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A52036 An answer to a booke entitvled An hvmble remonstrance in which the originall of liturgy, episcopacy is discussed : and quares propounded concerning both : the parity of bishops and presbyters in Scripture demonstrated : the occasion of their imparity in antiquity discovered : the disparity of the ancient and our moderne bishops manifested : the antiquity of ruling elders in the church vindicated : the prelaticall church bownded / written by Smectymnvvs. Smectymnuus.; Milton, John, 1608-1674. 1641 (1641) Wing M748; ESTC R21898 76,341 112

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which possibly they can and dare either oppose themselves against it or deferre and hinder it The deficiencie of zeale and courage even in those Bishops who afterwards proved Martyrs witnesse the sharp contention of Ridley against Hooper for the ceremonies And the importunate suit of Cranmer and Ridley for tolleration of the Masse for the Kings sister which was rejected by the Kings not only reasons but teares whereby the young King shewed more zeale then his best Bishops 839. The inhumane butcheries blood-sheddings and cruelties of Gardiner Bonner and the rest of the Bishops in Queene Maries dayes are so fresh in every mans memory as that we conceive it a thing altogether unnecessary to make mention of them Onely wee feare least the guilt of the blood then shed should yet remaine to be required at the hands of this Nation because it hath not publikely endeavoured to appease the wrath of God by a generall and solemne humiliation for it What the practises of the Prelats have beene ever since from the beginning of Queene Elizabeth to this present day would fill a volume like Ezekiels roule with lamentation mourning and woe to record For it hath beene their great designe to hinder all further reformation to bring in doctrines of Popery Arminianisme and Libertinisme to maintaine propagate and much encrease the burden of humane ceremonies to keepe out and beate downe the Preaching of the Word to silence the faithfull Preachers of it to oppose and persecute the most zealous professours and to turne all Religion into a pompous out-side And to tread downe the power of godlinesse Insomuch as it is come to an ordinary Proverb that when any thing is spoyled wee use to say The Bishops foot hath beene in it And in all this and much more which might be said fulfilling Bishop Bonners Prophesie who when hee saw that in King Edwards reformation there was a reservation of ceremonies and Hierarchy is credibly reported to have used these words Since they have begun to tast of our Broath it will not be long ere they will eat of our Beefe FINIS 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Pag. 23. Pag. 1. Pag. 2. Pag. 3. Pag. 6. Pag. 2. Pag 7. Vntruths R●mo●● pag 8. Malmesbury lib. 4. Hist. Concil Trid. Pag. 9. Liturgie Pag. 10. a Ad hoc malarum dev●lutae est Ecclesia Dei spon●a Christi ut haereticorum exempla Sectentu● ad celebranda Sacramenta coelestia disciplinam Lux mu●uetur de teneb●●● ●d faciant christiani quod Antichristi faciunt Cypr. Ep. 74. Page 13. Iust. Mar. Apost 2. Tert. Ap. ad Gen. c. 39. Iust. Mar. Apost 2. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Concil La. Can. 18. Conc. Carth. 3. Can. 23. Anno 397. Conc. Milev 2. Can. 12. An. 416. Pag. 10. Pag. 12. Pag. 18. Pag. 11. Euseb. de vit Con. li 4. cap. 18. Pag. 11. Pag. 12. Pag. 12. Pag. 13. D. Corbet M. Novel Pag. 13. Pag. 13. Pag. 13 14. Abbot against Church ●o●sakers Ob. Answ. Pag. 17. Pag. 17. Pag. 17. * Pag. 2. a One of these Sonnes of the Church of England whose messenger this Remonstrance is was he who swore by the Eternall God he would be the death of those that did appeare to move against the grievances of Episcopacy and if the rest of these Millions mentioned pag. 2. whos 's thousands are so punctually calculated p. 41 be of his spirit they are an army of very peaceable right-affected men Pag. 7. Evaristus 100. Dionysius 260. Some say 267. as Pol. Virg. Ioh. Maior l. 2. Hist. de gest Scot. Cap. 2. Heylins Geog. p. 55. Gener. Hist. of Spain l. 22 Pag. 9. Pag. 18. Pag. 18. Pag. 18. a Frustra consuetudinē nobis opponunt quasi consuetudo major sit v●ri●tate aut non id sit in spiritualibus s●quendu● quod in melius ●uerit à Spiritu Sancto R●velatum Cypr Ep. 73. b It is well observed by Gerha●d that a Bishop ●hrasi Apostolicâ that is a Bishop that is the same with a Presbyter is of fifteene hundred yeares standing but a Bishop ●hrosi Pon● si●iâ that is a distinct order superiour to a Presbyter invested with sole power of Ordination and Iurisdiction is but a Novell Invention● Pag. 19. Pag. 19. a What the establishment of Episcopacy by the Lawes i● and upon what grounded the learned Sir Edward Cooke informes us who reports That in an Act of Parliament holden at Carlile in the 25. yeare of Edw. 1. it is de●lared that the holy Church of England was founded in the state of Prelacy within the Realme of England by the King and h●s Progenitours c. for them to info●me the people in the Law of God and to keep ●ospitality and give alme● and do other workes of charity And the said Kings in times past were wont to have their advise and counsell for the safe-guard of the Realme when they had need of such Prelates and Clarkes so advanced Cooke de jure Regis Ecclesiast●co But whether Bishops have observed the Orders of their first foundation c. Pag. 19 20. Pag. 21. Pag. 8. Pag. 24. Hierony Ep. ad Euag. ad Ocea Iren. adver haer l. 4. cap. 43.44 Hist. Lib. 5. Cap. 23. Bellarm. de Cleric Lib. 1. cap. 15. a Presbyte 〈◊〉 secut Ep●s●●pis 〈…〉 D●icommissa est Presunt eum Ecclesiae Christi in Consecrat●one Domi●ici 〈…〉 cons●r●es 〈…〉 E●i●copis 〈◊〉 in Doctrina Populorum in 〈…〉 propt●r autorit●tem summo Sacerdott Clericorum Ordina●io reserv●●a ●st Co●●● 1 〈◊〉 pri● m Can. 8. E●●ngeli●m ●●but his qui prae●unt Ecclesie Ma●●atum docendi Evang●lii rem●tt●●di pec●●●● adm●●●stra●di Sa●ramenta prae●erea jurisdictionem videlicet Ma●datum Excomm●n●andi cos q●●rum 〈◊〉 sunt crimina Resipiscen es rursum absolvendi Ac Oma●● 〈◊〉 etiam advers●rioru● 〈◊〉 hinc potesta●em Jare Divino comm●● 〈…〉 qui presant Ecclesiae sive Pastores vo●●atur sive Presbyteri Sive E●is●opi S●rip●●● Philip. Melanch in Conventu Smalcald Anno. 1540. a precipuis illar●m Ecclesiarum Dictoribus commani Consensu comprobatum de potestate jurisdictione Episc●porum 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Ierom. Isa. 3. Igna. Epis. ad Magnes Conc. Ancyr Can. 18. Pag. 20. Tertull. a At ubi omnia ●oca Circumplexa est Ecclesia ●Conventicula con●itula sunt caeperunt R●ctores Caetera Ossi●●a in Ecclesia sunt ordinata Caepit aliot ordine Providentia g●bernari Ecclesia Ideo non per omnia conveniunt Sc●ipta Apostoli ordinationi quae nunc in Ecclesia est quia haec inter i●sa primordia scripta sunt Na● Timothe●m à se Presbyterum Creatum Episcopam v●ca● c. Sed quia cae●erunt sequentes Presbyteri indigns inventri ad pruratus t●nendos immu●ata est 〈◊〉 c. Hierom ad Evag. Ambros. ubi prius Grego Naz. Orat. 28. Pag. 21.22 Greg. Nazi vbi prius Pag. 22. Pag. 23. Pag. 23. a Plebs ipsa Maximè habet potestatem vel Eligendi Dignos Sacerdotes vel indignos
Kingdomes yea all the neighbour Churches and if we may say the whole Christian world and no small part beyond it had rung with the lowd cryes of no lesse then Treason Treason Truth is in his Antiquity we find that this his uninterrupted sacred Government hath so far invaded the Civill and so yoked Monarchy even in this Kingdome as Malmesbury reports That William Rufus oppressed by Bishops perswaded the Iewes to confute them promising thereupon to turne England to their Religion that he might be free of Bishops And this is so naturall an effect of unalterable Episcopacy that Pius ●he fourth to the Spanish Embassadour importuning him to permit Bishops to bee declared by the Councell of Trent to be Iure Divino gave this answer That his King knew not what he did desire for if Bishops should be so declared they would be all exempted from his Power and as indepedent as the Pope himselfe The second thing observable is the comparison hee makes betweene the late Alterations attempted in our Neighbour Church by his Episcopall faction and that Alteration that is now justly desired by the humble petitioners to this Honourable House The one being attempted by strangers endevouring violently to obtrude Innovations upon a setled Church and State The other humbly petitioned to the Heads and Princes of our State by Multitudes therein almost ruined by an Innovating Faction yet doth not this Remonstrant blush to say if these be branded so he cals the just censures of this Honorable House For Incendiaries how shall these Boutefeux escape c. thus cunningly indeavouring either to justifie the former by the practise of the latter or to render the latter more odious then the former The attempts of these men whom he would thus render odious hee craves leave to present to your Honours in two things which are the subjects of this quarrell The Liturgie and Episcopacy and we humbly crave your Honours leave in both to answer SECT II. FIrst the Liturgie of the Church of England saith he hath bin hitherto esteemed sacred reverently used by holy Martyrs daily frequented by devout Protestants as that which more then once hath been confirmed by the Edicts of religious Princes and your own Parliamentary Acts c. And hath it so whence then proceed these many Additions and Alterations that have so changed the face and fabrick of the Liturgie that as Dr. Hall spake once of the pride of England if our fore-fathers should revive and see their daughters walking in Cheapside with their fannes and farthingales c. they would wonder what kinde of creatures they were and say Nature had forgot her selfe and brought forth a monster so if these holy Martyrs that once so reverently used the Liturgy should revive and looke for their Letany stampt by Authority of Parliament they would be amased and wondering say England had forgotten her selfe and brought forth c. Martyrs what doe we speake of Martyrs when we know Sir that one of your owne Bishops said it in the hearing of many not so long since but you may well remember it That the service of the Church of England was now so drest that if the Pope should come and see it he would claime it as his owne but that it is in English It is little then to the advantage of your cause that you tell us it is translated into other languages and as little service have they done to the Church of England who have taught our Prayers to speake Latine againe For if it be their Language chiefly that overthrowes the Popes claime take away that and what hinders then but the Pope may say these are mine As for other Translations and the great applause it hath obtained from Forraigne Divines which are the fumes this Remonstrant venditates what late dayes have produced we know not but the great lights of Former ages have beene farre from this applauding we are sure judicious Calvine saith that in the Liturgy there are sundry Tolerabiles Ineptiae which we thinke is no very great applause To vindicate this Liturgy from scorne as he calles it at home or by your Honours aide to reinforce it upon the Nation is the worke of his Remonstrance for the effecting whereof he falls into an unparallell'd discourse about the Antiquity of Liturgies we call it unparalleld because no man that we have seene ever drew the line of Liturgy so high as he hath done Concerning which if by Liturgy this Remonstrant understand an Order observed in Church assemblies of Praying reading and expounding the Scriptures Administring Sacraments c. Such a Liturgy we know and do acknowledge both Iewes and Christians have used But if by Liturgy hee understand prescribed and stinted formes of Administration Composed by some particular men in the Church and imposed upon all the rest as this he must understand or else all hee saith is nothing wee desire and expect that those formes which he saith are yet extant and ready to be produced might once appeare Liturgy of this former sort we finde in Iustine Martyr and Tertullian But that there were not such stinted Liturgies as this Remonstrant disputes for appeares by Tertullian in his Apol. Cap. 30. where he saith the Christians of those times did in their publique assemblies pray sine monitore qui● de pectore without any Prompter but their own hearts And that so it should be the same Father proves in his Treatise de Oratione S●●nt quae petantur c. There are some things to be asked according to the occasions of every man the lawfull ordinary prayer tha● is the Lords Prayer being laid as a foundation It is lawfull to build upon that foundation other prayers according to every ones occasions And to the same purpose S. Austin in his 121. Ep. Liberum est c. it is free to aske the same things that are desired in the Lords Prayer aliis atque aliis verbis sometimes one way and sometimes another And before this in that famous place of Iust. Mar. Apo. 2. He who instructed the people prayed according to his ability Nor was this liberty in prayer taken away and set and imposed formes introduced untill the time that the Arian and Pelagian Heresies did invade the Church and then because those Hereticks did convey and spreade their poyson in their formes of Prayer and Hymnes the Church thought it convenient to restraine the liberty of making and using publike formes And first it ordained that none should pray pro Arbitrio sed semper eaedem preces that none should use liberty to vary in prayer but use alwaies the same forme Conc. Laod. Can. 18. yet this was a forme of his owne composing as appeares by another Canon wherein it was ordered thus None should use any forme unlesse he had first conferred Cum fratribus instructioribus with the more learned of his brethren Conc. Carth. 3. Can. 23. and lastly that none should use set