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A14184 A demonstration of the trueth of that discipline which Christe hath prescribed in his worde for the gouernment of his Church, in all times and places, vntill the ende of the worlde Wherein are gathered into a plaine forme of reasoning, the proofes thereof; out of the scriptures, the euidence of it by the light of reason rightly ruled, and the testimonies that haue beene giuen therevnto, by the course of the churche certaine hundredths of yeares after the Apostles time; and the generall consent of the Churches rightly reformed in these latter times: according as they are alleaged and maintained, in those seuerall bookes that haue bin written concerning the same. Udall, John, 1560?-1592. 1588 (1588) STC 24499; ESTC S103026 63,031 134

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former is true as the historie teacheth vs Therefore must the latter needes be true also 4 That which giueth comfort vnto a man in the time of his troubles must haue a warraunt out of Gods worde But euerye lawfull calling giueth comfort vnto a man in the time of his troubles Therefore euery lawfull calling hath a warrant out of Gods word 5 That which helpeth Gods people forward in godlines must haue a warraunt out of Gods word for God hath promised a blessing to his owne ordinance onely But euery lawfull calling in the Churche helpeth Gods people forward in godlines Therefore euerie lawfull calling hath a warrant out of Gods word Therefore if Iohn did prooue his calling out of the Scriptures if euerye calling vnder the lawe was warraunted out of the Scriptures if Corath c. were punnished for enterprising that which they had no warrant for out of the Scriptures if comfort in troubles commeth onely from the Scriptures and lastly if euery helpe to godlines is warraunted in the Scriptures then c. They confesse all these reasons to be true but do denie that the Archbish. L. B. c. be distinct ministers from others VVhigift page 303. which we holde T. C. 1. booke page 438 prooue it thus 1 Those thinges that haue diuers efficient causes are diuers Our BB. and the ministers of the worde haue diuers efficient causes for the one is the ordinance of God the other the constitution of humane pollicie as themselues doe confesse Therefore they are distinct ministers from others 2 A diuers forme maketh diuers things the minister● of the word and the L. Byshops haue diuers formes for their ordination euen in the Church of England is diuers seeing one L. B. may ordaine a minister But there must bee three to ordaine one of them Therefore they are distinct ministers 3 Members of one diuision are distincte one from another the L. BB. and ordinarie ministers bee members of one diuision for vsually the ministers be diuided into the rulers them that are to be ruled therefore they are distinct ministers 4 The things that haue diuers effects are diuers in them-selues one from another the L. BB. and other ministers haue diuers effects for the one effecteth rule and gouernement the other subiection and obedience Therfore they are diuers and distinct ministers 5 They that be imploied about diuers things are diuers one from another The L. Bb. and the ordinary ministers be imployed about diuers things for the one is exercised in generall viewe of many congregations and the other in the particular direction of one Therfore they be distinct ministers 6 That which is perpetuall and that which may be taken away by men are distinct one frō another The office of the minister is perpetuall Ephes. 4. 13. and the Bb. may be taken away as themselues do confesse Therefore they are diuers and distinct ministers Therefore if the ministers of the worde and L. Bb. proceed from diuers causes if they haue their being by diuers formes if they be members of one diuision which in nature cannot be one if they produce diuers effectes if they be exercized about diuers subiectes lastly if the one be perpetuall and the other but for a time then must it needes followe that they are diuers distinct ministers one from another The name of an Archb. and also the office that he executeth is contrary to the vvord of God First the reasons that prooue it vnlawfull to giue the name vnto any man in the Churche are these 1 No man may haue the name giuen him which is proper to our Sauiour Iesus Christe But the name of Archb. is proper vnto our Sauiour Iesus Christe as appeareth in the places quoted Therfore no man may haue the name of Archb. giuen vnto him 2 If the name Pope be therefore odious because of that Antichrist who is intituled therwith then must also the name of Archb. when it is ascribed vnto any mortal man forsomuch as it is the title of a speciall member of that kingdom of Antichrist But the former is true euen by their owne confession VVhitgift page 300. Therefore must the latter be true also But they obiect diuers things against this for the proouing of the name Archb. to bee lawfully giuen vnto some men which together with their answers do briefly follow 1 Obiection Clemens aloweth of those names as Polydor reporteth lib. 4. cap. 12. Ansvvere Polydor is but the reporter and M. Iewell hath prooued euidently against Harding that Clemens is countefeite and worthy of no credite 2 Obiection Erasmus sayth that Titus was an Archbishop Ansvvere He spake as the times were wherein he liued but that prooueth not that he helde him one in deed no more then our naming of the Archb. of Canterburye when we speake of him prooueth that we like and allow his authoritie 3 Obiection Anacletus sayth that Iames was the first Archb. of Ierusalem Ansvvere He is forged as our aunswers to the papists haue shewed but a witnes of better credit calleth him onely a bishop Euseb. lib. 2. cap. 23. and Simon bishop after him lib. 3. cap. 22. Iraeneus saith lib. 4. cap. 63. that the Apostles ordayned bishops euery where making no mention of Archb. 4 Obiection The Councell of Nice Canon 6. mentioneth a Metropolitan bishop Ansvvere That prooueth nothing for it was onely as much as to say the Bish. of the chiefe Citie Secondly the reasons that prooue the office of the Archb. vnlawfull be these 1 Euery ministery that is lawful must be of God The office of the Archb. is not of God for that he is not described in the worde and themselues confesse that he is of humane pollicie Therefore the office of the Archb. is vnlawfull 2 That ministery whose original is vnknown hath no warrant from Gods worde and consequently is vnlawfull The original of the Arch. is vnknowne as they confesse VVhitgift page 351. Therefore it is vnlawfull 3 That office which is needles in the church is also vnlawful to be exercised in the same The office of the Archb. is needlesse for the ministery is perfect without it as the Apostle prooueth Ephes. 4. 13. Therefore the office of an Archb. is vnlawfull 4 If all the giftes needful for the perfecting of the Church be appropriated vnto other ministeries then is his ministery vnlawful But al the needful gifts are appropriated vnto pastors doctors elders deacons whereof he is none Therefore his office is vnlawful 5 That office is vnlawful which none may lawfully giue But none may lawfully bestowe the office of an Archb. because none can giue any newe giftes to adorne him withall Therefore his office is vnlawfull This reason being vsed of all sounde diuines against the pope is of the same valewe against the Archb. 6 If the office of an Archb. be lawfull then it is eyther in respect of his excellencie aboue other men or the place