTC R7909	57,215	86

part of the Catholick Church Is Christ's Body made up only of sound Members Are all that are unsound divided from the Body But if a true Member be of the Body as well as that which is sound do not you by refusing to communicate with any true Member upon your own Principles refuse to be of the Body especially when the only Unsoundness is that it differs by reason of some Accidentals from that Church where you exercise the Acts of Catholick Communion And it might be well to know whether you own that there is any sound Church besides the Church of England with which you can communicate how much soever you talk of Catholick Communion Or at least whether you are not Schismatical in dividing from some true Churches And may not you be charged with denying the very Notion of a Catholick Church and asserting that Christ has not one but twenty or a hundred several Bodies But whereas you affirm that he who divides from one sound Part divides from all is it not rather demonstrable that he who communicates with one sound Part or one true Part communicates with all as being united to Christ's Body As he that touches a Man's Finger touches his Body but it does not follow that one cannot touch his Body unless he touch his Finger But since you are so fond of this Notion give me leave to turn your own Artillery upon you and if you have condemned your self or the Church in which you live of Schism and dividing from Christ's Body you may thank your self If it follows from the Identity of Christ's Body that whoever is divided from any sound Member is divided from the whole being that Member is united to the Body so it must necessarily be if you divide from any true Member unless a true Member is no Member And you your self being sensible of this have taught that 't is absurd to gather a Church out of a Christian Church and divide Neighbour-Christians into distinct Communions Nay you left your self no possible Evasion when you affirmed that the only thing that can give us in particular a Right to the Blessings of the Covenant is that we observe the Conditions of this Covenant and live in Vnity and Communion with all true Christian Churches in the World If therefore there be any true Christian Church with which you refuse to communicate have you not made a good Rod for your own Back The Church of Rome as you own is a true tho a corrupt Church but you I suppose refuse to communicate with this true Church are you not therefore cut off from Christ's Body You will say perhaps you cannot communicate but upon sinful Terms But what 's that to the purpose If this is stil a true Church and Member of Christ's Body you know Christ has but one Body one Spouse one Flock one Church And if we be no Members of this one Church we are not united to Christ The Parts of this Body must be united to each other that they may be united to Christ else it would be as if the Parts of the natural Body should divide from each other and hang together by a magical kind of Vnion with the Soul AndVnion to the Body consists in being united to that part of the Body which is next You have foreclosed your self from saying that you are united in what is essential to its being a Member of Christ's Body and have a participation of the same vital Heat and animal Spirits but think it hard that one Member should be charged with the putrid Sores or Wounds of another and to speak plainly that you forsake it only in its Uncatholick Terms This would come too nigh that very Fanaticism which you deride And you having told us that a Compliance with the Order Government Discipline and Worship as well as the Doctrine of the Catholick Church is absolutely necessary to Catholick Communion 'T is upon your own Grounds necessary to comply with every true part of the Catholick Church in all these as well as with every sound Part. Wherefore might not the Papists beat you into their Church with those Weapons which you have forg'd against others Might not they tell you that you want Christian Charity unless you are united in one Communion with this one Body That you want the chief Branch of Holiness without which none shall see God That all the Blessings of the Gospel are promised to us in a Church-State That the Effects and Application of the Grace Merit and Satisfaction of Christ Jesus is confined to this Body consisting of Members sound and unsound That the Gospel-Covenant is confin'd to the Communion of the Christian Church That to remit Sins is to restore Men to the Peace and Communion of the Church and to retain them is to cast Men out of the Church or keep them under Church-Censures which is a plain Demonstration that Sins are forgiven only in the Communion of the Church But yet further 't is a Question whether you are in Communion even with every Church which requires nothing sinful as a Term of its Communion and is upon that account sound and Orthodox You say indeed you should make no scruple to communicate with the Lutheran Church if it did not require of you the Belief of Consubstantiation Yet certainly you did not attend to your own Grounds when you said so For if that be not in Communion with our Church you know you would be a Schismatick if you communicated with it But that their Church is not in Communion with ours appears upon your own Rule for that the Governors are not in Communion with each other which you make essential to the Communion of particular Churches And for this 't is not necessary to shew that the Governors of each side condemn the others Constitution 'T is enough if the Governors of that Church which you are of do condemn the Constitution of the other or of any part of it You say indeed that our Church is so far from condemning Foreign Reformed Churches for the want of Bishops that it has always lived in Communion with them If this be so then as a Bishop in the same Communion with us might with the leave of English Bishops exercise his Episcopal Office in any Church in England so might a Protestant Minister ordained abroad without Episcopal Ordination But I take it you will not say that he may If he may not this is a condemning with a witness For if any of them have no Orders amongst them where is their regular Church-Society Nay as you believe the Right of Episcopal Government 't is questionable whether you do Divine not deny that such have any proper Church-Officers And further that you may not take the Difference about the Constitution of Churches or the Validity of a particular kind of Ordination to be meerly between the Bishops of our Church and the

should be Schismaticks and cut off from his Body meerly for disobeying Additions the Authority of which they soberly dispute You say in one part of your Answer to me That whatever Variety and Difference in the Rules of Worship is consistent with one Communion may be granted when the Prudence of Governours sees it fit and expedient Where as you condemn such Indulgence as is inconsistent with one Communion it may be thought to be equally conclusive against the Imposition of any Thing inconsistent with one Communion or the great Law of Catholick Communion And when you confess that the Government of the Church since the Apostles Days was never so entirely in the Bishop's Breast that what he did should be thought the Act of the Church any further than he complied with those Laws by which the Church was to be governed You having likewise set aside the Civil Authority and admitted that Dissenters have sufficient Church-Power amongst them I again ask How they can be Schismaticks for dividing from the Bishops upon the account of suspected Rites and Ceremonies which they believe not to agree with those Laws by which the Charch was to be governed as being greatly prejudicial to if not inconsistent with one Communion And I would willingly be satisfied how you can bring within the foregoing Rules what you assert but within three Pages where having held that there was no Schism between the Latin and Asian Churches yet you will have it that private Christians at Rome could not receive the Asians into the Communion of the Church without the Bishop's Authority But to word this Matter according to your Hypothesis Tho Conformity to the Church of England that is Obedience to the Church-Governours the Bishops is not essential to the Vnity of the Catholick Church yet it is for all that live here I should have been contented to have the Controversy confin'd to Persons living here but that you tempt me further You say indeed That Christians who live under the Government and Jurisdiction of other Churches may and do preserve the Vnity of the Church without Conformity to the Church of England But pray can they preserve the Unity of the Church without Catholick Communion to which as you have told us a Compliance with the Order Government Discipline and Worship as well as the Doctrine of the Catholick Church is absolutely necessary And then All the Churches of the World are but one Church or one Society and have the same Right or Obligation of them to communicate with each other as Opportunity serves in all those Duties for the sake of which Christian Churches are instituted as the Members of a particular Church are There are some other Passages in my third Letter which perhaps might want to have something said to them but I shall only refer the Whole with what I have here wrote to your second and cooler Thoughts But I must confess I wonder how I escap'd unrebuk'd when I observ'd that you your self made a sufficient Excuse for some even causless Separation And if the Sinfulness of Separation lies in not observing your Terms of Catholick Communion the Dissenters would think themselves pretty sake under Mr. Chillingworth's Defence against the Papists not only when he affirms That the Gospel of Christ is the whole Covenant between God and Man nor when he blames the Papists for making Salvation depend on Things casual and in the Power of Man to confer or not to confer But if it were only because of the Obscurity and Doubtfulness if not Inconsistency of the Grounds whence the Obligation to constant Communion with the Church is inferr'd for he thought it Demonstration that nothing is necessary to be believed but what is plainly revealed Now Sir I take leave to tell you that I have faithfully followed you in all your subtil Windings I am sure I have nowhere perverted your Discourses how much soever I may have mistaken them And 't is no easy matter to take his Sence rightly who is inconsistent with himself It has not been the least nor perhaps the least pertinent part of my Task to fix your own Principles upon you some of which need no other Exposure but to be set in their proper Light where like the Cadmoean Issue they may be left to destroy each other If you forget in one place what serv'd your purpose in another or go to prove too little or too much for what possibly might be your general Scope and Design I hope you will for the future be more cautious of condemning Men for Dishonesty in arguing upon what they find By this time 't is likely I may in a double Sence have tir'd your Patience which you value your self upon I must confess the Substance of what lies in Dispute between us might be brought into a much narrower Compass But perhaps it was no more than requisite to put several Questions to you to prevent all colourable Evasion that one might take up what might be artfully slipt over upon another And certainly any one that observes what Skill you use in the management of this Controversy will think that many Things which might have seem'd superfluous were but necessary to oblige you to speak out Thus when I had ask'd Whether a Man has a Right to be of a particular Church as he is a Christian that is as I then thought and still do a true Member of the Catholick Church I should not have added Or becomes a Christian only as received into a particular Church were it not that I wrote to one who seems to think no Man can be a true Member of the Catholick Church before he has been actually receiv'd into some particular Church But you taking no notice of the last Branch of the Question wonder I should ask you Whether a Man has a Right to be of a particular Church as he is a Christian when you say The whole Design of your Tract is to prove that every Christian by being so is a Member of the Catholick Church and has a Right to communicate with all sound Parts of the Catholick Church and bound to communicate with that Part of it in which he lives Now 't is odds but it may be as evident upon this your whole Design that every particular Church is bound to receive every Christian as such into its Communion without imposing any Terms but meer Christianity as that a Christian must communicate with that sound Part where he lives even in other Terms Yet here you speak not one Word to the Question how a Man becomes a Christian whether it be only as received into a particular Church Indeed you had said in your Resolutions which I thought you might have either justified or retracted That no Man can be in Covenant with God or a Member of his Church who is not at least visibly admitted which must be by some particular Church and surely no Man can be