promotion which was competible but to a few So the second inconvenience pressed parag 13.14.15 is avoided also parag 16. All the inconvenience you say that Master Geree presseth is that we are not subject to the Parliament But how far forth we are and are not we shall hear anon Parag. 17.18 You tell me I speak much of a first and ' second oath I answer if that be an error I was led into it by my first Opponent that distinguish'd between oath and oath and the oath to maintain the priviledges of the Clergie he saith expresly is taken after the oath to the whole Realm neither do I see any thing in your Analysis of the oath here or the delineation of the oath in the beginning of your Book that invalidates the expression of my Opponent in realitie though in some formalitie it doth For there I see that the King had particularly and distinctly engaged himself to the whole Realm before he came to the Bishops which are the onely part of the Clergie about whom our controversie is and what he last promises to them confirmed by his oath must not contradict what he hath promised to the other which promise must be understood to have a prioritie in order in the bond of the oath as well as in the bond of the promise Parag. 19. You speak of sending us to Magna Charta to know who the People and Commons of this Kingdom are c. whith only fills up so much paper being nothing to the question in hand But Parag. 20. You reckon up the Priviledges of the Church as you have gleaned them out of Magna Charta and Sir Edward Cook in number 8. The second is that no Ecclesiasticall person be amerced according to the value of his Ecclesiasticall benefice but according to his lay-tenement and according to the quality of his offence The latter clause is reason the former a priviledg without reason and prejudiciall to the Civill state and gives many Ecclesiastical persons leave to sin impunè The fourth That all Ecclesiasticall persons shall enjoy all their lawfull jurisdictions and other rights wholly without any diminution or substraction whatsoever I pray you if the Kings Coronation-oath engage so to the confirmation of this priviledg that the king cannot consent to allow it by Act of Parliament how can that act be justified that enables the Crown of England to appoint what persons else they will to execute all Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction in this kingdom If that statute were lawfully made notwithstanding this oath why then may not another statute be made against their standing sith by the former they may be made unusefull and yet the former you brag you have engaged your selves to maintain in your oath of supremacie Parag. 9. The fifth priviledg you name is that a Bishop is regularly the Kings immediate Officer to the Kings Court of justice in causes Ecclesiasticall Whence I gather that by our law a Bishop is a kings creature no Apostle for he was the immediate Officer of Christ though subject in doing or suffering to the Civill Magistrate though heathen You conclude that it is provided by act of Parliament that if any judgment be given contrary to any points in the great Charter it shall be holden for nought c. True unless it be upon some particular statute of a latter Parliament with the king enacting things to the contrarie Parag. 21. You say that I go forward as if it were certain that this to the Clergie was a severall oath from that to the people I answer I disputed upon my opponents proposals and learned opponents do not use to make their cause worse then it is nor indeed doth he for though the king swear but once yet he ptomiseth the things he sweareth severally and the promise of this to the Bishops in question is last and therefore in competition must give way to other engagements neither do the statutes for confirmation of Magna Charta binde the hands of succeeding Parliaments Whose hands as the leaaned Chancellor Bacon observes cannot be bound by their Predecessors if they see reason of alteration a supream and absolute power saith he cannot conclude it self Hist of H. 7. p. 145. CHAP. X. PARAG. 3. Shewing that the Clergie are equally under the Parliament as well as Laytie in answer to Doctor Boughen's 9. Chapter I Now come to answer your ninth Chapter which is an angrie one which makes me think that you were sorely puzled My Dilemma is They are subject to the Parliament or they are not He answers subject they are to the Parliament consisting of head and members not to the members alone without the head for we are subject to the members only for the heads sake Truly this grant is all that I desire or need for the Parliament I propose the Dilemma about is that which consists of head and members united to which if they be subject then may these joyntly determine of any of their priviledges in their own nature alterable as they do of those of the people Indeed the King and Parliament ought not to take away any priviledges that are for edification but such as prove impediments rather but of that they are to be Judges in the application of their power and that 's all needfull to be said to parag 1 2 3 4 5. And yet I leave it with confidence to the judicious Reader as also what I have said in the former Paragraph touching a former and latter oath But whereas you ask Parag. 6. with what face I can say that the Kings oath to the Clergie is inconsistent with his oath to the people parag 6. I wonder with what face you can aver it when as I directly say it must not and therefore take off an interpretation of it that would make it inconsistent whereas you say the nation is weary of the Presbyterian government in three years it s but a piece of none-sence sith this three years except a little liveless shew in the City of London and some few places more the truth is and our miserie is that we have been under no Ecclesiasticall government at all Parag. 7. You mention my words if the oath had such a sence when the Clergie were a distinct Corporation on which you spend your judgment if you know what sence is Truly Sir you are the worst at picking out sence that ever I knew of a D. D. My meaning is plain if the oath had a sence to exempt them from power of Parliament it must be when they were a distinct Corporation under another Supremacie which now you disclaim Parag. 8. You mistake in saying I am zealous in distinguishing you and your Priviledges I answer to the distinction brought by my opponent that it is not such but that the Priviledges of Clergie and People I mean such as are alterable are equally under Parliamentarie power for alteration on just grounds And the kings oath to you is as obligatorie as to the people in the right
sence and intention of it which the review of the Covenant saith is all the obligation of an oath Parag. 9. You speak about the change of the condition of the Clergie as though the intent were to make it slavery Sure Sir it s far from my intent The English Laytie are not slaves He that saith the Priviledges of the English Clergie that they hold by law are inviolable to them while the law remains but that the laws concerning them are alterable makes them not slaves but equall in freedom to any English Lay-subject But Parag. 10. You would pretend to a little subtiltie for you say the change of the Clergies condition from Popery to Protestancy was for the better or for the worse I answer undoubtedly for better morally for now we are in Christs way Let every soul be subject c. Rom. 13.1 Then we were in Anti-Christs way but yet in a civill respect we have not such exemptions or liberties as we had we are more under uncivil power but this is for the better for that libertie that is without Gods leave is not indeed a priviledg but a snare to the partie holding it I confess with you that the intent of the Kings oath was to protect his subjects in their severall places dignities and degrees and not to suffer them to oppress one another but not to deny any Bill that upon advisement shall be presented and manifested to conduce to the weal publique You proceed Parag. 11. The intention of the oath is to maintain the ancient legall and the just rights of the Clergie I have answered it is to maintain them against illegall oppression but not against legall alteration that you should prove but do not The continual practice of the nation is with me wherein by divers statutes many Canonical Priviledges have been altered as 25. H. 8. all Canonicall Priviledges contrariant to the Kings Prerogative and civil laws and 1 of Elizabeth in giving power to the Crown to exercise all Ecclesiasticall jurisdiction by whom she will appoint and this is all that I affirm that Priviledges are alterable by an orderly way in Parliament and therefore you may take the Ghostly Fathers place to the man of sin which you would bequeath to me you are fitter to serve the Pope then I you hold no Bishop no Church but such passions I look at but as winchings when an argument pincheth For Parag. 12. I consent to Sir Edward Cook in his opinion of the Kings engagement to maintain the rights and inheritance of the Church nor is he against my limitation for it s known what his opinion was of the power of Parliaments That they might alter what ever they saw inconvenient to publikeweal In your parag 12. You wilfully slander me that I would perswade the Laytie that the Clergies weal is their woe I only affirm that if all such Priviledges of the Clergie that are in their nature alterable be made unalterable by the kings oath that let the kingdom sink or swim the King cannot consent by Act of Parliament to alter them then are they inconsistent with the people and this I say again And I am carried thereto by evidence of truth and not any caninus appetitus after wealth and honour Those that know me will but laugh at your rashness in these mistaken calumnies The former part of your 14. Parag. is passionate non-sense the latter part is a contradiction for you say if this oath be not against legall alteration in the true and literal sense c. The King may not without violation of his oath pass a Bill for the abolition of Episcopacie What I pray you is legall alteration of any thing here in England but alteration by consent of the King and Parliament How can this oath then if it be not against a legall alteration be against an alteration by Bill in Parliament which is the only legall alteration of Priviledges founded on law in England you are the strangest opponent that ever I met with you make nothing of giving the cause and railing at me for carrying it To as little purpose is all you conclude with parag 15. Whereas I say he may pass a Bill you wonder I say not he must pass a Bill you add I say that which is equivalent He cannot now deny consent without sin but yet Sir this must arise not from any authoritie of the Houses but from the condition of the King to preserve or restore peace to his kingdoms For the kings negative voice I alwaies asserted it as well as you both in word and writing but I affirm he hath power of an affirmative voice to confirm any thing that is for good of his people which he hath not nor ought not to swear away It may be you will say true if abolition of Episcopacie were for the good of the nation I answer that 's to pass to another question and to grant this in hand but besides the King and Parliament are to judg of the goodness of it for the nation and if they erre they are answerable to God alone Case of Conscience resolved SEcondly I answer from the expressions of the oath it self as they are set down by the same Author pag. 74. To protect the Bishops and their Priviledges to his power as every good king in his kingdom ought to protect and defend the Bishops and Churches under their government Here you see the engagement of the king is but to his power as every good King ought in right to protect c. Now such power is no further then he can do it without sinning against God and being injurious to the rest of his people When then he hath interposed his authoritie for them and put forth all the power he hath to preserve them if after all this he must let them fall or support them with the bloud of his good subjects and those unwilling too to engage their lives for the others priviledges I think none need question but that he hath gone to the extent of his power and as far as good Kings are bound in right for it is not equall to engage the lives of some to uphold the honours of others That were to be cruel to many thousands to be indulgent to a few Suppose a king put a Commander into a City and give him an oath to maintain the Priviledges of it and keep it for him to his power and this Commander keeps this town till he hath no more strength to hold it unless he force the Townes-men to arms against that priviledg which he hath sworn to maintain If this Governor now surrender this town upon composition doth he violate his oath I think none will affirm it Such is the case with the king in this particular when he hath gone as far in their protection as is consistent with the weal of other his liege people which he is sworn to tender he hath protected them to his power and his obligation is no further by the
Parliament is the supream Court by which all other Courts which derive their power for execution of laws from the King by his Commissioners are to be regulated and the King and the Parliament are the supream power to make and disanul laws Sith then this supremum jus Dominij that is over all laws is not in the King He cannot lawfully make any engagement to any against the laws and legal rites of others for that were not cedere jure suo sed alieno This oath then to the Clergie cannot engage him against the legal priviledges of the people or the Parliament which he is bound to maintain one of which is to be readie by confirming needful Bills to relieve them from whatsoever grievance they suffer from any And thus I think the Case is sufficiently cleared that notwithstanding the Kings oath to the Clergie at his Coronation he may consent to the extirpation of Prelacie out of the Church of England CHAP. XII Wherein it is cleared that though the King be the Supream Magistrate yet that supremacy which is over all laws is in this Kingdom not in the King alone but in the King and Parliament in Answer to Doctor Boughen's 17. Chapter I Come now to your last Chapter entituled Whether there be two Supremacies in this Kingdom But why not as wel three You know I make three supremacies but two fitted your Bow better which you had prepared to shoot your Arrows in even bitter words But I shal let you see that as there is more vapour so more vanitie and lightness in this then in any other Chapter and some of it against your own words and I believe more of it against your own light First you begin to tell me That I blame them that set up two supremacies and yet cannot see the beam in my own eye and then calumniate at pleasure Yet all is but winde I blame them that set up two absolute supremacies that had power to make laws independantly one of another onely the Clergie had the better end of the staff for the Laytie must be subject to their laws but they would be exempt from the Layties This I condemned out of Marsilus Patavinus as an enemy to quiet because such were alwaies apt and usually in act clashing one against another But the supremacies that I speak of cannot cross one another so no danger of disturbance Again Doctor in sober sadness do you not know a difference between a supremacy and the Supremacie A D. D. cannot be so ignorant You cannot chuse but have learned the difference between absolute summum and summum secundùm quid Chiefs in some respect may be many chief absolutely but one and when I say a Supremacie did not that hint to you onely a Supremacie secundum quid in some respect onely and yet more expresly when I call it the supream Court that is supream not absolute but in respect of judicature there lies an appeal from all Courts to it by petition but from it to none Is not this a Supremacie Nay do not you your self ascribe as much to it when you say This I say that the Parliament is Curia Capitalis the supream Court of this Kingdom Your own words pag. 136. if Supream there 's supremacie quicquid dicitur de in est in it cannot be denominated supream but there is supremacie in it in some respect denominatio fit ab inhaesione did you not then cavil against conscience at a supremacie in the Parliament and raise dust to darken the light Parag. 2. After a light quirk misbecoming a D. D. you ask Whether this be not against the oath of supremacy Wherein we swear that the Kings highness is the onely supream Governour of this Land c How are my positions against this oath Do not I ascribe to the king to be the onely Supream Magistrate You that could play with summum and supremus Can you tell us a difference between Magistrate and Governour If not he that asserts the King the supream Magistrate reacheth the sence of that oath which maketh him supream Governour Therefore I need fear no humane penalties against perjurie for this No Doctor I hope once the Lord will not hold him guilty will more make me dread perjurie then all other penalties Parag. 3. you say I clip his Majesties wings and say that the supremum jus Dominij which is above laws figere refigere is not in the King to say it is in him is in our State a manifest error What 's become of the oath of Supremacy then say you Safe enough say I The King remains still supream Governour he is said to be onely so in government which notes execution of laws and so doth the phrases Ecclesiastical and Civil but you say in your estate it is no error Sure Sir in King Charles his Kingdom of England it is an error in which assertion I should not have been so peremptory at first nor now had I not received this light from his own pen in his answer to the Parliaments 19. Propositions sent to him in York-shire where first he tels them that the experience Col. of Remonst and pag. 320. 321. and wisedom of their Ancestors hath so moulded our government out of a mixture of all the three viz. absolute Monarchy Aristocracy and Democracy as to give to this Kingdom as far as humane providence can provide the conveniences of all three without the inconveniences of any one c. And then a little after In this Kingdom the laws are joyntly made by a King by an House of Peers and by an House of Commons chosen by the people all having free votes and particular priviledges The government according to these laws is trusted to the King c. Have not I now followed my copy right the supream power to make laws is Aristocrati cal in three States free to vote and the King the supream Magistrate to execute laws One would think if this would not make you blush for what is past yet it may stop your mouth for future and I need not say no more on this point yet I will give a little touch to shew the vanitie of your flourishes Your Parag. 4. Is a meer flash attended with the sparkles of light calumnies For I have not made one of two I yet leave one absolute Supaemacie as you confess in the next parag the Supremacie to make and unmake laws This is neither in King nor Houses apart but conjoyned Here then we are fallen back to one Supremacie Why did you then trifle so much about two But this say you is to skip from Monarchie to Aristocracie just as his Majestie hath told you in this government there 's a mixture its Aristocratical in Legis lation Monarchical for execution and therein is the excellency of it the one being fittest for Law-making by solidity the other for execution by celeritie and yet this D.D. jeers as though this was never seen before because he wanted eyes But