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1._o page_n 343._o he_o come_v to_o our_o charge_n against_o the_o church_n though_o he_o never_o find_v any_o argument_n as_o aforesaid_a and_o i._n why_o do_v he_o silent_o balk_v the_o chief_a thing_n which_o i_o have_v name_v will_v this_o satisfy_v conscience_n will_v excuse_v some_o thing_n make_v other_o lawful_a ii_o as_o to_o what_o he_o say_v for_o the_o cross_n i_o have_v so_o full_o answer_v it_o twice_o to_o mr._n cheney_n and_o once_o to_o the_o impleader_n that_o i_o be_o loath_a to_o repeat_v all_o again_o in_o short_a 1._o he_o say_v the_o church_n intend_v it_o not_o for_o a_o sign_n of_o immediate_a dedication_n answ_n 1._o what_o be_v the_o medium_fw-la 2._o what_o if_o it_o be_v not_o immediate_a 3._o can_v it_o be_v more_o immediate_a than_o in_o the_o very_a present_a dedicate_a act_n to_o use_v the_o sign_n and_o express_v the_o dedicate_a signification_n 4._o the_o word_n of_o the_o canon_n be_v to_o dedicate_v they_o by_o that_o badge_n to_o his_o service_n who_o benefit_n bestow_v on_o they_o in_o baptism_n the_o name_n of_o the_o cross_n do_v represent_v and_o after_o the_o church_n of_o england_n account_v it_o a_o honourable_a badge_n whereby_o the_o infant_n be_v dedicate_v to_o the_o service_n of_o he_o that_o die_v on_o the_o cross_n and_o the_o service_n be_v name_v christianity_n in_o practice_n to_o fight_n under_o his_o banner_n etc._n etc._n 2._o he_o say_v in_o baptise_v the_o minister_n act_n by_o authority_n derive_v from_o christ_n but_o at_o cross_v he_o speak_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n we_o receive_v this_o child_n etc._n etc._n answ_n 1._o it_o be_v meet_a it_o shall_v be_v so_o that_o christ_n sacrament_n be_v use_v by_o christ_n authority_n and_o man_n by_o man_n 2._o but_o i_o hope_v this_o be_v but_o a_o quibble_n and_o that_o notwithstanding_o the_o word_n we_o the_o minister_n as_o christ_n minister_n and_o in_o his_o name_n say_v we_o receive_v this_o child_n when_o even_o the_o absolve_v be_v to_o be_v receive_v by_o christ_n first_o and_o then_o by_o the_o church_n i_o will_v not_o else_o aggravate_v the_o ill_a consequence_n §_o 2._o he_o before_o say_v be_v the_o cross_a a_o dedicate_a sign_n to_o god_n or_o a_o declarative_a sign_n to_o man_n answ_n the_o canon_n say_v express_o twice_o to_o dedicate_v they_o by_o this_o badge_n to_o his_o service_n and_o a_o honourable_a badge_n whereby_o the_o infant_n be_v dedicate_v to_o his_o service_n and_o the_o rubric_n which_o we_o must_v subscribe_v refer_v we_o to_o the_o canon_n for_o the_o true_a sense_n and_o reason_n of_o the_o cross_v 2._o be_v baptism_n and_o the_o lord_n supper_n a_o sign_n to_o god_n or_o to_o man_n it_o be_v a_o sign_n to_o man_n for_o god_n god_n know_v
etc._n 3._o that_o many_o of_o they_o deny_v all_o proper_a sacramental_a causality_n of_o grace_n 4._o special_o physical_a and_o protestant_n make_v they_o not_o mere_a sign_n but_o invest_v sign_n 5._o and_o ponere_fw-la obicem_fw-la be_v to_o want_n necessary_a moral_a qualification_n and_o action_n as_o aforesaid_a and_o now_o the_o dr._n have_v do_v well_o to_o tell_v i_o wherein_o i_o be_v very_o much_o mistake_v §_o 15._o he_o next_o say_v the_o cross_n be_v in_o no_o sense_n hold_v to_o be_v a_o instrument_n appoint_v for_o convey_v grace_n answ_n 1._o not_o by_o god_n for_o it_o be_v none_o of_o god_n ordinance_n 2._o but_o that_o by_o man_n it_o be_v i_o have_v manifest_v if_o a_o moral_a objective_n move_v and_o teach_v mean_n may_v be_v call_v a_o instrument_n if_o not_o the_o word_n instrument_n be_v nothing_o to_o our_o case_n 1._o to_o work_v on_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o adult_n by_o representation_n signification_n excitation_n as_o the_o word_n do_v be_v to_o be_v a_o 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excommunication_n chap._n xi_o whether_o the_o excommunicate_a church_n or_o the_o excommunicate_v for_o not_o communicate_v when_o excommunicate_v be_v guilty_a of_o schism_n §_o 1._o their_o canon_n excommunicate_a ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la all_o that_o say_v conformity_n be_v unlawful_a and_o many_o such_o like_a 1._o he_o say_v the_o excommunication_n be_v not_o against_o such_o as_o modest_o scruple_n the_o lawfulness_n of_o thing_n impose_v but_o those_o who_o obstinate_o affirm_v it_o answ_n reader_n trust_v neither_o he_o nor_o i_o but_o read_v the_o word_n can._n 3_o 4_o 5_o 6._o whosoever_o shall_v affirm_v that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n by_o law_n establish_v under_o his_o majesty_n be_v not_o a_o true_a and_o a_o apostolical_a church_n let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la whosoever_o shall_v affirm_v that_o the_o form_n of_o god_n worship_n in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n establish_v by_o the_o law_n and_o contain_v in_o the_o book_n of_o common-prayer_n be_v a_o corrupt_a superstitious_a or_o unlawful_a worship_n of_o god_n or_o contain_v any_o thing_n in_o it_o that_o be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o scripture_n let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la and_o not_o restore_v till_o etc._n etc._n whosoever_o shall_v affirm_v that_o any_o of_o the_o 39_o article_n be_v in_o any_o part_n superstitious_a or_o erroneous_a or_o such_o as_o he_o may_v not_o with_o a_o good_a conscience_n subscribe_v unto_o let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la and_o not_o restore_v till_o etc._n etc._n whosoever_o shall_v affirm_v that_o the_o rite_n and_o ceremony_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n by_o law_n establish_v be_v wicked_a antichristian_a or_o superstitious_a or_o such_o as_o be_v command_v by_o lawful_a authority_n man_n who_o be_v zealous_o and_o godly_a affect_a may_v not_o with_o any_o good_a conscience_n approve_v they_o use_v they_o or_o as_o occasion_n require_v subscribe_v to_o they_o let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la and_o not_o restore_v till_o he_o repent_v and_o public_o revoke_v such_o his_o wicked_a error_n can._n 7._o whosoever_o shall_v hereafter_o affirm_v that_o the_o government_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n under_o his_o majesty_n by_o arch-bishop_n bishop_n dean_n arch-deacon_n and_o the_o rest_n that_o bear_v office_n in_o the_o same_o be_v antichristian_a or_o repugnant_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_a ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la etc._n etc._n can._n 8._o whosoever_o shall_v affirm_v that_o the_o form_n and_o manner_n of_o make_v and_o consecrate_v bishop_n priest_n or_o deacon_n contain_v any_o thing_n in_o it_o that_o be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n let_v they_o be_v excommunicate_a ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la etc._n etc._n can._n 11._o whosoever_o shall_v affirm_v that_o there_o be_v within_o this_o realm_n other_o meeting_n assembly_n or_o congregation_n of_o the_o king_n bear_v subject_n than_o such_o as_o by_o the_o law_n of_o this_o land_n be_v hold_v and_o allow_v which_o may_v right_o challenge_v to_o themselves_o the_o name_n of_o true_a and_o lawful_a church_n let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_a ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o now_o if_o the_o reader_n will_v no_o more_o believe_v the_o doctor_n it_o be_v not_o long_o of_o i_o if_o all_o this_o be_v no_o more_o than_o to_o excommunicate_v they_o that_o obstinate_o affirm_v the_o ceremony_n antichristian_a impious_a or_o superstitious_a understand_a they_o be_v not_o possible_a §_o 2._o but_o i_o confess_v they_o excommunicate_v not_o man_n for_o secret_a thought_n we_o thank_v they_o for_o nothing_o it_o be_v but_o for_o tell_v their_o judgement_n and_o dissenter_n may_v have_v many_o occasion_n to_o tell_v it_o the_o king_n commission_n once_o allow_v some_o of_o we_o to_o tell_v it_o the_o demand_n accusation_n calumniate_a book_n and_o sermon_n etc._n etc._n may_v call_v many_o to_o it_o §_o 3._o he_o 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