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england_n	allegiance_n	king_n	oath_n	2,942	5	7.6429	4	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A38372	England undeceived in answer to a late pamphlet (intituled, Some ways for raising of money, humbly offered to the consideration of the Parliament, by a person of quality) : humbly presented to the same Parliament / by an English gentleman of Ireland.	English gentleman of Ireland.; Person of quality. Some ways for raising of money.	1691 (1691)	Wing E2936; ESTC R11034	15,471	22

opportunity to that ingrateful and incorrigible Nation to wage War with their Benefactors and to endeavour the utter extirpation of the English Blood This indeed were but to repeat the Old Game to make the Irish Gainers by their Rebellion and the English the Losers For what equality of reason can there be in it to accept of two years value of the Irish Estates who have for above two years enjoyed the Profits not only of their own but of all the Protestant Estates almost through the Kingdom And with what face can this person of Quality pretend this to be the more merciful and Christian way to indemnify the Papists for all their Rapine and Barbarity upon a slender Composition for two years Rent and never think of the poor Protestants who have for two years been driven into Exile and forceably deprived of their Estates and from whom so much hath been plunder'd in Money Plate Houshold-stuff and Stock and so much damage done in burning their Houses and Towns and destroying their Plantation that if all the Estates of the Papists in Ireland were sold at ten years purchase and distributed toward their satisfaction it would be so far from affording a due Recompence and Reparation that it would not make amends for the fourth part beside the Charge of the War certainly no indifferent man can pronounce this to be the more merciful and the more Christian way to indulge our implacable Enemies by a Composition who have truckled to the French and abetted their Interest and to project no Provision or Reparation to our Friends who have suffer'd beyond Example for adhering to a Protestant King Neither will it be impertinent to animadvert how the Protestants upon the last Settlement were treated in a way not so Christian nor so merciful For King Charles the Second having by his Declaration from Bredah confirmed to the Adventurers and Soldiers all the Estates they were possessed of in May 1659. Nevertheless many of them were dispossest by the Irish who were restored by the Court of Clayms others were turn'd out of their Estates by such Persons as His Majesty thought fit to restore by Provisoes and Letters Now for the satisfying and reprising such Adventurers and Souldiers the gratifying of some favour'd Irish and for the hope of a future settlement all Adventurers and Soldiers were forced to retrench a third part of all their Estates which at twelve years purchase is worth four and also to pay one years full value of what their Estates were really bonâ fide set for which with above two years Rent which they have lately lost will amount to more than seven years purchase of the Lands they have been lately dispossessed of by the Irish Nay I have seen it computed that the Adventurers did viis modis pay 70 five years Purchase for their Estates and the Soldiers a hundred and fifteen And I would ask the Projector how long how often shall Overtures of Mercy be given to them Is not five hundred years in point of Time and Pardons extended almost every forty years in point of Grace sufficient to make an experiment whether a Nation be reclaimable or not But if hitherto such Lenitives as these had no other effect than to animate them to new Rebellions why shall it not be deem'd not only Justice to our selves but even a Mercy to the Irish to apply more effectual tho more Churlish Remedies What he is pleased to add in the illustration of his Argument by Instances from the French King may perhaps be historically true tho I must confess I never heard before that he had subdued Savoy but certainly are no way applicable to the Subject in hand nor urged with the relation of such Circumstances as make the case quite disserent If we do not hear of Confiscations or Extirpations in Savoy I am persuaded it is because it is too soon to alienate or destroy that Countrey before he be in possession of it so then in matter of fact it may not be true that they are subdued and if it be true it is no way pertinent for the Savoyards not being Subjects to the French King tho they may be conquer'd by him yet they cannot be subject to forfeiture since they owed him nothing nor were before under his Allegiance If the French King hath so nobly indulged the Gentlemen of Estates where he hath extended his Conquests in Flanders I am apt to think it proceeds more from Policy than Christian Compassion the Conquest of that Countrey being not intire and therefore unseasonable for him to shew his Resentments And well may he boast of Cardinal Richlieus Treatment of the Protestants of Rochel it is the first time that ever any of his Religion express'd any tenderness or humanity to the Professors of the other but alas this is but quoting part of the Text without the coherence Every man knows that knows History how indispensable a necessity lay upon the French King at that time to oblige him to a compliance with those Capitulations Secondly It is offer'd that these Peoples Crime is not so horrible as some would suppose it And in this Argument is a manifest Collusion The Author labouring to palliate their Villany by a pretext of inflexible Loyalty and adherence to the Interest of their Natural King whereas in very Deed their fighting under the Banner of King James was but in order to the Accomplishment of that long premeditated Design to extirpate the Protestant Religion and English Nation and by this means they had an opportunity to effect that by Arms and open War which they could not bring to pass by Secret Plots and Massacres King James by abdicating the Kingdom of England as is plainly granted by the Author did implicitly and consequentially abdicate Ireland and the Government which he retain'd there first by his Lieutenant and then in person was after our present King upon the Adjudication of a vacant Throne was proclaimed through England and in all the Northern parts of Ireland In the mean time the Spontaneous Abdication of the Late King and his voluntary parting with the Prerogatives of the Crown do render the Oath of Allegiance contradictory and unpracticable We do not blame Subjects for adhering to their Natural Prince which indefinitely taken is a virtue but we blame them for adhering to him in the prosecution of such a Cause as did utterly subvert the fundamental Constitution of these Kingdoms which the Subjects as well as Prince stands obliged not to violate In this Case they ought to have deserted as knowing that whoever adheres to a Prince in the abetting of a Cause which overthrows the Laws is punishable by the Laws of that very Prince But to say they were hardly prevai'd upon to ingage and declare is directy contrary to the knowledge of the persons that were then upon the place For whereas the Late King did not arrive in Ireland till about the middle of March the Irish Nation were long before fermented

into outrage and Revenge they began an early Violence in the County of Meath before the precedeing February they had plunder'd the Protestants in Co●●aught forced the Houses se●z'd the Arms and Horses and driven away the persons of the Protestants in Munster and in a word Universally through the Land accepted of Commissions and were train'd up in Military Discipline so that in December 1688 Thirty Nine New and Levy'd Regiments were added to the Standing Army and Fifty Thousand of the Rabble arm'd with Half-pikes and Skeins and obliged to it by command from the the Priests under the pain of Excommunication And so far were they from being hardly prevail'd upon to engage and declare that never Christians ingaged in a Crusade for conquering the Holy Land with so impatient a Zeal as the Couardly Irish ●●●ck'd to Dublin and adored 〈…〉 and strugled for Commissions exchanging their Fri●ze Coats into Scarlet and Blew and jumping out of Brogues into Jackboots And in very truth as the difference was not so the Dispute ought not to be Concerning Obedience to a Natural Prince because those very persons who were robbed and plundered were in peaceable subjection to the same King to whom the Robbers professed an Allegiance But by this Person of Quality's Logick if we can hardly blame them for what they have done the whole World must blame us for what we have done It had been more ingenuous to say The English have been the first Aggressors and because King James did not seem to forsake Ireland but retained the Government there therefore King William is an Usurper and all that contributed either in purse or person for the Reduction of Ireland are Rebels and Traytors And whereas he slily insinuates that they were left to themselves for many Months and to the practices and persuasions of King James his Agents that no Power but King James 's appeared in Ireland and we in England were wholly taken up with setling our Government it is not to be doubted but this Argument was skrew'd in on purpose to reflect on the Government and to arraign the King and his Council of supine negligence in not applying an early and easie remedy at the beginning of those Distractions The third Consideration cannot be answer'd civilly It does not become a Person of Quality to obtrude upon the World so notorious a Falshood That these are the Ancient Inhabitants and Proprietors of the Countrey for howsoever among the Vulgar and meaner sort of the People there be many of the Ancient Irish Extraction yet it is manifest that few or none of the Lords and Gentlemen in that Kingdom are originally Irish but descended of English Blood As for instance Butler the Head of which Family the Illustrious House of Ormond have in all times been famous for their unshaken Fidelity to the English Crown and Interest Fitz-Gerald Burgh Fitz-Williams Fitz-Maurice Fitz-Patrick Talbot Preston Bermingham Plunket Sarsfield Nettervile Lutterel Bagnal Lucy Dillon and many more tho by the influence of their Religion many of them have long since degenerated into the barbarous Inclinations of the Native Irish So that if all the original Natives of Irish Extraction who are distinguish'd by Mac and O were restored to the Estates they enjoy'd in 1688. the Composition for two years value would be very inconsiderable But if a plenary Conquest repeated upon the extinction of several Rebellions a Possession for 500 years frequent for forfeitures a submission so the Laws a Recognition of the Title a derivation of their Parents for their Estates and a general incorporating of Families be not sufficient Arguments to intitle England to the Sovereignty of that Kingdom and to demonstrate that the English are the Proprietors of it what shall we say of the Race of King Pepin how injuriously has the King of Spain dealt with the Moors the Emperor with the Hunus the Northern Kings with the Goths and Vandals In a word The Ancient Inhabitants and Proprietors of that Countrey who are now in Arms against England are either of the mere Irish Race or of the English Stock If they are of the Irish Sort what Obligations can lie upon the King or Parliament of England to own their Propriety or Title who have by so many re-iterated Acts of Defection from their Allegiance forfeited all Pretensions to Mercy If they are of the other sort descended from the English I would fain know how they came by their Estates were they not granted to them by the Kings of England upon the Forfeitures of the Native Irish And if it were just and reasonable for their Ancestors to take the Estates of the poor harmless Irish only for a little Rebellion what hardship is it or what injustice to dispossess them who have relapsed into the same Crime I do think indeed that in time they may be reclaimed as the Author does hint but not by such Methods as he insinuates not by restoring them to their Lands and compounding for two years value but by imposing such a yoke upon them as they shall never be in a capacity to rebel again The Interrogatory How many Civil Protestant Families are there already in Ireland of mere Irish Extraction I answer in one word There is only one of any Quality or Title or at least three or four Families of one Name or Sept and that is of the O Bryens The fourth Consideration is That mens not submitting to a new Establish'd Government is not so heinous a Crime as the rebelling against a Government they were born under or to which they have submitted Supposing this Apothegm to be true what relation has this to the Case in hand The Author must not think with his Sophistry to impose upon our Reason so that we may not distinguish between a Government and a Governour If the Irish were not born under the Government of King William yet they were born under the Government of the King of England and submitted to it And by the Laws of that Land whosoever is de Facto possess'd of the Throne of England is ipso facto and also de Jure King of Ireland And though it is not strange that some differences and disorders should be upon a dissolution of a Government yet it is to be admir'd and with everlasting horror to be remembred that in full Peace and the uninterrupted Exercise of the Government the greatest differences and disorders happen'd in Ireland that ever were known in any Christian Kingdom Did not the Irish in the Reign of the late King James violate the Laws of the Nation and infringe the Act of Settlement They Arbitrarily divested the Officers of the Army because they were Protestants Cashier'd the Soldiers and with all the Circumstances of Scorn and Inhumanity stript them to their Shirts and exposed them to the necessity of Begging or Starving they reform'd the Privy-Council according to their own Cue they turn'd the Judges out of the Courts and the Justices of Peace out of the Commission and