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A48054 A letter from Duke Schomberge's camp, giving an account of the condition of the English and Irish army, and a true account of all the papists in Ireland their number and estates, with reasons for declaring them forfeited, and the several parties amongst them with all the material circumstances that relate to that kingdom : from the camp at Dundalke, November 4, 1689. 1689 (1689) Wing L1461; ESTC R9296 6,671 11

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the English procure themselves pardon and protection and escape without punishment and that the Costly rebellions of Ireland spread under pretext of Religion were cherished and nourished by contempt lenity and pa●simony in England As also that great Sums of money were spent about Ireland but to little purpose for that by a certain infelicity common as well to England as to Ireland where for the most part to such publick work such men thrust themselves forward and are admitted as sordidly prefer their own private before the publick good I hope these passages were Historical and not Prophetical Five hundred years have not furnish'ed one instance of the Irish being reduced when in Rebellion by kind Offers unless made them at the last extremity but there are innumerable of their growing insolent and obstinate thereby He that knows not this understands not an Irish man nor how rightly to deal with him If we imagine that Liberty for their Religion a share in the Civil Justice will oblige and restrain them from violence and treason we shall be mistaken for in 1641. the Papists in that Kingdom had their Titular Arch-bishops and Bishops their Frieries and Nunneries their Secular and Regular Clergy they were Justices of the Peace Sheriffs of Counties Mayors and Bayliffs of Corporations c. they were seized of three fourths of the Lands there all the Laws against them which are but few in Ireland to what they are in England were suspended as to their Execution There was then a Parliament sitting in that Kingdom mostly of Papists wherein they remonstrated all their imaginary Grievances the Government concurred that they should send their Deputies into England to represent them to the King whereupon they had many forfeitures some of whole Counties released to them and all the rest of their grievances redressed which only put them into a better condition to rebel For notwithstanding all these Concessions in a few Months after being stirred up by their Clergy they broke out into that barbarous and horrid Rebellion wherein 150000 Protestants were massacred in cold blood without any provocation besides as many more that perished by Famine and Sword in the prosecution of that Rebellion which is demonstration to all the World that these people are not to be retained in obedience by Immunities Priviledges and Kindness nor restrained from Murders and Massacres any longer than they are kept under by a powerful standing Army In 1650. Oliver being in Ireland the growth of Charles 2d party in Scotland calling him into England he was put to it how in a little to divide and break the power of the Irish as the best expedient he elected to hold a solemn debate for three days successively whether that Nation should not be wholly extirpated which had the desired Effect For on notice thereof they instantly were terrified divided and scampered and many submitted on condition to be transported Let it be remembred that the Tragedy which for three years past and now is acting in Ireland was intended also for the Theatre of England God forbid that by weakness good nature or out of good husbandry we should be prevailed on to bring ruin on England also by preserving the Instruments of our destruction If they abide among us they will certainly prove goads in our sides and thorns in our Eyes The Lives of the Protestants in Ireland can never be secured whilst these remain among the Natives If as Sir Walter Rawleigh relates the wise State of Venice when their Senate is met will not enter on any Consultation until solemn Proclamation be made that all Priests shall depart because they know them pernicious Councellors of State even amongst those of their own Religion why should it be thought rigorous that we should remove such Instruments of mischief to such distance as may secure us from dangers by them If against what has been said that vulgar Objection be started That His Majesty must deal tenderly with the Papists at home else he will possibly disoblige his Popish Allies I answer this Objection is foppish are not all the Papists in these Kingdoms in the French Interest Have they not contributed most to that Kings present Greatness and Tyranny Are not all the Irish and several of the English Papists now in Arms against their Majesties Therefore the Rooting out or suppression of these is as serviceable to the Confederates at present and in future as the taking of Mentz or Bonn for these are they that direct their Majesties Arms from invading France yet were the Rebels Estates in Ireland by the Parliament declared forfeited as in 1641. It is demonstrable that money may be raised to reimburse His Majesties probable charge in that War which imploy'd against France will save much to this Kingdom gratify the Confederates and expedite the bringing down that French Tyrant 'T is certain there is a very ancient Prophecy in the Vatican at Rome which saith That that Mother Church falleth when in Ireland the Catholick Faith is overcome if it be duly pondered there is very much in it were these three Kingdoms once intire being free'd from the Effects of the Plots and Treasons of the Papists Popery would soon tumble in the World 't is pity we should be so stupid as to support that Chair by cherishing those vipers in our bosoms May their Majesties that have been the Instruments of so much good to these Nations have the Eternal honour to give this blow also to that Interest FINIS