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etc._n 3._o that_o many_o of_o they_o deny_v all_o proper_a sacramental_a causality_n of_o grace_n 4._o special_o physical_a and_o protestant_n make_v they_o not_o mere_a sign_n but_o invest_v sign_n 5._o and_o ponere_fw-la obicem_fw-la be_v to_o want_n necessary_a moral_a qualification_n and_o action_n as_o aforesaid_a and_o now_o the_o dr._n have_v do_v well_o to_o tell_v i_o wherein_o i_o be_v very_o much_o mistake_v §_o 15._o he_o next_o say_v the_o cross_n be_v in_o no_o sense_n hold_v to_o be_v a_o instrument_n appoint_v for_o convey_v grace_n answ_n 1._o not_o by_o god_n for_o it_o be_v none_o of_o god_n ordinance_n 2._o but_o that_o by_o man_n it_o be_v i_o have_v manifest_v if_o a_o moral_a objective_n move_v and_o teach_v mean_n may_v be_v call_v a_o instrument_n if_o not_o the_o word_n instrument_n be_v nothing_o to_o our_o case_n 1._o to_o work_v on_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o adult_n by_o representation_n signification_n excitation_n as_o the_o word_n do_v be_v to_o be_v a_o 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common-prayer_n be_v a_o corrupt_a superstitious_a or_o unlawful_a worship_n of_o god_n or_o contain_v any_o thing_n in_o it_o that_o be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o scripture_n let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la and_o not_o restore_v till_o etc._n etc._n whosoever_o shall_v affirm_v that_o any_o of_o the_o 39_o article_n be_v in_o any_o part_n superstitious_a or_o erroneous_a or_o such_o as_o he_o may_v not_o with_o a_o good_a conscience_n subscribe_v unto_o let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la and_o not_o restore_v till_o etc._n etc._n whosoever_o shall_v affirm_v that_o the_o rite_n and_o ceremony_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n by_o law_n establish_v be_v wicked_a antichristian_a or_o superstitious_a or_o such_o as_o be_v command_v by_o lawful_a authority_n man_n who_o be_v zealous_o and_o godly_a affect_a may_v not_o with_o any_o good_a conscience_n approve_v they_o use_v they_o or_o as_o occasion_n require_v subscribe_v to_o they_o let_v 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than_o such_o as_o by_o the_o law_n of_o this_o land_n be_v hold_v and_o allow_v which_o may_v right_o challenge_v to_o themselves_o the_o name_n of_o true_a and_o lawful_a church_n let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_a ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o now_o if_o the_o reader_n will_v no_o more_o believe_v the_o doctor_n it_o be_v not_o long_o of_o i_o if_o all_o this_o be_v no_o more_o than_o to_o excommunicate_v they_o that_o obstinate_o affirm_v the_o ceremony_n antichristian_a impious_a or_o superstitious_a understand_a they_o be_v not_o possible_a §_o 2._o but_o i_o confess_v they_o excommunicate_v not_o man_n for_o secret_a thought_n we_o thank_v they_o for_o nothing_o it_o be_v but_o for_o tell_v their_o judgement_n and_o dissenter_n may_v have_v many_o occasion_n to_o tell_v it_o the_o king_n commission_n once_o allow_v some_o of_o we_o to_o tell_v it_o the_o demand_n accusation_n calumniate_a book_n and_o sermon_n etc._n etc._n may_v call_v many_o to_o it_o §_o 3._o he_o 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