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A66973 The second and third treatises of the first part of ancient church-government the second treatise containing a discourse of the succession of clergy. R. H., 1609-1678.; R. H., 1609-1678. Third treatise of the first part of ancient church-government. 1688 (1688) Wing W3457; ESTC R38759 176,787 312

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least being pass'd by the major part of that Occidental Council to oblige them Now what honour these Canons give to the Roman Bishop how they constitute him supreme in Appeals see before § 11. Against this urg'd by S. W. Bishop Bramhall Rep. to S.W. § 4. p. 24. replies 1. That it doth not appear §55 n. 2. that the British Bishops did assent to that Canon 2. That the Council of Sardica was no G. Council after all the Eastern Bishops were departed as they were before the making of that Canon 3. That the Canons of the Council of Sardica were never receiv'd in England or incorporated into the English Laws and that without such incorporation they did not bind English Subjects 4. Lastly That this Canon was contradicted by the great General Council of Chalcedon To which I answer That this Council at least was a full and compleat Occidental Council That Canons pass'd by the most part of such a Council are obliging to the rest contradicting whether Persons Churches or Christian States That where no contradiction of any person Church or State appears they are presumed to assent in justification of which see a more large discourse in Par. 2. § 4. and 24. That if the Canons of Councils only receive force in a Christian State by being incorporated into their Laws then by being expung'd again at pleasure out of these they lose their force And then where is the Church's authority in her Decrees which are valid only till any particular State pleaseth to eject them That thus he will find either not all Canons which he grants obliging incorporated into the English Laws I mean those before the Reformation or more namely those of Councils held since the first four or seven or eight Oecumenical ones Lastly that the Council of Chalcedon no-where contradicts or reverseth this Canon for the Western Provinces at least but rather establishes it in giving the Patriarch of Constantinople like priviledge in the East even the Cypriots not being exempted therefrom See before § 11. From this Council § 55. n. 3. twenty years after Nice let us ascend to the Council of Arles in France convocated by Constantine the Emperor ten years before that of Nice of which see before § 23. n. 7. and in this also we find the presence and subscription of Brittain Bishops see Hammond Schis p. 110. Bramh. Vind. p. 98. of which Bishops thus Sir Hen. Spelm. A. D. 314. Aderant e Britannia celebriores ut videtur tres Episcopi surely in Dignity much preceding and much ancienter than the Bishop of Carleon nempe Eboracensis Londoniensis de civitate Coloniae Londinensium quae alias dicitur Camelodunum una cum Sacerdote Presbytero Diacono qui canones assensu suo approbabant in Britannia redeuntes secum deferebant observandos Now there you may review the first Canon thereof setling the matter of Easter to be kept through all Churches on the same day and the divulgation of this thro all Churches committed to the Bishop of Rome secundum consuetudinem Therefore the speech of the Abbot of Bangor urg'd by Dr. Hammond Schis p. 111. §56 n. 1. and B. Bramhall Vindic. p. 103. that he knew no obedience due to him whom they call'd the Pope but the obedience of Love where B. Bramhall saith Observe what strangers the Brittains were to the Papacy that man whom they call the Pope seems if perhaps authentick full of ignorance who after all that power exercis'd by this man call'd the Pope over the whole Church of God especially over the Western Provinces and so much respect return'd him from them as is set down above in this discourse for I have made scarce any quotation but before or in this Abbot's time after the presence of the Brittain Bishops at so many famous Councils after so many holy Bishops sent for the conversion of these Islands by the Bishop of Rome's delegation should be such a stranger to his Person or Authority or his Titles the like Titles to which given him in this Abbot's see given him in Cyprian's time § 33. after A. D. 600. Where also you may observe That the Irish Bishops yeilded all obedience to this Roman Bishop at this very time when the Brittish thus denied it as appears both in that they are said by Bede the South Irish at least to have return'd very early to a right observation of Easter ad admonitionem Apostolicae Sedis Antistitis Hist l. 3. c. 3. And also in that about this time they sent Letters to St. Gregory then Bishop of Rome to know after what manner they ought to receive into the Church such as were converted from Nestorianism to whom he sends his orders concerning it directed Quirino Episcopo caeteris Episcopis in Hibernia Catholicis Epist 61. of l. 9. And as for this plea § 56. n. 2. of the Brittain's subjection only to the Archbishop of Caerleon you may note That the first Archbishop of this City that is known or spoken of is Dubricius who after much service done by him against Pelagianism was consecrated Archbishop by Germanus and Lupus sent from Rome as is said above § 54. n. 2. the third or fourth from whom possess'd that Chair when Austin came Meanwhile before Austin's coming the Brittains had other Bishops preeminent to Caerleon a Bishop of York the chief Bishop of the whole Nation as that City then was the principal City the Roman Praetorium being there See Spelm. Appar p. 22. a Bishop of London and of some other places who were present at the Council of Arles where is no mention of Carleon's Bishop of which Bishops Todiacus Archbishop of York and Theonus Bishop of London being persecuted by the Saxons fled into Wales with their Clergy A. D. 586. Within eleven years after whose flight thither Augustin came into England and upon it their persecution in part ceas'd Now there being no mention of any opposition made by any of these Bishops or their Clergy which in eleven years space could not all be deceas'd to Augustin but only by the Welch under Caerleon it is probable that they conform'd to the rest of the West in such submission to it's Patriarch as was due to him by the Canons of those Councils which their predecessors had allow'd and was render'd to him by their neighbour-Prelacy of Ireland see Greg. l. 9. Ep. 61. as likewise that they celebrated Easter according to those Conciliary Canons and the Roman manner and lastly that returning into some of those parts of Brittain from whence they fled § 57. n. 1. The Brittain's observation of Easter different from Rome not agreeing with the Orientals and no argument that they receiv'd Christianity from thence they aided Augustin in the conversion of the Saxons 2. That Argument That the Brittains were not formerly converted by any sent from Rome but rather by Joseph of Arimathea or Simon Zelotes or some other Eastern Doctors because their observation