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A69710 His Majesties message to the House of Commons concerning an order made by them for the borrowing of one hundered [sic] thousand pounds of the adventurers money for Ireland together with the answer of the House of Commons in Parliament thereunto. England and Wales. Sovereign (1625-1649 : Charles I); Charles I, King of England, 1600-1649.; England and Wales. Parliament. House of Commons. 1642 (1642) Wing C2477; Wing C2478; ESTC R212464 5,285 15

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His Majesties MESSAGE TO The House of COMMONS CONCERNING An Order made by them for the borrowing of One hundered thousand pounds of the Adventurers Money FOR IRELAND Together with the ANSWER OF The House of Commons in Parliament thereunto ORdered by the Commons in Parliament That this Message and Answer be forthwith Printed and published H. Elsynge Cler. Parl. D. Com. London Printed by LUKE NORTON and JOHN FIELD for E. Husband and J. Franck and are to be sold at their shops in the Middle-Temple and next door to the Kings-head in Fleetstreet September 6. 1642. C R HONI SOIT QVI MAL Y PENS DIEV ET MON DROIT HIS MAJESTES MESSAGE To the House of Commons HIs Majestie taking notice of an Order lately made by the House of Commons wherby that house hath unduly assumed to themselves Authority to order direct and dispose of One hundred thousand pounds part of those Moneys which the Adventurers for the redressing of the Rebells of Ireland have paid to that end onely to that purpose To other uses and intents contrary to the expresse words of the Act of Parliament concerning the same Wherein it is enacted That no part of the Money which should be paid in according to that Act shall be imployed to any other purpose then the reducing of those Rebells untill they shall be declared to be subdued out of His piety and Princely care for the confirming and re-establishment of Gods true Religion in that His Kingdom of Ireland For the relief of His distressed Subjects there for the suppressing of that horrid and bloody Rebellion for the supply and payment of His Armies there now in great want and necessity Doth strictly require the House of Commons as they will answer the contrary to Almighty God His Majestie and those that have trusted them That they immediately retract that mischievous Illegall and unjust Order wherein His Majestie expecteth their speedy Answer and Obedience And the rather that he may therby be secured that such part of the Four hundred thousand pounds as is or shall be collected from His good Subjects of England by vertue of the late Act of Parliament whereby the same is granted may not likewise under false pretences be diverted from its proper use for which it was intended and mis-imployed to the disturbance of the Peace of this Kingdom in a War against His Sacred Majestie THE ANSWER OF The House of Commons TO HIS MAJESTIES MESSAGE THe House of Commons having received a Message from His Majestie of the 13th of August last whereby they are required to retract an Order made by them for the borrowing of One hundred thousand pounds of the Adventurers Money for IRELAND supposing that Order very prejudiciall to the affairs of Ireland and contrary to an Act of Parliament made this present Session Do in the first place Declare That these directions given by His Majestie for the retracting of this Order is an high breach of Priviledge of Parliament And that they cannot without a deep sence of sorrow call to minde how Popish and Prelaticall Counsells did so far prevail with His Majestie that two Armies were brought within the bowels of this Kingdom and two Protestant Nations ready to welter in each others blood That when both those Armies had been a long time defrayed at the charge of the poor Commons of England and at length by Gods blessing upon the endeavours of the Parliament quietly disbanded the same wicked Counsells prevented of that design did soon after raise this bloody and barbarous Rebellion in Ireland The suppressing whereof for the better-colour was recommended to the care of the Parliament who out of a fellow-feeling of the unspeakable miseries of their Protestant Brethren there not suspecting this horrid Plot now too apparant did cheerfully undertake that great work and do really intend and indeavour to settle the Protestant Religion and a permanent Peace in that Realm to the glory of God and the great honour and profit of His Majestie and security of His three Kingdoms But how they have been discouraged retarded and diverted in and from this pious and glorious work by those Traiterous Counsells about His Majestie will appear by many particulars some whereof they shall upon this just occasion call to remembrance That when the Lords and Commons had upon the first breaking out of the Rebellion immediately provided sent over Twenty thousand pounds ingaged themselves and the whole Kingdom for the reducing of the Rebels Yet His Majestie after His return from Scotland to London was not either pleased by Word or Message to take notice of it untill after some in the House of Commons had truly observed how forward those mischievous Counsellours were to incite His Majestie against His Protestant Subjects of Scotland and how slow to recent the proceeding of His Papist Traitors in Ireland That although the Rebels had most impudently stiled themselves The Queens Army and profest that the cause of their rising was to maintain the Kings Prerogative and the Queens Religion against the Puritan Parliament of England And that thereupon both Houses of Parliament ●●d humbly and earnestly advice His Majestie to wipe away this dangerous scandall by proclaiming them Rebels and Traitors to His Majestie and the Crown of England which then would have mated and weakned the Conspirators in the beginning and have incouraged both the Parliament here and good people there the more vigorously to have opposed their proceedings Yet such was the power of those Counsells that no Proclamation was set forth to that purpose till almost three Moneths after the breaking out of this Rebellion and then command given that but 40 should be printed nor they published till further directions should be given by His Majestie That after both Houses of Parliament had found out a probable way to reduce the Kingdom of Ireland by the Adventure of private men without any charge to the Subject in generall and which they are very confident would have brought in a Million of Money had His Majestie continued in or neer London those malicious Whisperers that durst not hinder the passing of the Bill which was so specious in it self and so generally approved Yet have by practise by drawing His Majestie from His Parliament by keeping Him at this distance and advising Him to make war upon His people so intimidated and discouraged the Adventurers and others that would have adventured that they have rendred that good Bill in a maner ineffectuall That the Parliament and Adventurers had long since designed five thousand Foot and five hundred Horse for the relief of Munster to be sent as a Brigade under the command of the Lord Wharton had made choice and listed all the Commanders and prepared Money Arms and other Provision for that Expedition and all to be at the charge of the Adventurers And when nothing was wanting but a Commission to the Lord Wharton to enable him for that service such was the power of those Counsels that no
Commission could be obtained from His Majesty by reason whereof Lymrick was wholly lost the Province of Munster is now in very great distresse That when divers pious and well affected persons had prepared twelve Ships and six Pinnaces with a thousand or more Land-forces at their own charge by way of Adventure for the service of Ireland and desired nothing but a Commission from His Majesty to enable them thereunto that Commission after twice sending to York for the same and the Ships lying ready to set Sail for three weeks together at the charge of neer three hundred pound a day was likewise denyed and those Adventurers rather then to lose their Expedition were constrained to go by vertue of an Ordinance of both houses of Parliament That although the Lords Justices of Ireland have three months since earnestly desired to have two Pieces of Battery sent over as very necessary for that service yet such commands are given to the Ofcers of the Tower that none of His Majesties Ordnance must be sent to save His Majesties Kingdom That although whilst the Earl of Leicester stayed here in the Service of the Parliament and in providing for his long-expected Voyage into Ireland a Message was sent to the Parliament from His Majesty to hasten him away and Letters were written to the said Earl from His Majesty that he should make no stay at York for his dispatch but that his Instructions should be ready for him against he came And although it is notoriously known That the Affairs of Ireland do exceedingly suffer by wanting the personall assistance of a Commander in chief to give both life and motion to the Army there yet the said Earl hath been stayed with His Majesty in the North a month and more and as yet can get no dispatch That notwithstanding the bleeding condition of Ireland yet divers Commanders and Officers in pay and in actuall employment there against the Rebells have been called away from that important Service by the expresse Command of His Majesty as Charles Floyd Engineer and Quarter-Master Generall of the Army in Ireland and divers others That Captain Green Comptroller of the Artillery a man in pay and principally employed and trusted here by the Lord Lievtenant of Ireland for the providing and ordering the Train of Artillery which was to be sent to Dublin and who had received great Sums of money for that purpose was commanded from that employment and trust to serve His Majesty in this most unnaturall Warre against His loyall and best-affected people That the Parliament having made great provision of clothes for the poor Souldiers in Ireland for their present succour and sending six hundred suits part thereof towards Chester the last week the man that undertook the carriage of them one William Whitaker by name was assaulted by His Majesties Cavaliers then lying about Coventry who took away these six hundred suits of clothes and the Waggon and horses of the poor man although they were told that the six hundred suits of clothes were for the Souldiers in Ireland and notwithstanding the poor Catryer was five times with the Earl● of Northampton to beg a Release of his Waggon That three hundred suits of clothes with a Chirurgions Chest of Medicaments being likewise sent for Ireland by one Richard Owesi●●ds who was employed by the Parliament to carry them to Chester a troop of His Majesties Cavaliers under command of one Captain Middleton ●●me● with them upon the Road and took away the clothes and Chirurgions Chest together with the poor Carryers horses and Wagon for His Majesties pretended service here That a great number of draught horses prepared by the Parliament for the Artillery and Baggage of the Irish Army were sent to Chester for that purpose and being there attending a Passage are now required by His Majesty for His said present service in England That His Majesties Forces are so Quartered in and about the common Roads to Ireland that neither Money Clothes Victualls or other Provision can passe thither by Land with any safety That Captain Ketleby the Admirall and Sir Henry Stradling the Vice-Admirall of the Ships which were directly to lie upon the Coast of Ireland to annoy the Rebells and to prevent the bringing to them Ammunition and relief from Forraign Parts are both called away from that imployment by His Majesties command and by reason of their departure from the coast of Munster to which they were designed the Rebells there have received Powder Ammunition and other relief from forreign parts by which and many other particulars too long to relate it may seem as if those Barbarous Irish-Rebells are kept on foot and countenanced there of designe to assist the Northerne Cavaliers and according to the Earle of Straffords unheard of advice to have an Army in Ireland with which His Majesty may reduce this Kingdome especially considering those confident Rebells have presumed very lately to send a Petition to His Majesty intituling themselves His Majesties Catholike Subjects of Ireland and complaining of the Puritane Parliament of England and desiring that since His Majesty comes not thither according to their expectation that they may come into England to His Majesty Which Petition wee may justly feare is but a Prologue to that Tragedie they have designed to act here in case their coming over be not prevented by the care and vigilancy of the Parliament and good people of England But lest the House of Commons might seem to excuse the making of this Order by a way of Recrimination They for satisfaction to the world do protest before Almighty God the searcher of all hearts That they have as great compassion and sorrow for the present sufferings of their distressed brethren in Ireland as if themselves were in their case into which they are confident those horrid Traytors those Monsters of men about His Majesty do labour to bring this Kingdom That they have and shall ever really endeavour by all means possible with a due regard to the present estate of this Kingdō to supply support them in this their great affliction notwithstanding the malice and obstructions of all opposers That the House of Commons lively apprehending the imminent danger of this Kingdom and finding that whilst they were active here to subdue the Rebells of Ireland there were Papists Traytors and Delinquents more active in the North to conquer and destroy the Parliament and good people of England Thought it necessary to provide for the safety of both by preparing a competent Army for the defence of King and Kingdom And although multitudes of well-affected persons had cheerfully brought in great store of Plate for that purpose yet in regard the Plate could not be coyned with such expedition as the Importance of the service did require and well knowing that One hundred thousand pounds might for a short time be borrowed out of the Adventurers Money for Ireland without any prejudice to the Affairs of that Kingdom whose subsistence depends upon the well-fare of this and resolving to make a reall and speedy re-payment of what Money should be so borrowed did make this Order which that it may appear to all the world to be neither mischievous illegall nor unjust as His Majesty by the instigation of those malignant whisperers is pleased to tearm it the House of Commons thought fit to recite it in haec verba and in stead of retracting the Order to re-p●y the Money with all possible speed The 30 of July 1642 IT is this day Ordered by the Commons House of Parliament That the Treasurers appointed to receive the Monies come in upon the Subscriptions for Ireland do forthwith furnish by way of Loan unto the Committee of the Lords and Commons for the defence of the Kingdom the sum of one hundred thousand pounds for the supply of the publike necessity for the defence of the King Parliament and Kingdom upon the publike Faith to be re-paid duely and carefully within so short a time that it shall not be diverted from the purpose for which it was intended or any way frustrate the Acts already made in the behalf of that Adventure BY which Order and that which hath been here truely set down it will easily appear to all the indifferent people of His Majesties three Kingdoms whether the King and His Cavaliers or the King and His Parliament do most effect and endeavour the setling of true Religion and a firm and constant peace within that bleeding and distressed Kingdom FINIS