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A59095 Table-talk, being discourses of John Seldon, Esq or his sense of various matters of weight and high consequence, relating especially to religion and state. Selden, John, 1584-1654. 1696 (1696) Wing S2438; ESTC R3639 74,052 204

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Wife 3. The Condition of the Clergy towards their Prince and the Condition of the Physician is all one The Physicians tell the Prince they have Agaric and Rubarb good for him and good for his Subjects Bodies upon this he gives them leave to use it but if it prove naught then away with it they shall use it no more So the Clergy tell the Prince they have Physick good for his Soul and good for the Souls of his People upon that he admits them But when he finds by Experience they both trouble him and his People he will have no more to do with them what is that to them or any body else if a King will not go to Heaven 4. A Clergy-man goes not a Dram further than this you ought to obey your Prince in general if he does he is lost how to obey him you must be inform'd by those whose Profession it is to tell you The Parson of the Tower a good discreet Man told Dr. Mosely who was sent to me and the rest of the Gentlemen committed the 3d Caroli to persuade us to submit to the King that they found no such Words as Parliament Habeas Corpus Return Tower c. Neither in the Fathers nor the Schoolmen nor in the Text and therefore for his part he believed he understood nothing of the Business A Satyr upon all those Clergy-men that meddle with Matters they do not understand 5. All confess there never was a more learned Clergy no Man taxes them with Ignorance But to talk of that is like the Fellow that was a great Wencher he wish'd God would forgive him his Leachery and lay Usury to his Charge The Clergy have worse Faults 6. The Clergy and Laity together are never like to do well 't is as if a Man were to make an excellent Feast and should have his Apothecary and his Physician come into the Kitchen The Cooks if they were let alone would make excellent Meat but then comes the Apothecary and he puts Rubarb into one Sauce and Agrick into another Sauce Chain up the Clergy on both sides High Commission 1. MEN cry out upon the High Commission as if the Clergy-Men only had to do in it when I believe there are more Lay-Men in Commission there than Clergy-Men if the Lay-Men will not come whose Fault is that So of the Star-Chamber the People think the Bishops only censur'd Prin Burton and Bastwick when there were but two there and one spake not in his own Cause House of Commons 1. THere be but two Erroneous Opinions in the House of Commons That the Lords sit only for themselves when the Truth is they sit as well for the Common-wealth The Knights and Burgesses sit for themselves and others some for more some for fewer and what is the Reason because the Room will not hold all the Lords being few they all come and imagine the Room able to hold all the Commons of England then the Lords and Burgesses would sit no otherwise than the Lords do The second Error is that the House of Commons are to begin to give Subsidies yet if the Lords dissent they can give no Money 2. The House of Commons is called the Lower House in twenty Acts of Parliament but what are twenty Acts of Parliament amongst Friends 3. The Form of a Charge runs thus I Accuse in the Name of all the Commons of England how then can any Man be as a Witness when every Man is made the Accuser Confession 1. IN time of Parliament it used to be one of the first things the House did to Petition the King that his Confessor might be removed as fearing either his Power with the King or else lest he should reveal to the Pope what the House was in doing as no doubt he did when the Catholick Cause was concerned 2. The Difference between us and the Papists is we both allow Contrition but the Papists make Confession a part of Contrition they say a Man is not sufficiently contrite till he confess his Sins to a Priest 3. Why should I think a Priest will not reveal Confession I am sure he will do any thing that is forbidden him haply not so often as I the utmost Punishment is Deprivation and how can it be proved that ever any Man revealed Confession when there is no Witness And no Man can be Witness in his own Cause A meer Gullery There was a time when 't was publick in the Church and that is much against their Auricular Confession Competency 1. THat which is a Competency for one Man is not enough for another no more than that which will keep one Man warm will keep another Man warm one Man can go in Doublet and Hose when another Man cannot be without a Cloak and yet have no more Cloaths than is necessary for him Great Conjunction THE greatest Conjunction of Satan and Jupiter happens but once in eight Hundred Years and therefore Astrologers can make no Experiments of it nor foretel what it means not but that the Stars may mean something but we cannot tell what because we cannot come at them Suppose a Planet were a Simple or an Herb how could a Physician tell the Vertue of that Simple unless he could come at it to apply it Conscience 1. HE that hath a Scrupulous Conscience is like a Horse that is not well weigh'd he starts at every Bird that flies out of the Hedge 2. A knowing Man will do that which a tender Conscience Man dares not do by reason of his Ignorance the other knows there is no hurt as a Child is afraid to go into the dark when a Man is not because he knows there is no Danger 3. If we once come to leave that outloose as to pretend Conscience against Law who knows what inconvenience may follow For thus Suppose an Anabaptist comes and takes my Horse I Sue him he tells me he did according to his Conscience his Conscience tells him all things are common amongst the Saints what is mine is his therefore you do ill to make such a Law If any Man takes another's Horse he shall be hang'd What can I say to this Man He does according to his Conscience Why is not he as honest a Man as he that pretends a Ceremony establish'd by Law is against his Conscience Generally to pretend Conscience against Law is dangerous in some Cases haply we may 4. Some Men make it a Case of Conscience whether a Man may have a Pidgeon-House because his Pidgeons eat other Folks Corn. But there is no such thing as Conscience in the Business the Matter is whether he be a Man of such Quality that the State allows him to have a Dove-House if so there 's an end of the Business his Pidgeons have a right to eat where they please themselves Consecrated Places 1. THE Jews had a peculiar way of consecrating things to God which we have not 2. Under the Law God who was Master of all made choice of a
fain see that Man that durst tell me there 's any thing I understand not 3. When the Pageants are a coming there 's a great thrusting and a riding upon one another's Backs to look out at the Window stay a little and they will come just to you you may see them quietly So 't is when a new States-man or Officer is chosen there 's great expectation and listning who it should be stay a while and you may know quietly 4. Missing Preferment makes the Presbyters fall foul upon the Bishops Men that are in hopes and in the way of rising keep in the Channel but they that have none seek new ways 'T is so amongst the Lawyers he that hath the Judges Ear will be very observant of the way of the Court but he that hath no regard will be flying out 5. My Lord Digby having spoken something in the House of Commons for which they would have question'd him was presently called to the upper House He did by the Parliament as an Ape when he hath done some waggery his Master spies him and he looks for his Whip but before he can come at him whip says he to the top of the House 6. Some of the Parliament were discontented that they wanted places at Court which others had got but when they had them once then they were quiet Just as at a Christning some that get no Sugar Plums when the rest have mutter and grumble presently the Wench comes again with her Basket of Sugar-plums and then they catch and scramble and when they have got them you hear no more of them Praemunire 1. THere can be no Praemunire A Praemunire so call'd from the word Praemunire facias was when a Man laid an Action in an Ecclesiastical Court for which he could have no remedy in any of the King's Courts that is in the Courts of Common Law by reason the Ecclesiastical Courts before Henry the Eighth were subordinate to the Pope and so it was contra coronam dignitatem Regis but now the Ecclesiastical Courts are equally subordinate to the King Therefore it cannot be contra coronam dignitatem Regis and so no Praemunire Prerogative 1. PRerogative is something that can be told what it is not something that has no Name Just as you see the Archbishop has his Prerogative Court but we know what is done in that Court So the King's Prerogative is not his will or what Divines make it a power to do what he lists 2. The King's Prerogative that is the King's Law For example if you ask whether a Patron may present to a Living after six Months by Law I answer no. If you ask whether the King may I answer he may by his Prerogative that is by the Law that concerns him in that case Presbytery 1. THey that would bring in a new Government would very fain perswade us they meet it in Antiquity thus they interpret Presbyters when they meet the word in the Fathers Other professions likewise pretend to Antiquity The Alchymist will find his Art in Virgil's Aureus ramus and he that delights in Opticks will find them in Tacitus When Caesar came into England they would perswade us they had Perspective-Glasses by which he could discover what they were doing upon the Land because it is said Positis Speculis the meaning is His Watch or his Sentinel discover'd this and this unto him 2. Presbyters have the greatest power of any Clergy in the World and gull the Laity most For Example admit there be twelve Laymen to six Presbyters the six shall govern the rest as they please First because they are constant and the others come in like Church-Wardens in their turns which is an huge Advantage Men will give way to them who have been in place before them Next the Laymen have other professions to follow the Presbyters make it their sole Business and besides too they learn and study the Art of perswading some of Geneva have confess'd as much 3. The Presbyter with his Elders about him is like a young Tree fenc'd about with two or three or four Stakes the Stakes defend it and hold it up but the Tree only prospers and flourishes it may be some Willow Stake may bear a Leaf or two but it comes to nothing Lay-Elders are Stakes the Presbyter the Tree that flourshes 4. When the Queries were sent to the Assembly concerning the Jus Divinum of Presbytery their asking time to answer them was a Satyr upon themselves For if it were to be seen in the Text they might quickly turn to the place and shew us it Their delaying to answer makes us think there 's no such thing there They do just as you have seen a fellow do at a Tavern Reckoning when he should come to pay his Reckoning he puts his Hands into his Pockets and keeps a grabling and a fumbling and shaking at last tells you he has left his Money at home when all the Company knew at first he had no Money there for every Man can quickly find his own Money Priests of Rome 1. THE Reason of the Statute against Priests was this In the beginning of Queen Elizabeth there was a Statute made that he that drew Men from their civil Obedience was a Traitor It happen'd this was done in privacies and confessions when there could be no proof therefore they made another Act that for a Priest to be in England was Treason because they presum'd that was his business to fetch Men off from their Obedience 2. When Queen Elizabeth dy'd and King James came in an Irish Priest does thus express it Elizabetha in orcum detrusa successit Jacobus alter Haereticus You will ask why they did use such Language in their Church Answ. Why does the Nurse tell the Child of raw Head and bloody Bones to keep it in awe 3. The Queen Mother and Count Rosset are to the Priests and Jesuits like the Honey Pot to the Flies 4. The Priests of Rome aim but at two Things to get Power from the King and Money from the Subject 5. When the Priests come into a Family they do as a Man that would set fire on a House he does not put fire to the Brick-Wall but thrusts it into the Thatch They work upon the Women and let the Men alone 6. For a Priest to turn a Man when he lies a dying is just like one that hath a long time solicited a Woman and cannot obtain his end at length makes her drunk and so lies with her Prophecies 1. DReams and Prophecies do thus much good they make a Man go on with boldness and courage upon a Danger or a Mistress if he obtains he attributes much to them if he miscarries he thinks no more of them or is no more thought of himself Proverbs 1. THE Proverbs of several Nations were much studied by Bishop Andrews and the Reason he gave was Because by them he knew the Minds of several Nations which is a brave thing as we count him
Temporal Lords Answ. We do not pretend they have that Power the same Way but they have a Right He that has an Office in Westminster-Hall for his Life the Office is as much his as his Land is his that hath Land by Inheritance 7. Whether had the inferior Clergy ever any thing to do in the Parliament Answ. No no otherwise than thus There were certain of the Clergy that used to assemble near the Parliament with whom the Bishops upon occasion might consult but there were none of the Convocation as 't was afterwards settled viz. the Dean the Arch-Deacon one for the Chapter and two for the Diocess but it happened by continuance of time to save Charges and Trouble their Voices and the Consent of the whole Clergy were involved in the Bishops and at this Day the Bishops Writs run to bring all these to the Parliament but the Bishops themselves stand for all 8. Bishops were formerly one of these two Conditions either Men bred Canonists and Civilians sent up and down Ambassadors to Rome and other Parts and so by their Merit came to that Greatness or else great Noble Men's Sons Brothers and Nephews and so born to govern the State Now they are of a low Condition their Education nothing of that way he gets a Living and then a greater Living and then a greater than that and so comes to govern 9. Bishops are now unfit to Govern because of their Learning they are bred up in another Law they run to the Text for something done amongst the Jews that nothing concerns England 't is just as if a Man would have a Kettle and he would not go to our Brazier to have it made as they make Kettles but he would have it made as Hiram made his Brass-work who wrought in Solomon's Temple 10. To take away Bishops Votes is but the beginning to take them away for then they can be no longer useful to the King or State 'T is but like the little Wimble to let in the greater Anger Objection But they are but for their Life and that makes them always go for the King as he will have them Answer This is against a Double Charity for you must always suppose a bad King and bad Bishops Then again whether will a Man be sooner content himself should be made a Slave or his Son after him when we talk of our Children we mean our selves besides they that have Posterity are more obliged to the King than they that are only for themselves in all the Reason in the World 11. How shall the Clergy be in the Parliament if the Bishops are taken away Answer By the Laity because the Bishops in whom the rest of the Clergy are included are sent to the taking away their own Votes by being involv'd in the major Part of the House This follows naturally 12. The Bishops being put out of the House whom will they lay the Fault upon now When the Dog is beat out of the Room where will they lay the Stink Bishops out of the Parliament 1. IN the beginning Bishops and Presbyters were alike like the Gentlemen in the Country whereof one is made Deputy Lieutenant and another Justice of Peace so one is made a Bishop another a Dean and that kind of Government by Arch-bishops and Bishops no doubt came in in imitation of the Temporal Government not Jure Divino In time of the Roman Empire where they had a Legatus there they placed an Arch-Bishop where they had a Rector there a Bishop that every one might be instructed in Christianity which now they had received into the Empire 2. They that speak ingeniously of Bishops and Presbyters say that a Bishop is a great Presbyter and during the time of his being Bishop above a Presbyter as your President of the Colledge of Physicians is above the rest yet he himself is no more than a Doctor of Physick 3. The Words Bishop and Presbyter are promiscuously used that is confessed by all and tho' the Word Bishop be in Timothy and Titus yet that will not prove the Bishops ought to have a Jurisdiction over the Presbyter tho' Timothy or Titus had by the Order that was given them some Body must take care of the rest and that Jurisdiction was but to Excommunicate and that was but to tell them they should come no more into their Company Or grant they did make Canons one for another before they came to be in the State does it follow they must do so when the State has receiv'd them into it What if Timothy had power in Ephesus and Titus in Creet over the Presbyters Does it follow therefore the Bishops must have the same in England Must we be govern'd like Ephesus and Creet 4. However some of the Bishops pretend to be Jure Divino yet the Practice of the Kingdom had ever been otherwise for whatever Bishops do otherwise than the Law permits Westminster-Hall can controul or send them to absolve c. 5. He that goes about to prove Bishops Jure Divino does as a Man that having a Sword shall strike it against an Anvil if he strikes it a while there he may peradventure loosen it tho' it be never so well riveted 't will serve to strike another Sword or cut Flesh but not against an Anvel 6. If you should say you hold your Land by Moses or God's Law and would try it by that you may perhaps lose but by the Law of the Kingdom you are sure of it so may the Bishops by this Plea of Jure Divino lose all The Pope had as good a Title by the Law of England as could be had had he not left that and claim'd by Power from God 7. There is no Government enjoyn'd by Example but by Precept it does not follow we must have Bishops still because we have had them so long They are equally mad who say Bishops are so Jure Divino that they must be continued and they who say they are so Antichristian that they must be put away all is as the State pleases 8. To have no Ministers but Presbyters 't is as in the Temporal State they should have no Officers but Constables Bishops do best stand with Monarchy that as amongst the Laity you have Dukes Lords Lieutenants Judges c. to send down the King's Pleasure to his Subjects so you have Bishops to govern the inferiour Clergy These upon occasion may address themselves to the King otherwise every Person of the Parish must come and run up to the Court. 9. The Protestants have no Bishops in France because they live in a Catholick Country and they will not have Catholick Bishops therefore they must govern themselves as well as they may 10. What is that to the purpose to what End were Bishops Lands given to them at first you must look to the Law and Custom of the Place What is that to any Temporal Lord's Estate how Lands were first divided or how in William the Conquerours Days And if Men
to command that is where he must be obeyed so is every Supream Power and Prince They that stretch his Infallibility further do they know not what 5. When a Protestant and a Papish dispute they talk like two Mad-men because they do not agree upon their Principles the one way is to destroy the Pope's Power for if he hath Power to command me 't is not my alledging Reasons to the contrary can keep me from obeying For Example if a Constable command me to wear a green Suit to Morrow and has Power to make me 't is not my alledging a hundred Reasons of the Folly of it can excuse me from doing it 6. There was a Time when the Pope had Power here in England and there was excellent Use made of it for 't was only to serve Turns as might be manifested out of the Records of the Kingdom which Divines know little of If the King did not like what the Pope would have he would forbid the Pope's Legate to land upon his Ground So that the Power was truly then in the King though suffered in the Pope But now the Temporal and the Spiritual Power Spiritual so call'd because ordain'd to a Spiritual End spring both from one Fountain they are like to twist that 7. The Protestants in France bear Office in the State because though their Religion be different yet they acknowledge no other King but the King of France The Papists in England they must have a King of their own a Pope that must do something in our Kingdom therefore there is no reason they should enjoy the same Priviledges 8. Amsterdam admits of all Religions but Papists and 't is upon the same Account The Papists where e'er they live have another King at Rome all other Religions are subject to the present State and have no Prince else-where 9. The Papists call our Religion a Parliamentary Religion but there was once I am sure a Parliamentary Pope Pope Urban was made Pope in England by Act of Parliament against Pope Clement The Act is not in the Book of Statutes either because he that compiled the Book would not have the Name of the Pope there or else he would not let it appear that they medled with any such thing but 't is upon the Rolls 10. When our Clergy preach against the Pope and the Church of Rome they preach against themselves and crying down their Pride their Power and their Riches have made themselves Poor and Contemptible enough they dedicate first to please their Prince not considering what would follow Just as if a Man were to go a Journey and seeing at his first setting out the Way clean and fair ventures forth in his Slippers not considering the Dirt and the Sloughs are a little further off or how suddenly the Weather may change Popery 1. THE demanding a Noble for a dead body passing through a a Town came from hence in time of Popery they carried the dead Body into the Church where the Priest said Dirgies and twenty Dirgies at four Pence a piece comes to a Noble but now it is forbidden by an Order from my Lord Marshal the Heralds carry his Warrant about them 2. We charge the Prelatical Clergy with Popery to make them odious tho' we know they are guilty of no such thing Just as heretofore they call'd Images Mammets and the Adoration of Images Mammetry that is Mahomet and Mahometry odious Names when all the World knows the Turks are forbidden Images by their Religion Power State 1. THere is no stretching of Power 't is a good Rule Eat within your Stomach Act within your Commission 2. They that govern most make least Noise You see when they row in a Barge they that do drudgery-work slash and puff and sweat but he that governs sits quietly at the Stern and scarce is seen to stir 3. Syllables govern the World 4. All Power is of God means no more than Fides est servanda When St. Paul said this the People had made Nero Emperour They agree he to command they to obey Then Gods comes in and casts a hook upon them keep your Faith then comes in all Power is of God Never King dropt out of the Clouds God did not make a new Emperour as the King makes a Justice of Peace 5. Christ himself was a great observer of the Civil Power and did many things only justifiable because the State requir'd it which were things meerly Temporary for the time that State stood But Divines make use of them to gain Power to themselves as for Example that of Die Ecclesiae tell the Church there was then a Sanhedrim a Court to tell it to and therefore they would have it so now 6. Divines ought to do no more than what the State permits Before the State became Christian they made their own Laws and those that did not observe them they Excommunicated naughty men they suffered them to come no more amongst them But if they would come amongst them how could they hinder them By what Law by what Power they were still subject to the State which was Heathen Nothing better expresses the Condition of Christians in those times than one of the meetings you have in London of Men of the same Country of Sussex-Men or Bedfordshire-Men they appoint their Meeting and they agree and make Laws amongst themselves He that is not there shall pay double c. and if any one mis-behave himself they shut him out of their Company But can they recover a Forfeiture made concerning their Meeting by any Law Have they any power to compel one to pay but afterwards when the State became Christian all the Power was in them and they gave the Church as much or as little as they pleas'd and took away when they pleas'd and added what they pleas'd 7. The Church is not only subject to the Civil Power with us that are Protestants but also in Spain if the Church does Excommunicate a Man for what it should not the Civil Power will take him out of their Hands So in France the Bishop of Angiers alter'd something in the Breviary they complain'd to the Parliament at Paris that made him alter it again with a comme abuse 8. the Parliament of England has no Arbitrary Power in point of Judicature but in point of making Law only 9. If the Prince be servus natura of a servile base Spirit and the Subjects liberi Free and Ingenuous oft-times they depose their Prince and govern themselves On the contrary if the People be Servi Natura and some one amongst them of a Free and Ingenuous Spirit he makes himself King of the rest and this is the Cause of all changes in State Common-wealths into Monarchies and Monarchies into Common-wealths 10. In a troubled State we must do as in foul Weather upon the Thames not think to cut directly through so the Boat may be quickly full of Water but rise and fall as the Waves do give as much as conveniently we can
Parliament was wary what Subsidies they gave to the King because they had no account but now they care not how much they give of the Subjects Money because they give it with one hand and receive it with the other and so upon the matter give it themselves In the mean time what a case the Subjects of England are in if the Men they have sent to the Parliament mis-behave themselves they cannot help it because the Parliament is Eternal 2. A Subsidy was counted the fifth part of a Man's Estate and so fifty Subsidies is five and forty times more than a Man is Worth Simony 1. THE Name of Simony was begot in the Canon-Law the first Statute against it was in Queen Elizabeth's time Since the Reformation Simony has been frequent One reason why it was not practised in time of Popery was the Pope's provision no Man was sure to bestow his own Benefice Ship-Money 1. MR. Noy brought in Ship-money first for Maritine Towns but that was like putting in a little Augur that afterwards you may put in a greater He that pulls down the first Brick does the main Work afterwards 't is easie to pull down the Wall 2. They that at first would not pay Ship-money till 't was decided did like brave Men though perhaps they did no good by the Trial but they that stand out since and suffer themselves to be distrained never questioning those that do it do pitifully for so they only pay twice as much as they should Synod Assembly 1. WE have had no national Synod since the Kingdom hath been settled as now it is only Provincial and there will be this inconveniency to call so many Divines together 't will be to put Power in their Hands who are too apt to usurp it as if the Laity were bound by their Determination No let the Laity consult with Divines on all sides hear what they say and make themselves Masters of their Reasons as they do by any other profession when they have a Difference before them For Example Gold-smiths they enquire of them if such a Jewel be of such a Value and such a Stone of such a Value hear them and then being rational Men judge themselves 2. Why should you have a Synod when you have a Convocation already which is a Synod Would you have a superfetation of another Synod The Clergy of England when they cast off the Pope submitted themselves to the Civil Power and so have continued but these challenge to be Jure Divino and so to be above the Civil Power these challenge Power to call before their Presbyteries all Persons for all Sins directly against the Law of God as proved to be Sins by necessary Consequence If you would buy Gloves send for a Glover or two not Glovers-Hall consult with some Divines not send for a Body 3. There must be some Laymen in the Synod to over-look the Clergy lest they spoil the civil Work Just as when the good Woman puts a Cat into the Milk-House to kill a Mouse she sends her Maid to look after the Cat lest the Cat should eat up the Cream 4. In the Ordinance for the Assembly the Lords and Commons go under the Names of learned godly and judicious Divines there is no Difference put betwixt them and the Ministers in the Context 5. 'T is not unusual in the Assembly to revoke their Votes by reason they make so much haste but 't is that will make them scorn'd You never heard of a Council revok'd an Act of its own making they have been wary in that to keep up their Infallibility if they did any thing they took away the whole Council and yet we would be thought Infallible as any Body 'T is not enough to say the House of Commons revoke their Votes for theirs are but Civil Truths which they by agreement create and uncreate as they please But the Truths the Synod deals in are Divine and when they have voted a thing if it be then true 't was true before not true because they voted it nor does it cease to be true because they voted otherwise 6. Subscribing in a Synod or to the Articles of a Synod is no such terrible thing as they make it because If I am of a Synod 't is agreed either tacitely or expresly That which the major part determines the rest are involv'd in and therefore I subscribe though my own private Opinion be otherwise and upon the same Ground I may without scruple subscribe to what those have determin'd whom I sent though my private Opinion be otherwise having respect to that which is the Ground of all assemblies the Major part carries it Thanksgiving 1. AT first we gave Thanks for every Victory as soon as ever 't was obtained but since we have had many now we can stay a good while We are just like a Child give him a Plum he makes his Leg give him a second Plum he makes another Leg At last when his Belly is full he forgets what he ought to do then his Nurse or some body else that stands by him puts him in mind of his Duty Where 's your Leg Tythes 1. TYthes are more paid in kind in England than in all Italy and France In France they have had Impropriations a long time we had none in England till Henry the Eighth 2. To make an Impropriation there was to be the Consent of the Incumbent the Patron and the King then 't was confirm'd by the Pope Without all this the Pope could make no Impropriation 3. Or what if the Pope gave the Tythes to any Man must they therefore be taken away If the Pope gives me a Jewel will you therefore take it away from me 4. Abraham paid Tythes to Melchizedeck what then 'T was very well done of him It does not follow therefore that I must pay Tythes no more than I am bound to imitate any other Action of Abraham's 5. 'T is ridiculous to say the Tythes are God's Part and therefore the Clergy must have them Why so they are if the Laymen has them 'T is as if one of my Lady Kent's Maids should be sweeping this Room and another of them should come and take away the Broom and tell for a Reason why she should part with it 'T is my Lady's Broom As if it were not my Lady's Broom which of them soever had it 6. They consulted in Oxford where they might find the best Argument for their Tythes setting aside the Jus Divinum they were advis'd to my History of Tythes a Book so much cry'd down by them formerly in which I dare boldly say there are more Arguments for them than are extant together any where Upon this one writ me word That my History of Tythes was now become like Pleus's Hasta to wound and to heal I told him in my Answer I thought I could fit him with a better Instance 'T was possible it might undergo the same Fate that Aristotle Avicen and Averroes did in France