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A29194 The consecration and succession, of Protestant bishops justified, the Bishop of Duresme vindicated, and that infamous fable of the ordination at the Nagges head clearly confuted by John Bramhall ... Bramhall, John, 1594-1663. 1658 (1658) Wing B4216; ESTC R24144 93,004 246

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