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A92525
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The ansvver of the Commissioners of the kingdome of Scotland, to both Houses of Parliament, upon the new propositions of peace, and the foure bills to be sent to his Majestie.
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Scotland. Parliament.
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1647
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Wing S1180; Thomason E421_2; ESTC R203503
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the_o proposition_n at_o the_o isle_n of_o wight_n or_o can_v it_o be_v look_v for_o that_o he_o will_v give_v the_o whole_a and_o sole_a power_n of_o the_o militia_n from_o himself_o and_o his_o posterity_n to_o the_o house_n for_o their_o security_n and_o to_o be_v dispose_v of_o as_o they_o shall_v think_v fit_a and_o have_v no_o security_n at_o all_o to_o himself_o nor_o any_o assurrance_n that_o he_o shall_v be_v restore_v to_o his_o right_n and_o government_n it_o be_v much_o more_o probable_a that_o he_o will_v think_v he_o have_v already_o offer_v sufficient_a security_n in_o his_o late_a message_n from_o carisbrooke_n castle_n of_o the_o 16._o novemb_n wherein_o he_o be_v content_a that_o all_o power_n of_o the_o militia_n be_v settle_v in_o the_o house_n of_o parliament_n during_o his_o reign_n neither_o be_v this_o way_n in_o our_o apprehension_n for_o the_o good_a and_o safety_n of_o the_o kingdom_n that_o a_o army_n hold_v such_o principle_n as_o they_o do_v concern_v religion_n and_o in_o relation_n to_o the_o settle_v the_o government_n and_o peace_n of_o the_o kingdom_n and_o which_o without_o any_o know_a authority_n from_o the_o parliament_n have_v increase_v their_o number_n to_o near_o the_o double_a of_o what_o they_o be_v allow_v by_o order_n of_o parliament_n and_o in_o their_o late_a representation_n acknowledge_v their_o supper_n numerary_n to_o be_v about_o twenty_o thousand_o that_o such_o a_o army_n we_o say_v shall_v be_v perpetual_o establish_v when_o there_o be_v no_o force_n to_o oppose_v the_o parliament_n and_o that_o the_o subject_n shall_v be_v oblige_v by_o a_o law_n for_o ever_o to_o submit_v to_o a_o military_a power_n and_o pay_v what_o money_n shall_v be_v demand_v for_o their_o maintenance_n whatsoever_o it_o may_v seem_v to_o other_o to_o be_v in_o our_o sense_n it_o do_v neither_o agree_v with_o the_o rule_n of_o policy_n nor_o safety_n we_o do_v desire_v to_o see_v the_o four_o bill_n to_o be_v present_v to_o his_o majesty_n so_o much_o the_o rather_o that_o from_o the_o title_n of_o the_o bill_n for_o the_o militia_n we_o perceive_v that_o it_o do_v extend_v to_o the_o settle_n and_o maintain_v of_o force_n in_o the_o town_n of_o berwick_n contrary_a to_o the_o large_a treaty_n betwixt_o the_o kingdom_n and_o we_o do_v represent_v that_o those_o bill_n be_v assent_v unto_o by_o the_o king_n will_v be_v a_o real_a security_n and_o the_o make_v a_o agreement_n for_o peace_n which_o according_a to_o the_o treaty_n betwixt_o the_o kingdom_n can_v be_v do_v without_o the_o mutual_a advice_n and_o consent_n of_o both_o to_o which_o the_o house_n do_v yesterday_o return_v as_o their_o answer_n that_o the_o privilege_n right_o and_o custom_n of_o the_o kingdom_n and_o parliament_n of_o england_n be_v that_o bill_n past_o both_o house_n to_o be_v present_v to_o the_o king_n for_o his_o royal_a assent_n be_v not_o to_o be_v communicate_v to_o any_o other_o whosoever_o either_o in_o relation_n to_o matter_n or_o form_n before_o his_o answer_n thereunto_o give_v and_o that_o there_o be_v nothing_o contain_v in_o any_o article_n of_o treaty_n betwixt_o the_o kingdom_n to_o the_o contrary_n whereunto_o we_o make_v this_o reply_n that_o the_o bill_n mention_v in_o the_o 11._o sect._n of_o the_o proposition_n of_o peace_n present_v to_o his_o majesty_n at_o oxford_n in_o anno_fw-la 1644._o be_v communicate_v unto_o we_o before_o they_o be_v send_v to_o the_o king_n and_o upon_o perusal_n of_o they_o we_o do_v desire_v that_o nothing_o may_v be_v in_o those_o bill_n contrary_a to_o the_o covenant_n or_o the_o reformation_n &_o uniformity_n to_o be_v settle_v upon_o consideration_n whereof_o the_o house_n of_o commons_o give_v we_o this_o answer_n that_o the_o reformation_n &_o uniformity_n desire_v be_v already_o provide_v for_o in_o one_o of_o the_o proposition_n to_o which_o nothing_o contain_v in_o those_o bill_n can_v be_v any_o prejudice_n but_o shall_v hereafter_o be_v regulate_v as_o the_o say_a reformation_n and_o uniformity_n shall_v be_v think_v fit_a to_o be_v settle_v also_o the_o bill_n for_o abolish_n episcopacy_n be_v communicate_v unto_o we_o and_o afterward_o debate_v upon_o by_o his_o majesty_n commissioner_n and_o the_o commissioner_n of_o both_o kingdom_n at_o uxbridge_n we_o think_v fit_a to_o give_v these_o instance_n to_o show_v that_o it_o have_v not_o always_o be_v the_o custom_n of_o both_o house_n not_o to_o communicate_v their_o bill_n before_o his_o majesty_n answer_n be_v give_v thereunto_o yet_o it_o be_v no_o way_n our_o desire_n to_o meddle_v with_o the_o frame_n of_o your_o law_n or_o advise_v the_o form_n of_o your_o bill_n we_o shall_v ever_o be_v tender_a of_o any_o just_a privilege_n of_o parliament_n but_o that_o it_o shall_v be_v say_v that_o there_o be_v nothing_o contain_v in_o any_o article_n of_o treaty_n between_o the_o two_o kingdom_n which_o require_v the_o communication_n of_o the_o matter_n of_o any_o bill_n be_v to_o we_o very_o strange_a it_o be_v agree_v upon_o betwixt_o the_o kingdom_n that_o no_o cessation_n nor_o any_o pacification_n or_o agreement_n for_o peace_n whatsoever_o shall_v be_v make_v by_o either_o kingdom_n or_o the_o army_n of_o either_o kingdom_n without_o the_o mutual_a advice_n and_o consent_n of_o both_o kingdom_n suppose_v the_o house_n of_o parliament_n shall_v turn_v all_o their_o desire_n for_o peace_n into_o bill_n and_o shall_v say_v that_o those_o bill_n can_v be_v communicate_v to_o the_o kingdom_n of_o scotland_n either_o in_o relation_n to_o matter_n or_o form_n we_o desire_v to_o know_v and_o let_v any_o rational_a man_n judge_n whether_o this_o be_v not_o a_o elude_a and_o clear_a violation_n of_o the_o treaty_n neither_o can_v it_o in_o this_o case_n be_v a_o satisfactory_a answer_n that_o the_o house_n of_o parliament_n do_v only_o send_v four_o of_o the_o proposition_n in_o bill_n to_o his_o majesty_n for_o every_o one_o of_o the_o proposition_n be_v a_o proposition_n for_o peace_n and_o a_o agreement_n make_v upon_o any_o one_o of_o they_o be_v a_o agreement_n for_o peace_n and_o which_o be_v much_o more_o there_o be_v none_o of_o the_o proposition_n which_o in_o their_o own_o nature_n do_v so_o immediate_o concern_v the_o settle_n of_o a_o peace_n as_o these_o four_o proposition_n and_o what_o can_v be_v call_v a_o agreement_n for_o peace_n if_o this_o be_v not_o when_o the_o king_n by_o his_o assent_n shall_v justify_v the_o proceed_n of_o the_o parliament_n in_o the_o â—â—te_a war_n and_o make_v all_o oath_n declaration_n proclamation_n and_o other_o proceed_n against_o it_o to_o be_v void_a when_o by_o act_n of_o parliament_n he_o shall_v settle_v the_o power_n of_o all_o force_n by_o sea_n and_o land_n into_o the_o house_n of_o parliament_n and_o also_o to_o raise_v money_n for_o their_o maintenance_n when_o he_o shall_v consent_v that_o all_o peer_n make_v or_o hereafter_o to_o be_v make_v shall_v not_o siâ—_n or_o vote_n in_o parliament_n without_o conserre_n of_o both_o house_n and_o when_o he_o shall_v give_v power_n to_o the_o house_n to_o adjourn_v at_o their_o pleasure_n if_o then_o the_o king_n assent_n to_o those_o bill_n be_v a_o agreement_n for_o peace_n as_o we_o hope_v it_o can_v in_o reason_n be_v deny_v our_o advice_n and_o consent_n ought_v to_o be_v have_v therein_o before_o they_o be_v send_v to_o the_o king_n and_o otherwise_o the_o treaty_n be_v violate_v as_o we_o can_v agree_v to_o this_o way_n of_o send_v these_o four_o bill_n to_o his_o majesty_n for_o his_o assent_n before_o any_o treaty_n upon_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o proposition_n so_o we_o be_v extreme_o unsatisfied_a with_o the_o matter_n of_o these_o new_a proposition_n late_o confiscate_v 〈◊〉_d we_o for_o the_o reason_n express_v in_o our_o answer_n unto_o they_o which_o we_o do_v herewith_o deliver_v unto_o your_o lordship_n to_o be_v present_v to_o both_o house_n of_o parliament_n and_o we_o do_v desire_v that_o they_o will_v take_v the_o whole_a business_n unto_o their_o further_a consideration_n and_o that_o there_o may_v be_v a_o personal_a treaty_n with_o his_o majesty_n here_o aâ—_n 〈◊〉_d upon_o such_o proposition_n as_o shall_v be_v agree_v upon_o with_o advice_n and_o consent_n of_o both_o kingdom_n according_a to_o the_o treaty_n by_o command_n of_o the_o commissioner_n for_o the_o parliament_n of_o scotland_n io._n cheisâ—â—â—_n decemb._n â—7_n 164â—_n finis_fw-la
the_o king_n from_o his_o government_n and_o to_o be_v a_o burden_n to_o the_o subject_n since_o the_o war_n be_v end_v but_o that_o they_o may_v have_v due_a satisfaction_n of_o their_o arrear_n and_o be_v disband_v without_o which_o there_o can_v be_v no_o real_a nor_o lasting_a peace_n that_o all_o army_n be_v disband_v here_o speedy_a relief_n may_v be_v send_v to_o ireland_n that_o a_o act_n of_o oblivion_n which_o be_v the_o bond_n of_o peace_n be_v agree_v upon_o to_o be_v pass_v in_o the_o parliament_n of_o both_o kingdom_n that_o the_o king_n be_v restore_v to_o his_o right_n and_o revenue_n and_o particular_o that_o the_o crown_n be_v not_o exclude_v from_o the_o power_n of_o make_v law_n which_o be_v as_o essential_a to_o king_n as_o to_o govern_v by_o law_n and_o sway_v the_o sceptre_n nor_o from_o the_o power_n of_o the_o militia_n without_o which_o they_o can_v neither_o protect_v their_o subject_n oppose_v their_o and_o the_o kingdom_n enemy_n nor_o keep_v friendship_n with_o their_o ally_n that_o there_o be_v a_o conclusion_n add_v to_o the_o proposition_n promise_v our_o real_a endeavour_n as_o be_v do_v in_o the_o proposition_n treat_v upon_o at_o uxbridge_n that_o his_o majesty_n may_v live_v in_o the_o splendour_n and_o glory_n of_o his_o royal_a progenitor_n as_o beseem_v his_o royal_a place_n and_o dignity_n that_o so_o all_o difference_n and_o trouble_n may_v end_v in_o mutual_a confidence_n and_o rejoice_v the_o king_n may_v enjoy_v the_o comfort_n of_o his_o royal_a consort_n and_o child_n with_o other_o contentment_n and_o we_o after_o so_o great_a distraction_n and_o long_o continue_a suffering_n may_v reap_v the_o bless_a fruit_n of_o truth_n and_o peace_n under_o his_o government_n and_o as_o it_o be_v very_o far_o from_o our_o thought_n and_o intention_n in_o express_v our_o difference_n upon_o the_o proposition_n to_o provoke_v or_o give_v offence_n so_o we_o trust_v that_o our_o freedom_n in_o discharge_n of_o the_o trust_v commit_v to_o we_o proceed_v from_o our_o zeal_n to_o religion_n loyalty_n to_o the_o king_n and_o love_n to_o peace_n shall_v receive_v a_o coâ—diâ—_n interpretation_n from_o the_o honourable_a house_n and_o that_o they_o 〈◊〉_d in_o their_o wisdom_n not_o slight_a the_o desire_n of_o a_o kingdom_n â—ho_fw-mi 〈◊〉_d the_o time_n of_o england_n great_a danger_n esteem_v no_o 〈◊〉_d too_o hard_o for_o their_o assistance_n and_o be_v now_o seek_v nothing_o but_o the_o performance_n of_o the_o mutual_a obligement_n declaration_n and_o treaty_n between_o the_o two_o kingdom_n and_o to_o prevent_v the_o danger_n which_o may_v cause_v upon_o the_o 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈…〉_o to_o solemn_a engagement_n the_o house_n of_o parliament_n have_v frequent_o profess_v that_o the_o chief_a end_n of_o their_o war_n be_v the_o reformation_n and_o establishment_n of_o religion_n according_a to_o the_o covenant_n and_o they_o have_v often_o promise_v and_o declare_v to_o the_o king_n and_o to_o all_o the_o world_n nâ—t_v without_o â—lâ—ep_v â—â—estaâ—â—â—_n of_o the_o name_n of_o god_n that_o no_o trouble_n or_o success_n shall_v ever_o make_v they_o wrong_v or_o diminish_v the_o power_n of_o the_o crown_n which_o be_v the_o chief_a moâ—â—â—es_n and_o argument_n that_o endure_v scotland_n to_o engage_v with_o they_o in_o this_o war_n let_v therefore_o that_o be_v give_v to_o god_n which_o be_v god_n and_o to_o caesar_n what_o be_v caesar_n whereby_o it_o may_v be_v evident_a that_o you_o be_v not_o unmindful_a of_o the_o solemn_a vow_n you_o make_v to_o god_n in_o the_o time_n of_o distress_n for_o reformation_n of_o religion_n and_o it_o may_v also_o real_o appear_v that_o 〈◊〉_d advantage_n and_o power_n which_o 〈◊〉_d put_v into_o your_o hand_n have_v not_o 〈…〉_o your_o loyalty_n to_o the_o king_n and_o according_a to_o our_o many_o profession_n and_o near_o 〈…〉_o â—â—ally_o and_o coâ—â—â—â—â—ly_o cherish_v and_o strâ—ng_v then_o the_o vâ—ion_n between_o the_o two_o kingdom_n under_o his_o majesty_n by_o all_o the_o pledge_n of_o reciprocal_a kindness_n 〈◊〉_d so_o religion_n and_o righteousness_n may_v flourish_v and_o both_o kingdom_n languish_v under_o the_o 〈…〉_o and_o 〈◊〉_d of_o a_o natural_a war_n may_v live_v in_o 〈◊〉_d plâ—nty_n by_o command_n of_o the_o commissioner_n for_o the_o parliament_n of_o scotland_n io._n cheisâ—â—â—_n we_o 〈…〉_o the_o instruction_n communicaâ—â—â—â—_n unto_o 〈…〉_o in_o the_o 〈◊〉_d wherein_o the_o 〈…〉_o the_o king_n care_n 〈◊〉_d present_a 〈◊〉_d the_o 〈…〉_o 〈…〉_o of_o 〈…〉_o of_o 〈…〉_o of_o parliament_n 〈…〉_o procla_fw-mi 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈…〉_o the_o parliament_n to_o be_v 〈…〉_o or_o 〈…〉_o to_o be_v make_v and_o a_o new_a proposition_n for_o the_o adjournment_n of_o both_o house_n to_o which_o bill_n they_o be_v command_v to_o desire_v his_o majesty_n assent_n by_o his_o letter_n patent_n under_o the_o great_a seal_n of_o england_n and_o not_o otherwise_o and_o after_o his_o majesty_n assent_n to_o those_o bill_n the_o house_n of_o parliament_n will_v send_v a_o committee_n of_o both_o house_n to_o treat_v with_o his_o majesty_n in_o the_o isle_n of_o wight_n upon_o the_o remainder_n of_o the_o new_a proposition_n to_o all_o which_o we_o answer_v that_o although_o there_o be_v nothing_o which_o we_o more_o passionate_o desire_v then_o a_o happy_a peace_n and_o good_a agreement_n with_o the_o king_n yet_o we_o can_v agree_v to_o this_o way_n of_o desire_v his_o majesty_n assent_n to_o those_o four_o bill_n before_o any_o treaty_n with_o his_o majesty_n upon_o other_o proposition_n it_o be_v in_o our_o judgement_n neither_o for_o the_o good_a of_o religion_n the_o king_n nor_o kingdom_n and_o first_o concern_v religion_n we_o say_v that_o in_o january_n 1645._o it_o be_v agree_v on_o betwixt_o the_o house_n of_o parliament_n and_o we_o before_o the_o treaty_n at_o uxbridge_n that_o the_o proposition_n concern_v religion_n the_o militia_n and_o ireland_n shall_v be_v treat_v upon_o alteâ—â—s_fw-la vicibus_fw-la begin_v first_o with_o the_o proposition_n of_o religion_n and_o that_o as_o it_o be_v of_o most_o excellency_n so_o it_o be_v to_o be_v seek_v after_o and_o final_o agree_v upon_o in_o the_o fi_fw-la st_o place_n before_o any_o final_a agreement_n the_o 〈◊〉_d upon_o any_o of_o the_o other_o proposition_n we_o be_v very_o sure_a the_o house_n have_v far_o great_a reason_n at_o that_o time_n to_o look_v to_o their_o security_n and_o to_o desire_v the_o proposition_n for_o settle_v the_o militia_n to_o be_v first_o agree_v on_o when_o the_o king_n have_v a_o army_n in_o the_o field_n than_o now_o when_o they_o have_v a_o strong_a army_n and_o he_o have_v none_o at_o all_o and_o upon_o the_o other_o part_n the_o danger_n to_o religion_n be_v now_o much_o great_a they_o aâ—_n any_o time_n before_o when_o man_n in_o arm_n be_v demand_v a_o toleration_n of_o all_o sort_n of_o religion_n popery_n except_v and_o if_o first_o of_o all_o it_o shall_v be_v agree_v on_o that_o the_o continuance_n of_o such_o a_o army_n shall_v be_v settle_v by_o law_n we_o desire_v it_o may_v be_v equal_o consider_v what_o good_a can_v be_v expect_v from_o a_o treaty_n upon_o 〈◊〉_d or_o what_o hope_n shall_v remain_v of_o settle_v it_o according_a to_o the_o covenant_n wherefore_o we_o can_v consent_v to_o the_o send_v any_o proposition_n or_o 〈…〉_o a_o seâ—â—rity_n for_o â—â—â—ling_a peace_n without_o tâ—â—th_n which_o have_v be_v acknowledge_v both_o by_o his_o majesty_n and_o the_o 〈◊〉_d all_o former_a treaty_n or_o message_n to_o be_v the_o best_a 〈◊〉_d most_o 〈◊〉_d foundation_n of_o a_o last_a peace_n and_o we_o must_v still_o press_v that_o there_o may_v be_v a_o preference_n of_o those_o desire_n which_o be_v for_o settle_v 〈◊〉_d and_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n the_o want_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o sect_n and_o heresy_n which_o do_v multiply_v and_o in_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d daily_o to_o the_o disturbance_n of_o all_o order_n and_o peace_n both_o in_o church_n and_o state_n as_o this_o way_n be_v not_o for_o the_o good_a of_o religion_n so_o it_o can_v in_o reason_n be_v conceive_v that_o it_o shall_v be_v acceptable_a to_o the_o king_n for_o how_o can_v it_o be_v expect_v that_o he_o will_v grant_v those_o thing_n for_o a_o personal_a treaty_n whereof_o the_o issue_n be_v uncertain_a which_o he_o have_v ever_o hitherto_o deny_v even_o to_o obtain_v a_o peace_n especial_o when_o after_o all_o his_o majesty_n earnest_a desire_n he_o can_v be_v admit_v to_o come_v to_o london_n nor_o upon_o any_o term_n to_o have_v a_o treaty_n here_o in_o respect_n the_o house_n conceive_v that_o the_o king_n presence_n with_o they_o at_o this_o time_n stand_v not_o with_o the_o safety_n and_o security_n of_o the_o parliament_n and_o kingdom_n but_o that_o the_o king_n assent_n to_o the_o four_o bill_n must_v be_v by_o commission_n and_o thereafter_o a_o treaty_n upon_o the_o rest_n of_o