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A75411 An Answer to a question of a gentleman of quality (proposed to and made by a reverend and learned divine living in London) concerning the settlement or abolition of tithes by Parliament ... Spelman, Henry, Sir, 1564?-1641. Tithes too hot to be touched. 1646 (1646) Wing A3341B; ESTC R175467 23,795 29

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from the rich even against their good wills So that it was a breach of their Christian liberty belike to have a lock or a bolt on a doore to keep a peculiar possession of any thing from them And the liberty was more and more amplified according to the fancies of their dreaming doctors for their dreames were the oracles of their common people and every day they set forth their liberty in a new edition corrupted and augmented till all the partition walls of propriety were broken down and so not content to have other mens goods at their disposall and to be quit from payment of rents and debts having made a monopoly of Saintship to themselves they excommunicated all who were not of their faction both out of sacred society of the Church and out of common communion in the world as wicked and profane and unworthy not onely of livelyhood but of life also and usurped a power to a Promittebat auxilium quo viz. impiis interfectis novi substituerentur principes Magistratus namà Deo fibi mandatum esse profitebatur scil Muncerus ut sublatis illis constitueret novos Ibid. depose Prince and other Civill Magistrates as they pretended they had commission to kill them and to constitute new ones in their stead as they should thinke fit b Sathanas sub Evangelii praetextu multos hoc temporeseditiosos planè sanguinarios excitavit Doctores Sleydan Comment l. 5. fol. 72. See more of their Doctrine l. 10. principio and of their doings in the following discourse of the Author of the same booke Such seditious and sanguinary Doctors as Luther called them did Satan stirre up under the pretext of Euangelicall liberty a liberty which in them admitted of no bounds being like the c. oath without bankes or bottome of no rule or order being carried on with a wild and giddy violence such as the great and pernicious impostor of the world prompted them unto though they vented their diabolicall illusions under the Title of Divine Revelations as the Prince of darknesse made them believe when he put on his holy-day habit the appearance of an Angel of light 2 Cor. 11.14 6. That the payment of Tithes where there are the fruits of the earth and increase of cattell out of which they may be raised is the most equitable way and meanes of maintaining the Minister since such a gaine is not onely harmelesse and without sinne for the manner of acquisition which we cannot say of pensions and exhibitions made up out of trade or traffique but such as may be most permanent and constant since whether the Tithe be lesse or more it is still proportionable to the other nine parts and if the yeares be plentifull there is the more provision for house-keeping if scarce that part though lesse is the more in price and worth either for use in kind or for exchange for other commodities Whereas a rate in money which is competent in some places and at some times is incompetent in others such is the change both of monies and necessaries bought with money For money the time was when an ounce of silver now at 5. s. was valued but at 20. d. So in the Act of Parliament in the third of Edward the first Cokes Instit part 2. p. 410. when 20 markes a year was enough honourably to maintaine a Student at the Innes of Court Fortescue is his Commentary on the Lawes of England c. 49. p. 114. And this was held so great a charge as was to be borne onely by the sonnes of Noblemen and therefore they onely saith the same Author studyed the Lawes in those Innes Ibid. And of old the Revenues fit for a Knight was rated to 20. l. a yeare of a Baron to 400 markes a year and of an Earle 400. l. a year Cokes Instit l. 2. c. 3. Sect. 95. fol. 69. and Lindwood in his provinciall Constitutions notes upon the rate of a Vicarage for such by the fraud and rapine of the superior Popish Cleargy a Vicario perpetuum stipendium quinque marcarum statuitur nisi in partibus aliquibus Walliae ubi minore contenti sintd Lindwood constitut l. 1. de offic vicar fol. 46. p. 2 col 2. in Textu fol. 47. p. col 1. Sed in glos lit g. Augmentatio facta est ad 8 Marcas sed tamen alii qui non sunt contenti sine decem Marcis revera 5 Marcae non sufficiunt ad hospitalitatem alia Ibid. in glos lit g. were many times deprived of Tithes and put to pensions that it was to be 5 marks in England but in some parts of Wales they were content with lesse afterwards their meanes was augmented to 8 markes a year but some would not be contented with lesse then 10 marks a year and indeed saith the Glosse 5 markes was too little for Hospitality and other expences implying that 10 markes was sufficient for all occasions 2 As for money so for commodities to be bought with it the prices have been very various In the b See Polt Abridg Edict Londin 1640. p. 11. Statute entituled Assisa panis cervisiae made Anno 51 H. 3. and Anno Dom. 1266. the dearest rate for a quarter of wheate which in the middle of the Kingdome is a measure containing eight times four peckes I render it by that proportion because it is more generally knowne was 12. s. the cheapest 1. s. so that betwixt these two extreames the ordinary rate might be about 6. s. the quarter And for other provisions the rate set upon them in a dearth in the Reigne of Edward the second was this for an oxe fatted with grasse fifteene shillings for one fatted with corn twenty shillings the best cow twelve shillings a fat hogge of two yeares old three shillings a fat sheep shorne fourteen pence with the fleece twenty pence a fat goose two pence halfepenny a fat capon two pence halfepenny a fat henne a peny four pigeons a peny so that whosoever sold above should forfeit their ware to the King Dan. Hist l. 2. p. 209. And I well remember that not very many yeares agoe there was a controversie brought before the commissioners of charitable uses in Cheshire wherein was discovered the cheapnesse of things in former times the case was thus There was a legacy of twenty markes given to the parish of Wood-church in that County to buy oxen to till the ground of poore men with which small summe at the time of the donation about sevenscore yeares before were bought no fewer then twenty yoke of oxen which because the poore people were not able so to keep that they might be strong to labour it was thought fit to sell them and to buy in their stead as many milch kine as the mony would reach unto which were to be hired at a low rate to such as were not able to buy such cattell for themselves But it is yet a cheaper price we read of in Edward