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A49890 Plain dealing, or, Nevves from New-England a short view of New-Englands present government, both ecclesiasticall and civil, compared with the anciently-received and established government of England in some materiall points : fit for the gravest consideratin in these times / by Thomas Lechford ...; Plain dealing Lechford, Thomas, ca. 1590-1644? 1642 (1642) Wing L810; ESTC R12846 46,269 88

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