whome he went about to poyson By reason of which outrages he was as I said denounced enemy to the Church of Rome by Alexander the .4 and shortly after Charles Kinge Lewys his brother was made King of Sicilie by Clemens the .4 paying to the Pope a tribute and holding of him by faithe and homage Such Supreme heads were your Conradus Conradinus and Manfredus As for Charles who only by the Popes Authority came to that dignity as I haue said it is not true that he as you say had all or most of the doing in the election or making of diuerse Popes For the Cardinalls only had the whole doing Truth it is that a strief and contention rising amonge the Cardinals for the election and many of them being enclined to serue Charles expectation they elected those which he best liked of But what can all this make to proue the Prince Supreme Gouernour in al ecclesiastical causes yea or in any ecclesiastical cause at al PriÌ„ces eueÌ„ now adaies find some like fauour sometimes at the electioÌ„ of Popes But thiÌ„k you therfore thei are takeÌ„ of their subiects for Supreme Gouernours c You may be ashamed M. Horne that your reasons be no better M. Horne The .130 Diuision pag. 79. b. Edvvard the first King of Englande about this time made the Statute of Northampton So that after that time no man should geue neither sel nor bequeath neither chauÌ„ge neither bye title assign laÌ„ds tenemeÌ„ts neither reÌ„tes to no maÌ„ of ReligioÌ„ without the KiÌ„gs leaue which acte sence that tyme hath beÌ„ more straightly enacted and deuised with many additioÌ„s thereunto augmeÌ„ted or annexed The which Law saith Polidore he made .442 bicause he was Religionis studiosissimê° c. most studiouse of Religion and most sharpe enemie to the insolency of the Priests The .27 Chapter Of King Edward the first of Englande Stapleton LEaue ones Maister Horne to proue that wherein no man doth stande with you and proue vs that either Kinge Edwarde by this facte was the Supreame Head of the Churche or that the Popes Primacie was not aswel acknowledged in EnglaÌ„d in those dayes as it hath ben in our dayes None of your marginal Authours auouch any such thinge Neither shall ye euer be able to proue it Your authours and many other haue plentiful matter to the contrarye especially the Chronicle of Iohannes Londonensis which semeth to haue liued aboute that tyme and seemeth amonge all other to haue writen of him verie exactlye Lette vs see then whether Kinge Edwarde tooke him selfe or the Pope for the Supreame Head of the Churche This King after his Fathers death returning from the holie Lande in his iourney visited Pope Gregorie the tenthe and obteyned of him an excommunication against one Guido de monte forti for a slawghter he had committed Two yeares after was the famouse Councell holden at Lions at the which was present the Emperour Michael Paleologus of whome we haue somewhat spoken And trowe ye Maister Horne that at suche tyme as the Grecians which had longe renounced the Popes authority returned to their olde obedience againe that the realm of Englande withdrewe it selfe from the olde and accustomable obedience Or trowe ye that the true and worthye Bisshops of England refused that Councell as ye and your fellowes counterfeite and parliament bisshops only haue of late refused the Councel of Trente No no. Our authour sheweth by a verse commonly then vsed that it was frequented of all sorte And the additions to Newburgensis which endeth his storie as the said Iohn doth with this King saith that plures episcopi coÌ„uenerunt de vniuersis terris de Anglia ibidem aderant archiepiscopi Cantuar. Ebor. et caeteri episcopi Angliae ferè vniuersi there came thither manye bisshops from al quarters and from EnglaÌ„d the Archbisshops of Canterburie and Yorke and in a maner all the other bisshops of the realme In this Kinges tyme the Pope did infringe and annichilate the election of the Kings Chauncelour being Bisshop of Bathe and Welles chosen by the monks and placed in the Archebisshoprike of Caunterbury Iohn Pecham In this Kings tyme the yere of our Lorde .1294 the prior of Caunterburie was cited to Rome and in the yeare .1298 appeale was made to the Pope for a controuersie towching the election of a newe Bisshop of Elie. Thre yeres after the bisshop of Chester was constrayned to appeare personally at Rome and to answere to certayne crymes wherewith he was charged Wythin two yeares after was there an other appeale after the death of the Bisshoppe of London towching the election of the newe Bisshoppe Yea the authority of the Pope was in highe estimation not onely for spirituall but euen for temporal matters also The Kinges mother professed her selfe a religiouse woman whose dowrie notwithstandinge was reserued vnto her and confirmed by the Pope For the greate and weightye matters and affaires standing in controuersie and contention betwene this King Edward and the Frenche Kinge the Pope was made arbiter and vmpier who made an agreament and an arbitrimente which being sente vnder his seale was reade in open parliamente at Westmynster and was well liked of all The Kinge and the nobility sendeth in the yeare of our Lorde 1300. letters to the Pope sealed with an hundred seales declaring the right of the crowne of England vpon ScotlaÌ„d and they desire the Pope to defende their right and that he would not geue a light eare to the false suggestioÌ„s of the Scots There are extant at this day the letters of Iohn Baliole and other Scots agnising the said superiority sent to this Kinge Edwarde In the foresaide yeare .1300 the Kinge confirmed the great Charter and the Charter of the Forest and the Archebisshoppe of Caunterburie with the other Bisshoppes pronounced a solemne curse vpon al suche as would breake the sayd liberties This Kinge was encombred with diuerse and longe warres aswell with Fraunce as Scotlande and therefore was fayne to charge the clergy and laity with many payments But in as much as Pope Bonifacius consideringe the wonderfull and intolerable exactions daylie layed vppon the clergy of they re princes had ordeyned in the councell at Lions that from thence forth the clergy shuld pay no tribute or taxe without the knowledge and consente of the see of Rome Robert Archbishop of Canterbury being demaunded a tribute for him self and his clergie stode in the matter not without his great busines and trouble And at the length vpon appellation the matter came to the Popes hearing The kinge had afterwarde by the Popes consente dyuerse payments of the clergy Many other thinges could I lay forth for the popes primacy practised at this tyme in Englande And is nowe M. Horn one onely Acte of Parliament made against Mortmaine of such force with yow that it is able to plucke froÌ„ the Pope his triple Crowne and set yt vppon the kynges head Yf
other that among other heresies recite some of those that you openly and your fellowes maintaine Yf ye will reiect the poore Catholiques S. Augustine and Epiphanius also yet I trust you will not be against your owne famouse Apologie whiche saith that Epiphanius nombreth fourscore Heresies of the which it is one for a man after the order of Priesthode to marie and S. Augustine a greater nomber and so concludeth you and the residue to be heretikes If ye wil denie ye mainteine any of those heresies your preachings your teachings and writings beare full and open testimony against you What then haue you to iustifie your cause You wil happely forsake and abandon S. Augustines authoritie withal the olde Canons and Councels and flye vnder the defence of your brickle bulwarke of Actes of Parliament O poore and sely helpe o miserable shift that our faith should hang vppon an acte of Parliamente contrary as wel to all actes of Parliament euer holden in Englande before as to the Canons and Fathers of the Catholike Churche A strange and a wonderfull matter to heare in a Christian common welth that matters of faith are Parliament cases That ciuill and prophane matters be conuerted into holie and Ecclesiasticall matters Yea and that woorse is that Laie men that are of the folde onely not shepheards at all and therefore bounde to learne of their Catholique Bisshoppes and Pastours may alter the whole Catholique Religion maugre the heades of all the Bishoppes and the whole Conuocation This is to trouble all things this is as it were to confounde togeather heauen and earth But yet let vs see the prouidence of God These men that relinquishing the Church would hang only vpoÌ„ a Parliament are quite forsaken yea euen there where they loked for their best helpe For I praye you what warrant is there by acte of Parliament to denie the Real presence of Christes bodie in the holie Eucharistia Is it not for anye Parliament as well heresie nowe as it was in Quene Maries King Henries or anye other Kinges dayes What can be shewed to the contrarie Doth not Luther your first Apostle and his schollers defie you therefore as detestable Heretiques Nowe concerning Transubstantiation and adoration is it not well knowen thinke you that in King Edwardes dayes there was a preaty legerdemaine played and a leafe putt in at the printing which was neuer proposed in the Parliamente What Parliamente haue your Preachers to denye free will and the necessitie of baptizing children Againe I pray you is there any Acte to confirme your vnlawful mariage Doth not in this point the Canonicall Lawe stande in force as well nowe as in King Henries daies And so doth it not followe that yee are no true Bishoppe Beside is it not notoriouse that yee and your Colleages were not ordeined no not according to the prescripte I wil not say of the Churche but euen of the verye statutes Howe then can yee challenge to your selfe the name of the Lord Bisshoppe of Winchester Whereof bothe the Municipall and Ecclesiasticall Lawe dothe woorthelye spoyle you Wherefore as I sayed let vs dashe out these wordes and then no reasonable man shall haue any great cause to quarell against the Title of M. Fekenhams Treatise The .2 Diuision M. Horne The booke by you deliuered vnto mee touching the Othe was writen in the Tovver of London as you your selfe confessed and the true title therof doth plainly testifie in the time of the ParliameÌ„t holden Anno quinto of the Q. Maiestie Ianua 12. at which time you litle thought to haue soiourned with me the winter follovving and much lesse meant to deliuer me the scruples and staies of your coÌ„science in writing to be resolued at my hands And although you would haue it seeme by that you haue published abroade that the cause why you wrot was to be resolued my hande yet the trueth is as you your selfe reported that you and your Tovver fellovves hearing that the Statute moued for the assuraunce of the Queenes royall povver would passe and be establissed did conceiue that immediately after the same Session Commissioners shoulde be sente vnto you to exact the Othe VVhereuppon you to be in some readines to withstande and refuse the duetie of a good subiecte .8 not without helpe of the reste as may be gathered deuised the matter conteyned in the booke committed the same to writing and purposed to haue deliuered it for your ansvvere touching the Othe of the Supremacy to the CoÌ„missioners if they had come This may appere by the Title of that booke that you first deliuered to me which is worde for worde as follovveth The answere made by M. Iohn Fekenham Priest and prisoner in the Tower to the Quenes highnes Commissioners touching the Oth of the Supremacie In this Title there is no mencion of scruples and stayes deliuered to the Bisshoppe of VVinchester but of aunsvveare to the Queenes Commissioners I am not once named in the â—itle ne yet in the looke deliuâ—â—â—â— to mee neither is there one worde as spoken to me although in the 〈…〉 abroad you turne all as spoken to me â—n your booke published aâ—e 〈…〉 kinds of speaches To the L. Bishop of VVinchestâ— VVhen youâ— L. shal be able c. I shall ioyne this issue vvith your L. c. But it is farre othervvise in your booke deliuered to me namely To the Queenes highnes coÌ„missioners VVhen ye the Queenes highnes coÌ„missioners shal be hable c. I shal ioine this issue vvith you that vvhen any one of you the Queenes hignes coÌ„missioners c. From October at what time you were sent to me vnto the end of Ianuarie there was daily conference betvvixt vs in matters of Religion but chiefly touching the foure pointes which you terme scruples and stayes of conscience and that by worde of mouth and not by any writing In all which points ye vvere .9 so ansvvered that ye had nothing to obiect but seemed resolued and in a maner fully satisfied VVhervpon I made aftervvard relation of .10 good meaning tovvards you to certain honorable persons of the good hope I had coÌ„ceiued of your conformity At whiche time a certaine friend of yours standing by and hearing what I had declared then to the honorable in your coÌ„medacion did shortly after .11 reporte the same vnto you which as it seemed you did so much mislike doubting that your confederates should vnderstand of your reuolt .12 which they euer feared hauing experience of your shrinking froÌ„ them at .13 VVestminster in the coÌ„ference there the first yere of the Q. Maiestie that after that time I founde you alvvaies much more repugnaÌ„t and coÌ„trary to that wherin ye before times seemed in maner throughly resolued And also to goe from that you before agreed vnto By reason vvhereof vvhen in debating betvvixt vs you vsinge manye shiftes amongst other did continuallie quarell in Sophistication of vvordes I did vvill you to
a special liceÌ„ce Neither do the .574 expresse vvords of the statut geue to the prince al manner of iurisdictioÌ„s in such absolute vvise as you report in any wise and any spiritual iurisdictioÌ„ within the realme For these termes all maner in any wise and any spiritual iurisdiction vvhich you enforce so much are not found in the gift or restitutition of spiritual iurisdictioÌ„ made by the acte vnto the Prince but in that part vvhere the Acte geueth aftervvard povver and authority to the Prince to execute the IurisdictioÌ„ novv vnited and annexed to the Croune by mete delegats to be assigned named â–ª aÌ„d authorised by coÌ„missioÌ„ or letters patents vnder the great Seale of england If ye vvil hereof infer that bycause the princes haue by vertue of the acte full povver and authority to name assigne and authorise any person vvhom they shal thinke mete to exercise vse occupy and exequute vnder theÌ„ al maner of iurisdictions priuileges and preheminences in any vvise touching or concerning any spiritual or ecclesiastical iurisdictioÌ„ vvithin theyr dominions or countries Therfore al maner iurisdictioÌ„ is in the prince to be exercised vsed occupied and executed by them for othervvise you vvil say the princes cannot geue aÌ„d coÌ„mit to others that vvhich they haue not receiued and is not in theÌ„ selues Your argument is easely ansvvered in fevv vvords it is a foule .575 SophisticatioÌ„ à secunduÌ„ quid ad simpliciter These vvords of the act al maner in any wise are .576 restrained and bouÌ„ded vvithin the limites of the gift vvhere you of purpose to beguile the simple vvithal do let theÌ„ runne at large and set them forth as mère and simple vniuersalles vvithout any limites at al. The Acte geueth or restoreth to the prince iurisdictions priuileges superiorities and preheminencies spirituall and ecclesiastical but it .577 addeth this limitation suche as by any spirituall or ecclesiastical povver or authority hath heretofore ben or may laufully be exercised or vsed And for that these vvords as by any spiritual or ecclesiastical power or authority hath heretofore ben or laufully be exercised and vsed may be maliciously stretched by avvraÌ„gling Papist and might seme to som that haue good meaning also to geue ouer large a scope the mater or obiect vvherin or vvhere about those spiritual or ecclesiastical iurisdictioÌ„s priuileges superiorities and prehemineÌ„ces are exercised vsed and doe consist is limited aÌ„d added in these .578 expresse vvords for the visitation of the ecclesiastical state and persoÌ„s and for reformatioÌ„ order and correction of the same and of al maner errors heresies schismes abuses offences conteÌ„ptes and enormities vvhich vvords of limitatioÌ„ in the gift as they geue not to the prince the exercise of that iurisdiction that coÌ„sisteth and vvorketh in the invvarde and secrete court of coÌ„science by the preaching of the vvord and ministration of the Sacramentes vvhich beloÌ„geth only and alone to the Bishops neither do they authorise the prince to vse that iurisdiction that belongeth properly to the vvhole church eueÌ„ so do they geue rightly vnto the prince to exercise al maner iurisdictions priuileges superiorities and preeminences in any vvise touching and coÌ„cerning any spiritual or ecclesiastical iurisdictioÌ„ .579 coÌ„teined vnder the second kind of cohibitiue iurisdictioÌ„ for that may the Prince laufully exercise and vse and doth not beloÌ„g vnto the Bisshops othervvise then by .580 coÌ„mission and authority of positiue Lavves This limitatioÌ„ of iurisdiction set forth by expresse vvords in the Act you knovv right vvel ye vvere also at sundrie times put in mind thereof and you vvere vvel assured that your alleaging the vvords of the Act so darkly coÌ„fusedly and .581 vntruly could neuer further your cause amoÌ„gest the vvise and yet vvould you nedes publissh them in this sort to the people vvherby at the least to make both the Prince and the lavv odious vnto the simple subiects The Bisshops haue by the expres vvord of God coÌ„mission of spiritual gouernmet ouer their flock that is to fede the flock of Christ coÌ„mitted to their charge vvith Gods holy vvord as I haue declared before â—hey haue coÌ„mission to absolue the faithfully peniteÌ„t and to retaine or bind the impeniteÌ„t that is to .582 declare and assure both the one and the other by the vvord of the Ghospel of Gods iudgemeÌ„t tovvard theÌ„ VVhat vvil ye infer herof VVil ye coÌ„clude therfore they haue al maner of Spiritual gouernmeÌ„t oâ—â—urisdictioÌ„ ouer theÌ„ YoÌ„g LogiciaÌ„s knovv this is an yl coÌ„sequeÌ„t that coÌ„cludeth vpoÌ„ one or diuers particulars affirmatiuely an vniuersall Thus .583 ye argue Bisshops by the expres vvord of God haue coÌ„mission to preach to their cures to remit or retein sinnes Ergo they haue coÌ„mission by the expres vvord of God to SoÌ„mon CouÌ„cels or Synods general or prouincial to visit that is iudicially sitting in iudgemeÌ„t to enquire of meÌ„s maners and forinsically to punissh or correct and to decide the coÌ„trouersies amoÌ„gst the people touching contracts of matrimony vvhordom tythes sclaunders c. And to ordeine Decrees Lavves Ceremonies Rites c. If this conclusion follovv consequently vpon your antecedent theÌ„ doth it ouerthrovv the doctrin of your Romissh diuinity vvhich grauÌ„teth not to the Bisshops iÌ„mediatly from God this povver vvithout a special commission from the Pope in vvhom only as the Papists say is fulnes of iurisdictioÌ„ and povver But if this conclusion follovv not consequeÌ„tly vpoÌ„ the aÌ„tecedeÌ„t as a maÌ„ more theÌ„ half blind may plainly see it doth not theÌ„ haue ye concluded 584 nothiÌ„g at al by Christes diuinity that may further the matter ye haue taken in hande to proue You falsly reporte the scriptures in this that you saie the Bisshops haue coÌ„mission by the expres vvord of God to geue vnto their flockes and cures the holy Ghoste by imposition of their handes For the place vvhich â—e quote for that purpose expresseth no such commission neither .585 any other place of the holy scriptures The Bishoppes haue so daungerous a cure and chardge ouer the soules committed vnto them that God vvill require the bloud of those that perishe thorough their negligence at their handes and therfore hath geuen them sufficient commission for the discharge of their cures It vvere therefore an horrible absurdity if they might not exercise any Iurisdiction ouer them if they might not visit refourme order and correct them by that commissioÌ„ vvithout a further commission from the Q. highnes But doo yee not perceiue vvhich the most simple may see vvhereof also yee often vvere admonished by me your vvarbling sleight and Sophisticall quarellinge in equiuocation of vvordes and termes As there are tvvo .586 sortes of IurisdictioÌ„ vvhereof the one not Cohibitiue properly belongeth to the Bishoppe vvhich he may and ought to exercise ouer his flocke vvithout any other commission than of Christ so to visit refourme order and correct are of tvvo sortes the one
Magdeburgenses as in place conuenient I haue shewed which also in no time or Age sence Princes were first christened in no land or CouÌ„trie in no Councel General or National was euer witnessed practised or allowed last of al which directly fighteth with Christes Commission geuen to the Apostles and their Successours in the Gospell and standeth direct coÌ„trary to an Article of our Crede if such Supreme Gouuernement I say may be laweful and good then is the Othe lawefull and may with good Conscience be taken But if these be suche Absurdities as euery maÌ„ of any meane consideration seeth and abhorreth then may not the Othe of any man that hath a Conscience be taken neither can this Supreme Gouernement be possibly defended for good and laweful That al these Absurdites and many yet more which to auoide prolixitie I here omitte do hereof depende this Reply gentle Reader abundantly proueth The Primacy of the Bishop of Rome againste the which the Othe directly tendeth as M. Horne auoucheth is euidently here proued not only in our dere Countrie of Englande as well before the Conquest as sythens but also in all other Christened Countres not only of all the West Churche as of Italy Spaine Fraunce Germany and the reste but of the East Churche also yea amonge the Aethyopians and Armenians And that by the witnesses of such Authours as M. Horne him selfe hath builded his proufes vpon for the contrary The practise of the .8 first General Councelles and of many National Councelles beside in Spaine Fraunce and Germanye hath pronounced euidently for the Popes and Bishoppes Supremacy and nothing for the Princes in matters Ecclesiasticall It is now thy parte ChristeÌ„ Reader not to shutte thy eyes against the Truthe so clerely shining before thy face Againste the which Truthe bicause M. Hornes whole Answer is but as it were a Vayne Blaste the Confutation of that Answer to auoide confusion of Replies whereof so many and diuers haue of late come forthe I haue termed for distinctioÌ„ sake a Counterblaste And nowe gentle Reader most earnestly I beseche thee of all other Articles that be this day ouer all ChristendoÌ„ controuersious through the great temerite of selfe willed heretiks raised vp most diligently to labour and trauaile in this of the Supremacy As being suche that to say the Truthe in effecte al other depende vpon Of Protestantes some be Lutherans some Zwinglians some Anabaptistes some Trinitaries and some be of other sectes But as they all being otherwise at mutuall and mortall enemitie emonge themselues conspire againste the Primacy of the See Apostolike so a good Resolution ones had in this pointe staieth and setleth the Conscience as with a sure and stronge Anker from the insurgies and tempestes of the foresaide rablemeÌ„t and of all other sectes and schismes Contrary wise they that be ones circumuented and deceaued in this Article are caried and tossed with the raging whaues and flouddes of euery errour and heresy without staie or settling euen in their owne errours I reporte me to the Grecians who forsaking the vnitie of the Romaine Churche and being first Arrians defying the Pope as it may appeare by the letters of Eusebius the greate Arrian and his felowes to Iulius then Pope fell after to be Macedonians Nestorians Eutychians Monothelites Iconomaches with diuers other greate Heresies eche Heresy breeding great numbers of sectes and all conspiring against the See Apostolike vntil at the last proceding from heresy to heresie diuers RecoÌ„ciliations with the Romaine See comming betwene which staied a longe time Gods highe vengeaunce that ensewed they fel to Turkish Captiuitie in which ô lamentable case they remayne to this day I reporte me to the Africans who falling from the vnitie of the Romaine See first in the Donatistes despising the Iudgemente of Pope Melchiades in the very first springe of their heresy where then it might haue bene stopped if they had geuen eare to their chiefe Pastour then falling to be Pelagians and soone after Arrians by the conqueste of the Wandalles became in time Infidelles as to this daie they continue I reporte me laste of all to these Heresies of the Northe the Bohemians fyrste and nowe Luther and his scholers Whiche wythin fewe yeares their Maister yet liuing and flourisshing wente so farre from hym that he pronounced them in open writyng Heretiques and Archeheretiques And yet they nowe I meane the Sacramentaries whome Luther so defyed beare the greatest swaye of all other sectes What the ende of these Heresies wyll be except we abandonne them in tyme Hungarie and Lifelande maye be a lesson vnto vs whiche by Luthers heresye are bothe fallen awaye as from the Romaine Churche so from the Romaine Empire the one into the Turkes handes the other into the Moscouites But to leaue forayne Countres for triall what it is to separat our selues from the See Apostolike our owne domesticall affayres maye serue vs for a sufficient example At what time kinge Henry the 8. first banisshed the Popes Authoritie out of Englande as the kinge and the Parliament thought though erroneously that this doing imported no schisme nor heresy so they thought likewise in suche sorte to prouide that the people shoulde not fall into the other errours of the newe Lutheran or Sacramentary religion which then the kinge and the Parliament no lesse abhorred then they did Turkery But what was the issewe all the worlde knoweth and England the more pitie greuously feeleth For immediatly bookes came so thicke abrode as well of the Lutheran as of the Zwinglian secte and the people fell so fast to a contentation and liking with them that the king was fayne to make diuers streight lawes and Actes of Parliament for the repressing of heresy yea and to forbidde the common people the reading of the Bible And he sate in his owne person in iudgement vpon Lamberte the Sacramentary Neither the Lutherans and Zwinglians onely swarmed in the realme but the Anabaptistes also twelue of the sayed Anabaptistes being burned aboute one tyme. Nowe thoughe king Henrye altered no matter of fayth sauing this Primacie onely but kepte constantlye the Catholike fayth otherwise and though suppressing the Abbeys he would not suffer religiouse men that had vowed chastitye to marie yet after hys death and in the minoritye of hys sonne kinge Edwarde all the lawes that he had made towching matters of religion sauing against the supremacie were repelled and abolisshed And a new religion was through out the realme set forthe To the which though the Religion nowe vsed be much conformable yet is there in many thinges muche diuersitâ—e As among other for the mariage of Priestes for the which they had some colour in king Edwardes daies by Acte of Parliament Nowe they haue both the Church lawe and the lawe of the Realme against them and which more is the verie lawe of God that saieth Vouete reddite Make your vowe and perfourme it And S. Paule saieth Habentes
both their owne and their Readers labour I pray you then good M. Horne bring foorth that King that did not agnise one supreme head and chiefe iudge in all causes Ecclesiasticall among the Iewes I meane the high Priest wherein lieth all our chiefe question Ye haue not yet done it nor neuer shal doe it And if ye could shew any it were not worth the shewing For ye should not shewe it in any good King as being an open breache of Gods lawe geauen to him by Moyses as these your doings are an open breach of Christ and his churches lawe geuen to vs in the new Testament Againe what president haue ye shewed of anye good King among the Iewes that with his laitie altered and abandoned the vsuall religion a thousande yeares and vpward customablie from age to age receiued and embraced and that the High Priest and the whole Clergie resisting and gainsaiyng all such alterations If ye haue not shewed this ye haue straied farre from the marke What euidence haue ye brought forth to shewe that in the olde Law any King exacted of the Clergie in verbo sacerdotij that they shuld make none Ecclesiastical law without his consent as King Henrie did of the Clergie of England And so to make the Ciuil Magistrate the Supreame iudge for the finall determination of causes Ecclesiasticall What can ye bring forth out of the olde Testamente to aide and relieue your doinges who haue abandoned not onely the Pope but Generall Councels also and that by plaine acte of Parliament I saye this partlye for a certaine clause of the Acte of Parliament that for the determination of anye thinge to be adiudged to be heresie reasteth only in the authoritie of the Canonicall Scriptures and in the first foure General Councels and other Councels general wherin any thing is declared heresie by expresse wordes of scripture By whiche rule it will be hard to conuince many froward obstinate heretikes to be heretikes yea of such as euen by the saied fower first and many other Councels general are condemned for heretikes Partly and most of al I saye it for an other clause in the acte of Parliament enacting that no forraigne Prince Spirituall or temporal shall haue any authoritie or Superioritie in this realme in any Spirituall cause And then I pray you if any Generall Councell be made to reforme our misbelief if we wil not receiue it who shall force vs And so ye see we be at libertie to receiue or not receiue any general Councel And yet might the Pope reforme vs wel inough for any thing before rehersed for the Popes authority ecclesiastical is no more forraigne to this realme then the Catholike faith is forraigne sauing that he is by expresse wordes of the statute otherwise excluded Now what can ye shewe that mere laie men should enioye ecclesiastical liuings as vsually they doe among you What good inductiō can ye bring from the doinges of the Kinges of the olde Lawe to iustifie that Princes nowe may make Bishoppes by letters patents and that for suche and so long time as should please them as either for terme of yeares moneths weekes or daies What good motiue cā ye gather by their regiment that they did visit Bishops and Priestes and by their lawes restrained them to exercise any iurisdiction ouer their flockes to visite their flocks to refourme them to order or correcte them without their especiall authoritie and commission therevnto Yea to restraine them by an inhibition from preaching whiche ye confesse to be the peculiar function of the Clergie exempted from all superioritie of the Prince What Thinke ye that yee can perswade vs also that Bishops and Priestes paied their first fruits and tenthes to their Princes yea and that both in one yeare as they did for a while in Kinge Henrie his dayes Verelye Ioseph would not suffer the very heathen Priestes which onely had the bare names of Priests to paye either tithes or fines to Pharao their Prince Yea rather he found them in time of famine vpon the common store Are ye able suppose ye to name vs any one King that wrote him selfe Supreame head of the Iewish Church and that in all causes as well Spirituall as Temporall and that caused an Othe to the Priestes and people the Nobilitie onelye exempted to be tendred that they in conscience did so beleue and that in a woman Prince too yea and that vnder paine of premunire and plaine treason too O M. Horne your manifolde vntruthes are disciphired and vnbuckled ye are espied ye are espied I say well enough that ye come not by a thousande yardes and more nigh the marke Your bowe is to weake your armes to feable to shoot with any your cōmendation at this marke yea if ye were as good an archer as were that famous Robin Hood or Litle Iohn Wel shift your bowe or at the least wise your string Let the olde Testament goe and procede to your other proufes wherein we will nowe see if ye can shoote any streighter For hitherto ye haue shotten al awrye and as a man may saye like a blinde man See now to your selfe from henseforth that ye open your eies and that ye haue a good eye and a good aime to the marke we haue set before you If not be ye assured we wil make no curtesie eftsones to put you in remembrance For hitherto ye haue nothing proued that Princes ought which ye promised to proue or that they may take vppon them such gouernment as I haue laid before you and such as ye must in euery parte iustifie if either ye will M. Fekenham shal take the Othe or that ye entende to proue your selfe a true man of your worde M. Horne The .18 Diuision pag. 11. b. You suppose that ye haue escaped the force of all these and such like godly Kings which doe marueilously shake your holde and that they may not be alleaged against you neither any testimonie out of the olde testament for that ye haue restrained the proufe for your contentation to such order of gouernment as Christ hath assigned in the Ghospel to be in the time of the nevv testament wherein you haue sought a subtil shifte For whiles ye seeke to cloke your errour vnder the shadovve of Christes Ghospel ▪ you bevvray your secrete heresies turning your self naked to be sene of al men and your cause notvvithstanding lest in the state it vvas before nothing holpen by this your poore shift of restraint So that vvhere your friendes tooke you before but onely for a Papist novv haue you shevved your selfe to them plainly herein to be a .50 Donatist also VVhen the Donatists troubled the peace of Christes Catholique Church and diuided them selues from the vnity therof as nor◠you doe The godlie Fathers trauailed to confute their heresies by the Scriptures both of the olde and nevve testament and also craued aide and assistaunce of the Magistrates and Rulers to refourme them to reduce them
lawful to do Here shal ye find and heare Rome called the Head of all Churches Here shal ye find that Pope Leo gaue coÌ„maundement to his Legates that they shuld not suffer Dioscorê° to sit among th' other Bishops but to stand as a person accused and defendant and so the Legates tolde the Senatours and that in case they wold suffer the mater to go other wise that they should be excoÌ„municated and thervpon he was coÌ„maunded to sit in the middle a part from the rest Here shall ye finde that the learned Bishop of Cyrus Theodoretus deposed by Dioscorus and Maximus his own Patriarche was receiued and placed among the bishops because Leo had restored him Here shal ye find that nor laie men nor Priests haue voice in the Councel but Bishops only Here it appeareth why the Ciuil Magistrate is present in the Councell not to geaue sentence or to beare the greatest sway there in matters Ecclesiastical as M. Horne imagineth but as it appeareth by Theodosius the Emperours coÌ„mission geuen to the Earle Elpidius to see there be no tumulte and in case he see any troblesome or tumultuous person to the hurt and hinderance of the Catholik faith to imprison him and to certifie th'Emperour of him to see the maters procede orderly to be present at the iudgemeÌ„t geuing and to procure that the Councell spedily and circumspectly proue their matters In this SessioÌ„ ye shall find that not only Flauianus that godly Bishop and Patriarche of Constantinople wrongfully deposed by Dioscorê° appealed to Rome but that Eutyches also that Archeheretique iustlye condemned by Flauianus for his reliefe pretended an appellation made to Leo by him selfe In the second Session Leo his Epistle was read the Councell crieth out Petrus per Leonem loquutus est Peter hath spoken out of Leos mouthe But of all the thirde Session is so freighted with ample and plaine testimonies for the Ecclesiastical Primacy that I must rather seke to restrain and moderat them then to amplifie or enlarge them In this thirde Session Pope Leo is called the vniuersall Archebishop the vniuersall Patriarche the Bisshopee of the vniuersall Churche the Pope of the vniuersal Church the Catholike or vniuersal Pope And now must M. Iewel if he be a true man of his worde yelde and subscribe being answered euen by the verye precise woordes and termes of his owne thoughe peuishlye and folishly proposed question In this sessioÌ„ the Popes Legates pronouÌ„ce sentence against Dioscorus the Patriarche of Alexandria and doe by the Authority of Leo and S. Peter who is called there the Rocke and the top clyffe of the Catholike Churche depryue him of all priestlye ministery and bisshoply dignity for that he communicated with Eutyches being by a Councel condemned for that he presumed to excommunicate Pope Leo and being thrise perâ—mptorely summoned to the Councell woulde not come And how are ye now M. Horne and your felowes to be countted Bisshoppes that refuse the authoritye of the generall Councel of Trente and durst no more shewe your face there then durste Dioscorus at Chalcedo And can no better defende the deposition of the Catholik Bisshops in Englande then could Dioscorus the deposition of Flauianus at Ephesus And to say the truth ye can much lesse defende your self And where is nowe your acte of parliament that annichilatteh and maketh voyde al Ecclesiastical Authority sauing of such persons as are inhabitants within the realme Dioscorus was a foole that could finde no such defence for him selfe or else he neded not to haue passed a button for the Councel of Chalcedo Vnlesse happely we think we haue a special priuilege and as we be enuironed and as it were walled vp froÌ„ the world by the great OceaÌ„ sea as the poete writeth of vs Et penitus toto diuisos orbe BritaÌ„nos so we may take our selues to be exeÌ„pted and closed vp from the faith and religion of all Catholike people in the world But let vs goe foorth with owre matter Ye shal then find in this third session that the Popes Legate was presidente of the Councell for Leo and subscribed before all other In this session the whole CouÌ„cel calleth Leo the interpretour of S. Peters voyce to al people In this session the whole CouÌ„cel sayeth that Leo theÌ„ far of at Rome was presideÌ„t aÌ„d ruler of the CouÌ„cel as the Head is ruler of the body And that theÌ„perors were presideÌ„ts there most deceÌ„tly to adorne aÌ„d set forth the same endâ—uoring to renew the building of the Church of HierusaleÌ„ coÌ„cerning matters of faith as did Zorobabel and Iesus in the old lawe And this place only were sufficient to answere your whole booke and to shew either your ignorance or frowarde quarrelling in making such a sturre and busines for Princes authority in CouÌ„cels In this sessioÌ„ the whole synode saieth that the keping of the vineyard that is of the whole Church was committed of God to Lâ—o. In this session the whole Councel thowghe Leo his Legates were present and confirmed al thinges that there passed towching matters of faith doth yet neuerthelesse pray Leo him self also to confirme their decreâ—s And here might the Author of your Apologie Maister Horne if yt pleased him as merely haue iested and scoffed againste these .630 Fathers as he doth against the Fathers of the late CouÌ„cel at Trente for the clause salua Apostolicae sedis authoritate Here might be demaunded of these .630 Fathers what thei neaded in this case the matter being resolued vpon by the whole Councel yea by his own deputies to to sende to Rome to Pope Leo to haue their decrees yet further coÌ„firmed Here also might be demaunded of those 630. Fathers whether yt were not a mere foly to think the holy ghost posted to Rome that yf he staggered or stayed in any matter he might there take Councell of an other holy ghost better learned with such other childish or rather Iewish toyes Neither the CouÌ„cel only but Marcian alâ—o the Emperour prayed Leo to coÌ„firme that which there was concluded of the faith In this sessioÌ„ the Senators that ye would neades haue to be the cheif Iudges desire they may be taught of the fathers of this Councel such thinges as appertayne to the faith as of them that should geue a reckoninge aswel for their sowles as for their own sowles Nowe where as ye catche as yt were a certaine ankerhold of the supplication of Eusebius of Dorileum consider I beseache yow his supplication to the Councel too and weighe them bothe with the ballance of indifferente iudgemente I pray and most humbly beseche your holines holy father saith he to haue mercy on vs. And while the things passed betwixt Dioscorus and me be yt in fresh remeÌ„braunce decree you all those doings to be voyde and that those things which wrongfully passed against vs may not be preiudicial or hurtful to vs and that
to the Kinges .413 iudgement and Thomas by the Kinges commaundement was faine to come to Lanfrank to be sacred And aftervvard vvhen there grevve greater contention betvvixt these tvvayne about Churche matters the Bisshop of Rome remitted the matter to be determined before the Kinge and the Bisshops of Englande and so at VVindesour before Kinge VVilliam and the Cleargy the cause was treated Also an other cause vvas moued before the King of the misorder of Thurstan whome the King had made Abbot of Glastonbury by whose iudgement the Abbot was chaunged and tourned to his owne Abbay in Normandye but the Monkes .414 scattered aboute by the Kings hest After this the King bestowed many Bisshoprikes on his Chaplaines as London Norvviche Chester Couentry c. And ruled both temporalty and the spiritualty at his owne wil saithe Polychronicon He tooke noman fro the Pope in his lād he meaneth that the Kinge vvoulde suffer no Legate to enter into the lande from the Pope but he came and pleased him he suffred no Coūcel made in his own coūtrey without his own leaue Also he woulde nothing suffer in such a councel but as he woulde assent So .415 that in geuing or translating of spiritual promocions in geuing his assent to Councels and suffring nothing to passe vvithout his consent in hearing and determining Ecclesiasticall causes in restreining the Popes liberty vvithout his speciall licence and in ruling the spiritualty at his ovvn vvil King VVilliā shevveth plain that he .416 tooke him self for the supreame gouernour vvithin this Realm in al maner of causes so vvel Ecclesiastical as Temporall The .19 Chapter Of England before the Conqueste Of William the Conquerour Rufus his Sonne and Henry the first Kinges of Englande Stapleton GOod readers I do most hartely beseche you euen as ye tender either the truth or the saluation of your sowles to haue a good and a speciall regarde to M. Hornes narration nowe following For now at the length is M. Horn come frō his long and vnfruitfull wandering in Spaine Fraunce Italie Germany and other countries to our own natiue contrey Now where as the late doings in our Countre are suche as we haue sequestred our selues frō the common and vsuall obedience that all other contries concerning authority in matters ecclesiasticall euer gaue with a singular and peerlesse preeminence to the see of Rome and do yet sequester the more pittie our selues daylie more and more makinge none accompte of other good princes doings and presidents in this behalf and pretending partly in the acts of parliament partly in the newe englishe bokes and daylie sermons that this is no newe or straunge example in England to exclude the Pope from all maner spiritual iurisdiction to be exercised and practised there by hym yt behoued our protestants especiallie M. Horne in thys his boke that what so euer his proufes were for other countries yet for some conuenient prouf of the olde practise concerning his newe primacie in Englande to haue wrowght his matters so substancially that at least wise for our owne Countre he shulde haue browght forth good aūcient and autentique matter And wil ye nowe see the wise and euen dealinge of these protestant prelats Where they pynne vp all our proufes wythin vj. hundred yeares after Christ and what so euer we bring after theyr Iewell telleth vs ful merelie we come to late M. Horne in this matter of Supreamacie most weightie to the poore catholiks the deniyng thereof being more greauously punished by lawes then anie other matter nowe lying in controuersie betwene the catholyks and protestantes in Englande M. Horne I say for thys his owne country which as approued Chroniclers reporte and as him self after alleageth did first of al the Romā prouinces publiquely embrace Christes relligion for one thousand yeares standeth mute And belike thinking that William Conquerour had conquered aswell all the olde catholyke fayth in Englande as the Lande and people fansieth a duble conqueste one vppon the goods and bodies the other vppon the sowles and faythe of the Englishe men But what shall I nowe say to this noble and worthie Champion shall I dryue hym a litle backe with M. Iewels peremptory challenge and tel him that he commeth to late by almoste fyue hundred yeares Or shall I deale more freely and liberally with him then M. Iewell doth whith vs and bydde hym take the beste helpe he can for hym self Verely M. Horne had nede I did so And yet all will be to lytle for his purpose aswell for that after the conquest he hath no sufficient prouf for his pretensed supremacy as for that what prouf so euer he bringeth yt must yelde and geue place to the first thousand yeares whiche beare ful testimonie for the Popes primacie laufully practised in our realme before the conquest It were now a matter for to fyll a large volume withal to runne a longe by these thowsand yeares and to shewe what prouf we haue for the popes primacy before the conquest My answere woulde waxe to bigge and to prolixe yf I shoulde so doe But I will onelie putte the good reader in remembraunce of a matter or two I muste therefore pluck M. Horne backe from Williams conquest and desire him to remember an other and a better and more aunciente conqueste with al in Britannie then Williams was yea aboute ix hundred yeares before when this Ilelande of Britanie was firste delyuered from the tyrannicall yoke and miserable bondage of dyuelish idolatrie But by whom M. Horne Suerlie by pope Eleutherius to whome kinge Lucius sente letters desiringe hym that by his commaundement he mighte be christened Fugatius and Damià nus whose holy reliques are thought to be now in Wales and whose holy remembraunce churches there dedicated to God in their name doe to this day kepe and preserue as it were fresh and immortall sent to England by the sayed Eleutherius did most godly and wonderfully worke thys great conqueste If I should nowe aske M. Horne what Lucius meant to send so farre for instructours and teachers of the Christian fayth namely Fraunce beyng at hande where about thys tyme the Christian Churches were adorned wyth many learned Bishoppes and Martyrs though he woulde perchaunce seeke manie a pretye shyfte to shyfte awaye thys demaunde yet should he neuer make any good and sufficiente aunsweare vntyll he confessed the Popes primacye to be the verie cause to send so farre of The which the blessed Martyr of God and great learned Bishoppe of Lyons in Fraunce Ireneus writyng in the tyme of our firste Apostle Eleutherius doth confesse writyng That all Churches muste agree wyth the Churche of Rome for that the sayed Churche hath the greater principalitie and for that the traditions of the Apostles haue euer bene kept there In case nowe the pope had nothing to doe in matters ecclesiasticall within this Ileland in the tyme of the olde Britaines why did pope Celestinus appoint
Eue had continued in state of grace they should neuer haue had children by any carnal copulatiō but otherwise Yea that there should haue bene no difference betwen the Male and the Female kinde Secondly he saied that the blessed Saintes in heauen doe not see the essence of God Whiche errour he learned of Petrus Abailardus againste whome S. Barnarde writeth and of Arnoldus Brixiensis of whome as I suppose Arnoldistae of whom we spake of be called Thirdly he said that the bodie of Christ is no otherwise in the Sacramente of the Aulter then in other bread and all other things Fourthly he said there was no hell Fifthly he denyed the resurrection of the flesh And yet is this Almaricus a worthy Bisshoppe and an holy Martyr in Maister Foxes madde Martyrologe Neither can he finde any matter why he was condemned but for teaching and holding againste Images whiche if it were true as it is false yet were he but a starke stinking Martyr I will nowe vnfolde and rippe vppe the heresies of some other condemned by Frederike that Maister Horne may see his own iudgement geuen against him and his fellowes especially against their hereticall Articles agreed vppon in their Schismaticall Conuocation and nowe after fower yeares offered to the Parliament to be confirmed and ratified geauen I saie not onely by the moste famouse Generall Councell aforesaied but also by his owne Supreme Head the Emperour Frederike and by his owne wordes and confession And here it shall be sufficient to set before yow the Waldenses onely For as a good fellowe ones said whiche had prouided a feast furnished with manye disshes to his friend maruailing at suche plentie but all was but swines fleshe which he had by his iolie cokerie dressed in suche diuersitie So all this rascall rablement of these huge monstruous names and sectes are in effecte nothing but the swinish secte of the Waldenses otherwise called the poore brethren of Lyons taking there their originall of one Waldo their vnlearned and blinde presumptuouse guide Whiche had in diuerse Countries diuerse names whereof some ye haue heard and were commonlie called in England as appeareth by our Actes of Parliamente and Chronicles and in some other Countries also Lollardes Wil ye then knowe what their Relligion and order was in Churche matters I remitte the Latine and learned Reader to Aeneas Syluius and to Paulus Aemilius and the English Reader to Maister Foxe him selfe Who at large to decke and beutifie his holy Canonisation setteth their errours and heresies foorth to his Reader And to be short there shal ye find that our holy English Cōuocatiō borowed their damnable Articles whereof we haue spoken of them and the whole order beside of this their gaie Gospelling Church Of this secte sprang among other the Albanenses whiche otherwise are called Albigenses of the people called Albij in the Countie of Tholous in Fraunce the whiche we haue before rehearsed Nowe the Arnoldistae can not be the schollers and disciples of Arnoldus de Villa noua being at this time and long after vnborne and so it seemeth that they are so called of Arnoldus Brixiensis and withal that as well Maister Horne as his Maister Illiricus from whome he fetched these Epistles of Arnoldus de Villa noua are out of the waye Maister Horne for imagining this Arnoldus to haue liued aboute the time of King Henrie the first And Illiricus for imagining Arnoldistas to be named of Arnoldus de Villa noua and to be condemned before he was borne Him selfe confessing that he liued aboute suche time as we before haue declared Maister Foxe also as greate an Antiquarie as he is as farre as I can learne confoundeth these two Arnoldus and maketh a great sturre for the auauncing of his newe Ghospel of this Arnoldus de villa noua being a false lying Prophet ▪ as I haue before shewed you And yt may be proued both by him and by Illyricus that he was an Heretique if he mainteyned suche errours as they specifie whereof nothing doth appeare in the foresaied Epistles And therfore I suppose yf any of them both mainteyned these errours yt was this Arnoldus Brixiensis Who for theis errours of the Waldenses as it may seme with his disciples is excommunicated by the generall coūcel as I tolde you before Now for the other secte of the Albanenses or Albigenses springinge of the loynes of the holye brother Waldo beside the cōmon and vsuall errours of the Waldenses they cōdēned matrimony ād lyued lyke brute beastes in most filthie and beastlie bytchery Who not withstanding multiplied in such sort and so desperatly suffred al kind of punishmēt ād death to for the maynteyning of theire heresies that they were set vpon and destroyed with an armie And yet are they preciouse martyrs with M. Foxe thoughe him self cōfesse that the chroniclers make them no better thē Turkes and infidelles and wold fayne for the honesty of his new ghospell and hys newe canonisation that men shoulde thinke yt were not so contrary to all the Chroniclers vpon his owne bare woorde as one that doth not nor euer shal be able to shewe any thinge worthye of any credite to the contrarye The desperate rage of theis wilde wodde Waldenses was suche as I haue sayde that they did not shūne but rather couitte deathe to make they re secte in the eies of the worlde more commendable as M. Foxes holye martyrs haue of late donne in Englande and els where and for this cause bothe the councell and themperour calleth them Patarenos For they so called them selues as in the olde tyme the Messalian heretikes called them selues for the like cause Martyrianos as men glorying that for their secte and heresie had suffred martyrdomme Now let Mayster foxe make an accompte of hys holy martyrs and see howe manie he canne fynde that haue not maynteyned the sayd errours of these Albigenses Paterans or Waldenses and he shall fynde his holie cataloge altogether voyde and empted So that the olde martyrs may take they re olde place in the Kalender againe And because Mayster Foxe doth so highlie esteme these men and so lightlye regardeth what so euer either the forsayde moste famous and lerned councell or the late councell of Trente hathe sayde or donne againste the doctrine of his holye Martyrs and wyll not belieue the catholikes when they truelye call them furiouse and madde martyrs let him at the leaste belieue this Emperour Friderike a newe greate Charles as Mayster Horne sayeth and let hym in fewe wordes heare a rownde and a full answere to all his vglie and madde martyrologe He then speaking of the sect of the folishe frontyke and wood Waldo sayeth In exēplum martyrū qui pro fide catholica c. They call them selues sayeth Fridericus as thowghe they followed the example of the Martyrs which died for the catholike fayth Paterans as men prompte and redie to suffer death howbeit these wretched Paterans hauing no
except you tell vs withal and proue it to that in such reformation the whole clergy and the temporalty tooke the Kinge and not the Pope to be the supreame head Gouernour and directer thereof and of al other Ecclesiastical causes also Verily your own authors shewe playnely the coÌ„trary And the Popes authority was at this tyme takeÌ„ to be of such weight and force that the great league made betweÌ„ our KiÌ„g aÌ„d the FreÌ„ch King was coÌ„firmed by the Pope Ye wil perhapps replie and say the Popes whole Authority was abolished a commaundement being geuen vpon paine of drowninge no man shoulde bring into the realme any kinde of letters from the Pope Ye wil tel vs also of certaine letters that the Kinge sent to the Pope admonisshing him to leaue his disordered doings and when that woulde not serue he redressed them by acte of Parliament Why doe ye not M. Horne laye forth the tenour of those letters which as yet I finde not in any of your marginall authours Belyke there lieth some thing hidde that ye woulde be loth your reader should knowe least yt bewray your weake and feble argumente as yt doth in dede Neither that only but directlye proueth the Popes primacy Did this Kinge wene you M. Horne cal the Pope Antichrist as ye doe Or wrote he him self supreame head of the Churche of England Or did he abolishe the popes authority in England Harken then I pray you euen to the beginning of his letters Sanctissimo in Christo Patri Domino Clementi diuina prouidentia sacrosanctae Romanae ac vniuersalis Ecclesiae summo pontifici Edwardus eadeÌ„m gratia rex Francorum Angliae dux Hiberniae deuot a pedum oscula beatorum To the most holy father in Christ the Lorde Clement by Gods prouidence the high bisshop of the holy and vniuersall Churche of Rome Edward by the same grace King of Fraunce and England and Duke of Ireland offereth deuoutly to kisse his holy feete He calleth the Pope Successorem Apostolorum Principis the successour of the prince of the Apostles he desireth the pope to consider the great deuotion and obedience that the King the Cleargie and the people had shewed hitherto to the Sea of Rome He saieth vt nos nostri qui personam vestraÌ„ sanctiss sanctam Rom. Ecclesiam dominari cupimus vt debemus c. that he and all his did desire euen as their dutie was that his holy person and the holy Churche of Rome might gouerne and rule Now M. Horne vnlesse vppon some sodayne and newe deuotioÌ„ ye intende to haue the pope beare rule in England againe and will also offer your selfe yf neede be to kysse the Popes fote to wich thing this great and mighty Prince was not ashamed to say tell vs no more for shame of these letters Neither tel vs of disorders reformed nowe almost two hundred yeares agoe to make thereby an vnseasonable and fonde argumente to abolishe all the Popes authority in our Dayes The effecte then of those letters were to pray and that most humbly the Pope that he woulde not by reseruations collations and prouisions of Archbishoprykes Bishoprykes Abbeis Priories and other dignities and benefices bestowe any ecclesiasticall lyuinges in Englande vppon straungers and aliens The whych thyng hath bene euer synce straitly sene to and there were two Actes of parliament made in this Kinges dayes agaynst the sayed prouisions And yet did the popes ordinarie and laufull authoritie in matters and causes ecclesiasticall remayne whole and entiere as before Neyther doe I fynde nor take it to be true that suche persons as were promoted by the Pope were expelled the realme Nor did the statute take place againste suche as had taken before the enacting of the same corporal possession As for Nauclere it is no maruell yf he being a straunger doth not write so exactely of our matters And no doubte he is deceiued in writinge that the kinge forbad any letters to be browght from the Pope But what say I he is deceiued Nay you that should knowe Englishe matters better then he especially such as by penne ye set abrode into the face of the worlde are deceiued and not Nauclerus Yea rather ye haue wilfully peruerted Nauclerus and drawen his sentence as Cacus did Hercules oxen backwarde into your Cacus denne and to beguile and deceiue your simâ—le reader and to bring him into a fooles paradise therin fondly to reioyce with you as thoughe this King abolisshed all the Popes authority and Iurisdiction For thoughe Nauclerus his wordes be general yet they may be wel vnderstanded and restrayned to suche letters as conteyned any suche collatioÌ„ or prouision inhibited by the statute But you least this shoulde be espied haue altered the forme and order of your authours wordes placing that firste that he placed laste As before coÌ„trariewise ye placed in Paulus Aemilius that laste whiche he placed firste Then haue ye falsly traÌ„slated your authour to wrye him to your wroÌ„gful purpose He expelled sayeth Nauclerus all persons promoted to any benefice in his realme by the Pope commaundinge vnder payne of drowning that no man shoulde exequute there the Popes letters what so euer they were Your authour speaketh not of bringinge letters into the Realme those are your owne wordes falsly fathered vpon him but of exequutioÌ„ And therefore the generall wordes following what so euer are to be restrayned to the exequution of the Popes letters contrarie to the order taken against the sayde prouisions and of none other Whiche statute doth no more take away the Popes ecclesiastical and ordinary authoritie then this kinges royall authority was taken away because the Parliament vppon reasonable causes denied him a certaine paymente that he there demaunded And yet yf I shoulde followe your vayne and humour in your newe rhetoryke I might thereby aswell inferre that the people toke him for no king as you by as good argumentes inferre the abolishing of the Popes authority Nowe as towching theis prouisioÌ„s they were not altogether abolished against the Popes will For this matter was loÌ„g in debate betwene the Pope and the king and at lengthe yt was agreed by the Pope that he woulde not practise anye more suche prouisions And on the kinges parte it was agreed that Archbishoppes and Bishops should be chosen by the Chapter of the cathedral Church without any interruption or impedimente of the king As appeareth aswell in the sayde epistle sente by the king to the Pope as by our chroniclers M. Horne The .137 Diuision pag. 82. b. Next to Levves vvas Charles the .4 chosen Emperour vvho helde a councel at Mentze vvith the Prelates and Princes in the yere of the Lorde 1359. vvherein he much reproued the Popes Legate for his disorders and coÌ„maunded the Archbishop of Mentze to reforme his Clergy and the disorders amongest them for othervvise he would see to it him selfe .451 The Popes Legate seing hovv the Emperor tooke vpon him gate
aske yow whether theÌ„perour toke pope Martinus for the head of the whole Church or no Yf ye say he did as the force of truth will coÌ„pell you then to what ende haue ye so busied your self with the doings of this Emperour Yf ye say he did not theÌ„ wil I send you to your owne authour Nauclerus of whom ye shall heare that not themperour but the Cardinals elected Martinus and that themperour as sone as he was elected fell flatte and prostrate before him and with much reuerence kissed his feete Now againe if as ye say he allowed and commaunded such thinges as the councell agreed vppon in matters of relligion to be obserued this agreemeÌ„t being as it was in dede against your new religioÌ„ what doe ye but blowe your own coÌ„demnatioÌ„ making it as strong as may be against your own self How Emperours haue coÌ„firmed councels I haue ofteÌ„ declared This therfore I let passe as a stale argumeÌ„t according to promise But now let me be so bold as ones to appose you M. Horn. Who was I pray you at this tyme supreame head of the Church in England Did king Henrie the .5 take him selfe trowe ye to be this head I suppose ye dare not say it for shame And if ye dare theÌ„ dare I be so bold to tel you it is a most notoriouse lie and withall that in case it were so yet did he eueÌ„ about the same time that Wiccleff and his schollers were coÌ„demned in the CouÌ„cell of CoÌ„stantia coÌ„demne theÌ„ as fast by act of parliament in EnglaÌ„d And it was I may say to you high time For your good bretherne had coÌ„spired to adnulle destroy and subuert not only the Christian fayth aÌ„d the law of God aÌ„d holy Church within the realm but also to destroy the kiÌ„g aÌ„d al maner of estats of the realm aswel spiritual as teÌ„poral aÌ„d all maner of pollicy and finally the lawes of the laÌ„d As it is more at large coÌ„prised in an act of parliameÌ„t made at that time In the which it was ordeyned aÌ„d established that first the Chauncelor Treasorer Iustices of the one bench aÌ„d of the other iustices of peace Sherifs mayors baylifs of cities aÌ„d townes aÌ„d all other officers hauing the gouernance of people or that at any tyme afterward shulde haue the sayd gouernaunce shuld take an othe in taking of their charge to put theire whole power and diligence to put out cease aÌ„d destroy al maner of errours and heresies coÌ„monly then called Lollardries within the place where they exercised theire offices And thus neither abrode nor at home can ye fynde any good matter for the defence of your newe primacy and your damnable heresies M. Horne The .141 Diuision pag. 84. b. After the death of Sigismonde Frederike the Emperour caused the Duke of Sauoy that vvas made Pope to renounce his Papacy and commaunded by his Decree the Prelates gathered at Basill to dissolue the Councell by a certaine daie This Emperour called a CouÌ„cell at Mentze to make an ende and vtterly to take away the Schisme of the Church and to deliuer it from more greuous daungers He vvriteth to the Frenche Kinge thereof declaring hovv this Schisme did so oppresse his minde and ferueÌ„tly sollicite him that as well for his loue to Religion as for his office called of God to be the chiefe aduocate of the Churche he did not onely runne with diligence to succour it but stirred vp al kinges and Princes that with a pure sinceritie delighted in the name of Christe to runne with him in this so necessary and healthfull a worke and to this purpose he declareth hovve he hath appointed to all his princes and prelates an assembly at Mentze whereat he entendeth to be personally present and therefore desireth the Frenche kinge also to bee there in his ovvne persone or at the least that he vvoulde sende his Oratours thither instructed distinctly vvith all vvaies and meanes by the vvhiche the Churche might be quiet from the calamities ready to fall on her Pope Eugenius sent to the Frenche king to desire him to take a vvay his .464 pragmaticall Lavve To vvhom the king ansvvered that he vvould haue it kept inuiolatly Then the Pope desidered the king neither to admit â—â— Basill couÌ„cel nor yet the couÌ„cel at MeÌ„tze that vvas called to the vvhich the kiÌ„g ansvvered that he vvold take aduise Stapleton Here is small or no matter for M. Hornes newe Primacie and that he here reherseth maketh rather agaynst him then with him For though M. Horne sayed in the last argument that pope Eugenius was deposed yet is he nowe pope styll and thother set in his place faine to geue ouer And though the princes would not obeye Eugenius for the dissoluing of the Councell of Basile yet nowe it is dissolued by the Emperour Friderike also And what answere so euer the French King made to Eugenius touching the sayed Basile Councell the Councell is no further allowed in the Catholike Church then Eugenius and his successour Nicolaus did allowe the same And as ye shewe your selfe themperour Friderike saieth that by his office he was called of God to be the chiefe Aduocate of the Church He saieth not the chiefe head of the Church the which honour he did attribute not to him selfe but to the Pope only of whome he was crowned as his predecessours were These also are but stale wares and much woren And for such I let them passe As for the Frenche King and hys pragmatical sanction which Charles his predecessour had made and whiche he at the requeste of Pope Eugenius would not reuoke it contained no such matter as you M. Horne doe attribute to princes nowe neyther was that gouernement like to that which you nowe defend This pragmaticall sanction stode most about monye matters It denied to the Court of Rome the great payements which went out of Fraunce about Reseruations collations expectations and coÌ„mendoes of bishoprickes prebendes and benefices Great and long contention there was betwene certaine Kings of Fraunce as Charles the .vij. and the .viij. Loys .xj. and .xij. Frauncis the first and certaine Popes as this Eugenius Pius .2 Sixtus .4 Innocentius .8 Alexander .6 Iulius the .2 and Leo the .10 as Duarenus a vehement writer for the French Kings aduantage mencioneth But notwythstanding all these matters the Popes supreme Authoritie in matters of Fayth and ecclesiasticall Iurisdiction was not denied For witnesse hereof I bring you the wordes of the Court of Paris vttered among the Articles which they proposed to the King about this matter as Duarenus him selfe recordeth them In the number .19 thus they say Ante omnia protestatur Curia c. Before all thinges the Court protesteth that it mindeth not to derogat any thing from the holynesse dignity honour and Authority of the Pope and the holy Apostolike See But rather it is ready to shewe and exhibit all honour reuerence and obedience that
exercuerunt Vtinam potius liceat perpetua obliuione eorum memoriam obruere I will not reaken vp the vnhappy combats that haue exercised the Church in our time about the sense of these words I would rather they might ones vtterly be forgotten And by and by he reiecteth the opinion of Carolostadius calling it insulâ—um coÌ„mentum a doltish deuise I say then of Caluin the bemoning of the matter betrayeth his meaning It is not his maner perdy to bemone the Papistes Protestants then nedes must they be whome Caluin there calleth blasphemous But here note good Reader what shiftes these fellowes haue when they are pressed to see the truthe M. Nowell laieth al the fault to false reporters and as Caluin pitied him and his felowes for inconsiderat zele so he pitieth Caluin againe for incoÌ„siderat beleuing of false reporters But what a foolish pitie this was on M. Nowells part and how vnsauerly he soluteth this obiection I leaue it to M. Dorman who will I doubt not sufficiently discouer his exceding foly herein Thus then M. Nowell But what shifte hath M. Horne Forsothe full wilely and closely he stealeth cleane away from the matter it self framing to M. Feckenham an argumente whiche the basest Logicioner of a hundred woulde be ashamed lo vtter And thus with folie on the one side and crafte on the other side willfulnes ouercometh heresie contineweth and the obiection is vnanswered Yet to presse it a litle more for such as haue eies and shut theÌ„ not against the light you shal vnderstaÌ„d that Iohn Caluin was offended not only with his brethern of EnglaÌ„d but also with those of Germany yea and of his own neighbors about him for attributing to Princes the spirituall gouernemeÌ„t which M. Horn auoucheth to be the principall parte of the Princes royall power In the booke and leafe before noted he saith Sed interea sunt homines inconsiderati qui faciuÌ„t illos nimis spirituales Et hoc vitium passim regnat in Germania In his etiam regionibus nimium grassatur Et nunc sentimus quales fructus nascantur ex illa radice quòd scilicet principes et quicunque potiuntur imperio putent se ita spirituales esse vt nullum sit amplius Ecclesiasticum Regimen Et hoc sacrilegium apud eos grassatur quia non possunt metiri suum officium certis legitimis finibus sed non putant posse se regnare nisi aboleaÌ„t omnem Ecclesiae authoritateÌ„ sint summi iudices tam in doctrina quà m in toto spirituali regimine But in the meane while there are vnaduised persons which doe make theÌ„ he meaneth Lay Princes to spirituall And this ouersight rayneth most in Germany In these Countres also it procedeth ouermuch And nowe we feele what fruytes springe vp of that roote verely that Princes and al such as do beare rule think theÌ„ selues nowe so spirituall that there is no more any Ecclesiastical gouernemeÌ„t And this sacrilege taketh place among theÌ„ bicause they can not measure their office within certayn and lawful boundes But are persuaded that their kingdome is nothinge except they abolish all Authority of the Church and become them selues the Supreme Iudges as wel in doctrine as in al kinde of Spirituall gouernement Hitherto Iohn Caluin If M. Feckenham or any Catholike subiecte of England had said or writeÌ„ so much you would haue charged him M. Horn with an vnkind meaning to the Prince aÌ„d to the State yea and say that he bereueth and spolyeth the Prince of the principall part of her royall power But now that Caluin saith it a man by you not onely estemed but authorised also so farre as is aboue sayd what saye you to it M. Horne or what can you possybly deuise to say He calleth yt plaine sacrilege that princes can not measure and limit their power but that they must become the supreme Iudges in all Ecclesiasticall gouernement And doe not you M. Horne defend that princes not onely may but oughte also to be the Supreme Gouernours in all Ecclesiasticall causes All I say nay you say your selfe without exception For if say you ye excepte or take away any thinge yt ys not all You theÌ„ M. Horn that auouch so sternly that the Prince must haue al supreme gouernement in matters Ecclesiasticall answer to your Maister to your Apostle and to your Idoll Iohn Caluin of Geneua and satisfie his complaynte complayning and lamenting that Princes wil be the Supreme Iudges as well in doctrine as in all kinde of Spirituall gouernement Answer to the zelous Lutherans and the famous lyers of Magdeburge who in their preface vpon the 7. Century complaine also ful bitterly that the lay Magistrats wil be heads of the Church wil determine dostrine and appoynte to the Ministers of God what they shall preache and teache and what forme of Religion they shall folowe And is not all your preaching and teaching and the whole forme and maner of all your Religion nowe in England enacted established and set vp by acte of parliament by the lay magistrats only the Ministers of God all the bishops and the inferiour clergy in the Conuocation howse vtterly but in vayne reclayming against it Speake speake Maister Morne Is not all that you doe in matters of Religion obtruded to Priestes and Ministers by force of the temporall Lawe Aunswere then to Caluines complaynte Aunswere to your bretherne of Germanie Yea aunswere to Philippe Melanchthon the piller and ankerhold of the ciuill Lutherans who saith also that in the Interim made in Germany Potestas politica extrametas egressa est The Ciuil power passed her boundes and addeth Non sunt confundendae functiones The functions of both Magistrats are not to be coÌ„founded Yea answer to Luther him selfe the great graÌ„dsir of al your pedegree He saith plainly Non est Regum aut Principum etiam veram doctrinam confirmare sed ei subijci seruire It belongeth not to Kings or Princes so much as to confirme the true doctrine but to be subiecte and to obeye it See you not here howe farre Luther is froÌ„ geuing the supreme gouernemeÌ„t in al Ecclesiastical causes to Princes Answere then to these M. Horne These are no Papistes They are your own dere brethern Or yf they are not defye them that we way knowe of what secte and company you are What wil you in matters of ReligioÌ„ stand post alone Wil you so rent and teare a sonder the whole Coate of Christ the vnity of his dere spouse the Church that you alone of England contrary not only to al the Catholik Church but also contrary to the chief M. of Geneua Iohn Caluin contrary to the Chief Maisters of the Zelous Lutherans Illiricus and his felowes contrrary to the Chief M. of the Ciuil Lutherans Philip Melanchton yea and contrary to the father of theÌ„ al Martin Luther briefly coÌ„trary to al sortes and sectes of Protestants you wil alone you only I say
fo 199 a 10. Ansvver fol. 89. b Replie fo 380 a 11. Ansvver fol. 93. b Replie fol. 397 Ansvver fol. 47. a. fol. 55. Ansvver fol. 101. b. Reply fol. 435. a. 436. b. Ansvver fol. 58. 59. August in Psal. cont parteÌ„ Dona Tom. 7. Ansvver fol. 2. a. Fol. 7. fol. 104. fol. 3. b. Fol. 6. a. Fol. 7. b. Fol. 128. a. Mr th 7. Reply fo 5â— Ansvver fol. 128. col 2. 129 col 1. Replie Fol. 5.7 Fol. 527. sequeÌ„t a Fol. 127 120. 123. Reply 451. a. b Ansvver fo 96.97.105 et 207 Reply 411. b. 416 a. 447. a. 451. b. Vide Remundum Rufum in Duplicatione coÌ„t PatronuÌ„ Molinaei Fol. 76. 2 Pet. 2. * See the 3. Chapter of the .1 booke Aug. de vtil credeÌ„di cap. 9. Malac. 3. Ero testis velox Replie Fol. 22. Fol. 508. Sozo lib. 3. cap. 8. Socrat. li. 2. cap. 15. Opta li. 2. Victor de persequut Vandal In parua Confessio de coena Domini Staphylus in Apolo part 3. Actes aÌ„d Monumentes fol. 553. Psalm 75 1. Tim. 5. No countrey in Christendome acknovvledgeth the prince for supreame head beside Englande Lutherus Contra Art Louauienses Tom. 2. Magdeb. in praefat Cent. 7. Caluinus in Osee. 1. et Amos. 7 Iacob Acontius StratageÌ„ Satanae lib. 3. See the leafe 15. Andreas Modre de Ecclesia lib. 2. c. 10. 1. The first vntruthe slaÌ„derouâ— coÌ„cerniÌ„g M. FekeÌ„hams meaning 2. His chief â–ª end vvas farr othervvise as shall appeare The cause vvhy M. FekenhaÌ„ deliuered his litle Treatise to M. Horne Fol. 1. pag. 2. Vvhy M. F. caused the same to be deliuered to some of the CouÌ„cell The third vntruth you neuer proue the like gouernemente Namely in al Ecclesiastical things and causes The principal questions coÌ„cerning Ecclesiastical regiment vvhich M. Horn doth not onâ— touche No such regiment as M. Horne defeÌ„deth among al the sectes sauing in England M. Horne himselfe denieth this supremacie in al causes â—cclesiastical The vneuen dealing of the protestants A challenge to M. Horn. M Horns tale incredible M. Horn's late bragge The 4 vntruthe For he vvrongfully alleageth both the vvordes and meaning of his Authours The 5. vntruthe in vvrongfully charging M. FekeÌ„ham for the Title of his treatise The 6. vntruthe the resolutioÌ„s are truly reported as shal appeare The 7 vntruthe Slaunderous Hovv vvel M. â—orne kâ—peth his ovvn rule of circumstances In vvhat point the title of M. Fek. Treatise may be counted faulty M. Horne no Bisâ—h nor Pâ—elate of the Garter M. Horn the firste B. of his race in the See of Vvinchester In the Fortresse of our first faith annexed to Ven. Bede par 2 cap. 1.3 8. The Protestantes vvoÌ„derfully trobled about the questioÌ„ of the continual succession of Bisshops Lecherie turned into the name of vvedlock M. Horn and his fellovves accoÌ„pted heretikes by the Apologie of England Apologia Lati. in 8. pag 33. Religion â—â—ered in â—ngland â—gaiÌ„st the 〈◊〉 of the vvhole Clâ—rgie M. Horn can not defend and mainteine his heresies nor himself to be a Bisshop by anie lavve of the Realme See the Apologie of Staphilus Fol 81. The .8 vntruth slaÌ„derouse 〈◊〉 in dâ—â—de the vvâ—orste kindes of speaches In all that bookâ— of M Feck The 9. vntruth M. FekenhaÌ„ vvas neuer so ansvvered the 10. vntruth Incredible The .11 vntruth There vvas no suche reporte made The .12 vntruth slaÌ„derous The .13 vntruth notoriously slaÌ„derous Concerning the confereÌ„ce at VVestmynster in the first yere of the Quenes Maiesties Reigne The questioÌ„s disorderly put out At MoÌ„ster by reason of Disputations in one yere the Lutherans thrust out the Catholiks the Anabaptists the LutheraÌ„s Sleiden lib. 10. The clergies sute to the parliameÌ„t The Catholikes not suffred to replie The Catholikes required in Aphrica the Popes legate to be present in disputations with the AriaÌ„s Vict. lib. 2. de perseq-Vandal The .14 Vntruth That M. FekenhaÌ„ shoulde geue vp his Treatise in vvriting after he vvas resolued by M. Horn. In the ansvvere to the resolutioÌ„s the 440 leaf The 15. vntruethe vilainouâ— and slauâ—derous M FekenhaÌ„ by all his dedes hath allvvaies shevved himselfe a most obedient subiect The 16. vntruthe Diuelish and spritish The 17.18 and 19 vntruthâ— blasphemous horrible and vilainous For neither is the pope any heretike neither do Catholiks make him their God Neither wish tâ—ei hiÌ„ to reigne in the Quenes place that is to haue teÌ„poral iurisdiction as the Quenes Maâ— hath Act. 5. Act. 24. Vict de per seq Vand. An olde practise of Infidels Ievves and heretâ—ks Sedition the pecuiiar fruitâ— of heresy Vide vvald doct fidei tom 2. Doctrinali Documento 1 Aene. Pius in Praefaet De orig Bohemiae Nauclerus generat 49. pag. 48â— Polidore lib. 22. Hist. Ang. Sleidan lib 4. in sine IdeÌ„ li. 17. 19. In Apolog. hart 3. Of the late rebellion in Flanders In Resp. Ducissae 6. Aprilis Pulchrum est coruos deludere hiantes * An vnmanerlie talke meet for so clenly a Gospel Recueil de â—hoses aduenues en Anuers An. 1566. By vvhat meanes the nevv prechiÌ„gâ— entered first the tovvne of Antvverp The Catholikes no seditious subiects VVhye the catholiks shuld be borne vvithal The Queenes title Defender of the faith The obedience of the EuaÌ„gelicall brethren in causes Ecclesiastical Magdeb. pref ceÌ„t 7 The LutheraaÌ„ in Germany deny this supremacie Cent. â— CoÌ„tra artic Lou. Tom. 2. Andreas Modreuius de Ecclesia lib. 2. c. 10. The Zvvinglians deny this supremacy Caluin c. 7. Amos. A nevve secte in Englâ—nd contrary to al the vvorlde beside as vvel papistes as protestants They may be called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Laicocephali as ye vvold say Lay-heads or Laiehead makers Antonie Gilbie in his admonition to England and ScotlaÌ„d to call them to repeÌ„taÌ„ce ImpriÌ„ted at Geneua by Iohn Criâ—pine 1558. p 69 * See how religiosly the Protestantes speake of their Princes Ibidem Fol. 70. Gilbies iudgemeÌ„t concerninge the religion that novv is Iohn Knokes in his appellation and his exortatioÌ„ to the nobilitie of Scotland Fol. 77. ImpriÌ„ted at Geneua An 1558. In his appellation to the Nobility the .36 leafe Christopher GoodmaÌ„ how Superiours ought to be obeied and imprinted at Geneua by Iohn Crispin 15â—8 c. 5. fol. 54. Cap 8. fol. 96. M. Sands M. Vvhitingam in the Preface A moste true defence for M FekeÌ„ham The 20. vntruthe For not in actioÌ„s belongiÌ„g properly to the things gouerned but beloÌ„ging properly to the gouernour and to his end The 21. vntruthe proued to be so by M. Horn him selfe â–ª as it shall straight appere The 22. vntruthe M. FekeÌ„ham affirmed no such thiÌ„g The definitioÌ„ of a Supreme Gouernour How the prince is the Supreame head and gouernour of al persoÌ„s Th ende of the teÌ„poral gouernmeÌ„t The ende of the spiritual gouernmeÌ„t VVhy Princes are most bound to aide the â—pirituall povver Fol. 96.97 M. Horn contrary to himself The 23 vntruthe slaÌ„derous For M. FekenhaÌ„ so did
not as an vnfaithful subiect but as a repentaÌ„t Catholik The 24. vntruth This is no parte at al of the Princes royal povver Mutato nomine de te fabula narratur * If your abilitie be no better then here apeareth it is none al all The .25 vntruth The Tovver is not M. FekenhaÌ„s hold For it holdeth him not he it The .26 vntruth The Quenes highnes vvordes in the Tovver can testifie the contrary 27. A heape of slaunderous and railing vntrute Hovve a spirituall man is vnderneath the Prince aÌ„d hovv he is not An heapâ— of vntruthes vvherevvith M. Fekenham is falslie charged After Gods plague M. Horne beganne his plage Thom. Aquin. quaest 1. de malo The 28. vntruthe For no man can knovv that vvhich is not true * A rablement of vntruthâ— The 29. vntruthâ— Slaunderous and reprochful The .30 vntruth This was not the cause of his enprisonment as shall appeare The .31 vntruthe slaÌ„derous he vvas not deliuered vpon any promise of recantatioÌ„ but to be disputed vvithal The 32. vntruthe mere slauÌ„derous as may vvel appere by this your booke Sapien. 1. The geÌ„tle and louiÌ„g haâ—te of M. Horn. Tho. aqui de malo quast 3. In Opusc. contra errores Graecorum OsteÌ„ditur etiaÌ„ quòd subesse Romano PoÌ„tifici sit de necessitate salutis No man caÌ„ know an vntruthe The cause of M. Fekenhams imprisonment in K. Edvvardes dayes Disputatioâ—â— had vvith M. FekenhaÌ„ Vide disputa venerabiliuÌ„ sacerdotuÌ„ Antuerp impress 1564. August in Psal. 54. super versum Diuisi sunt praeira c. See Syr Thomas More in a letter vvriten to Syr Thomas Cromwel fol. 1426. 1427. Syr Tho. Mores first opinioÌ„ of the Popes primacy The Popes primacy instituted by God Though the Primacie vver noâ— ordeined of God yet could it not be reiected by anie one Realme Luc. 22. M. FekeÌ„haÌ„ more coÌ„firmed then he vvas before euen by M. Hornes booke Sap. 1. In the GeneuiaÌ„ Bibleâ— printed at Geneua An. 1562 Vide Hosium coÌ„tr Brent li. 3 The .33 vntruth imploying a coÌ„tradictioÌ„ to your former ansvvere made to M. Fek. as shall appere The first ansvvere of M. Horne to M. Fekenham M. Horns secoÌ„d ansvvere coÌ„trarye to the first Truth is simple aÌ„d vniform The .34 and .35 vntruthâ— in false traÌ„slatiÌ„g and leauing out a part of the senteÌ„ce materiall The .36 vntruth Tâ—e gloss ordinar hathe no suche thing The .37 Vntruth The place of the Deuteronomy flatly belyed M. Hornes vnskilfulnes Deut. 17. In the greate Bible dedicated to King Edward the 6 printed 1549. Both the boks of scripture and thexposition must be taken at the priests hands An other sentence in the said chapter by M. Horn alleaged that ouer throvveth all his boast Deut. 13. Heresie is Idolatry Vinc. Lyr. aduersus prophan nouit Hieron Zach. c. 13 Esai c. 2. 8. Augu. de vera religion c. 38. * Regarde and chief rule Care and Suprem gouernmeÌ„t are ij diuerse thiÌ„ges The 38. vntruth For Moyses vvas the chiefe prieste as shal be proued Moyses All M. Hornes examples out of the old testament ansvvered alredy by M. Doct. Harding and M. Dorman Psalm 98 Hieron in IouinianuÌ„ lib. 1. Greg Nazian in oration de Moyse Aaron in orat habita in praesentia fratris Basilij c. Philo Iudeus de vita Moysi lib. 3. Exod 24 Ibidem Exod. 29. 35. Deut. 34. Deut. 18. Act. 3. et 7. Act. 7. MeÌ„ must iudge by Lavv and not by examples The .39 vntruth Iosue had not the Supreme gouernement in causes Ecclesiastical but Eleazarus had it The .40 vntruth For beside In all things to be don of Iosue Eleazar shoulde instruct him Iosue 3.4 5 6.8.23.24 Iosue no Supreme Gouernour in al Ecclesiasticall causes Num 27 M. Nowel put to his shifts by M. Dorman Num. 27. Iosue 3 4.5.6.8.23.24 Iosue 13. Num. 17. Fol 23. 24. 2 Sam 5. The .41 vntruth Dauid vvas not Supreme gouernor in al manner causes but suffred the Leuites in Churche matters to liue vnder the rule of their high Priest 1. Par. 13.15.16 Dauid in all these matters determimined no doctrine nor altered any religion agaiÌ„st the Priestes vvilles of his ovvn Supreme authoritye Dauid 1 Par. 16. 1. Par. 24. 2. Par. 29. Naueler Generat 29. pag 51 52. Krantz lib. 2. c 9. Iuo Carnot lib. 5. Nec vlterius liceat retractari per appellationis negotium quod episcoporum iudicio reciditur The .42 vntruth For Salomon of his ovvn authoritie as your argument runneth deposed not Abiathar but executed only the sentence pronouÌ„ced before by Samuell Gods minister The .43 vntruth Those vvordes are not in the scripture alleged Novvel fol. 166. col 1. M. Horne ouerthrovven coÌ„cerning the deposition of Abiathar by the very next line of his ovvne text guilefully by hiÌ„ omitted 3. Reg. c. 2 The 44. vntruth The Scripturâ— termetâ— not any such Princely Authoâ—ity 2 Par. 17. Gloss. oâ—d * Not by his ovvn lavves enacting a religion vvhich preachers shoulde svveare vnto 2. Par. 19. * Yea the Priestes iudged not the King The 45. vntruth Thereappereth not in Scripture any such prescriptioÌ„ made vno the chiefe Priests 2. Par. 20. 2. Par. 19 8. In his quae ad Deum perâ—inent praesidebit Exod. 4. 18. M Horn confounded by his ovvne book and Chapter 4. Reg. 18. 2. Par. 29. The 46. vntruth Those vvordes concerning thiÌ„gs of the Lord are no vvordes of the text but faâ—sly added to holy Scripture The 47 vnâ—ruth Holy Scripture falsified aÌ„d may â—ed as it shal appere 2. Par. 30. 4. Reg. 18. 2. Par. 29 2. Par. 31. 2. Par. 29. The .48 vntruth Boldly auouched but no vvay proued The 49. vntruth as before but somvvhat more impudent Iosias It is here declared that M. Horne coÌ„meth nothing nigh the principal question Generall CouÌ„cels abandoned out of England by acte of Parliament Note Gen. 47. The .50 vntruth Moste slaunderous M. Horne him selfe and his fellovves are in many poiÌ„ts Donatistes as shal appeare The 51. vntruth Answere the Fortresse M. Horne annexed to S. Bede if you dare to defend this most sensible and most grosse lye August Epist. 43. 50. Lib. 2. cont lit Pet. ca. 92 Lib 2. con Ep. 2. Gaud. ca. 2â— M. Horns disorderly Treatise M. Horns and his fellovves auÌ„cetors August et Epiphae de haeres Hier. con Iouinian Ambro. li. 10. epi. 18 Ambros. serm 91. Euth in Panopl tit 33. Euth Zigab in Panop tit 21 Hiero. coÌ„t Vig. Ionas episcopus Aurelian coÌ„t Claudium Euth in Panop tit 22. August li. 1. cont 2. epis Pela ad Bonif. cap. 13. Cyril li 6. coÌ„t Iulia. Cyril lib. 6 contra IulianuÌ„ Aug. lib. 2 coÌ„tr 2. epi. Pelag. c. 4. Caluin in his Institutions cap. 18. in fine ArgeÌ„torati Impress An. 1545 Epiph. Philast de haeres Clemens li. 3. recog Iraeneus li 1. ca. 20. In the discourse annexed to Staphilus fol. 161. sequent Protestants be Donatists 1. The dissentioÌ„ of the
no coÌ„spiracy * modestia vestra M Horne nota sit omnibus hominibus The Turke is muche bovvnde to M. Horn aÌ„d to his M. Luther and other his fellovves Art 34. Vide Rofens Vide dubitantium Lindain pag. 322. ex MaÌ„lio â—om 3 in loc Com. pag. 195. Vide Crispinum in historia pseudomartyruÌ„ lib. 5. in Claudio Monerio The .558 Vntruth Shamful For they are your very own as it shall appeare The .559 Vntruth your interpretatioÌ„ agreeth vvith your resolutioÌ„s the interpretation exceptiÌ„g certaine iurisdiction in causes Ecclesiasticall from the Prince vvhereof doth follow that as the resolutions reporte the Othe must not be taken as it lieth Verbatim * So al general couÌ„celles are excluded * VVhy theÌ„ do ye exclude out of the Oth prechiÌ„g MinistriÌ„g of sacrameÌ„ts bindiÌ„g aÌ„d losing etc The .560 vntruth Not against him selfe For first you saied so but in your resolutioÌ„s and interpretation of the Othe you saie the coÌ„trary And so in both places you are truly charged The 561. vntruth M. FekeÌ„ham denieth it not in any his vvordes aboue rehersed The .562 vntruth M. FekeÌ„haÌ„ neuer yelded to any your proofes reasons or Auâ—horites Fol. 96. 97. Fol. 107. 108. Fol. 105.107 A contradiction irrecoÌ„cileable in M. Horne Note Act. 20. Ioan. 20. Math. 16. Act. 8. Heb. 13. Ezech. Ioan. Antoniê° Delph lib. 2. The .563 vntruthe Preachinge and Ministration of Sâ—craments â–ª pertayne not to the secrete Courte of Conscience The .564 vntruthe Neither preaching of the Ghospell nor ministration of the Sacramentâ— is referred to Iurisdiction not cohibitiue by his Author alleaged The .565 vntruthe For there is no suche diuision of the Cohibityue Iurisdiction The .566 vntruthe For excommunication properly belongeth to bisshops The .567 vntruthe Quintinus speaketh there of temporall Iurisdiction not of Ecclesiasticall The .568 vntruthe Antonius falsified He speaketh not of this Iurisdiction that is of that vvhich cometh from the prince onely The .569 vntruthe A great deale left out in the midle â–ª plainly confutinge M. Horns purpose The .570 vntruthe Your own Author Antonius calleth this Opinion ImpiuÌ„ erroreÌ„ a vvicked errour An ansvvere to Io. Anto. Delphinê° Io. Anthonius Delde potesta Eccles. Venet 1552. in 8. Tvvo povvers in the Churche the firste of order or of the keyes the second of iurisdiction Fol. 105. a. Lib. 2. pa. 76. Lib. 2. pa. 36. b. 37. a. Io. Anth. Delph lib. 2. pag. 76. b. Quamuis praelati superioris voluntate quis parochiali sacerdoti subijciatur tameÌ„ nisi ipse vltro subijciat seipsuÌ„ nuÌ„quam poterit absolui à peccatis In secretissimo eniÌ„foro coÌ„scieÌ„tiae nemo absoluitur inuitê° M. Horne in dauÌ„ger of a premunire M. Horns doctrine maketh frustrate al the excoÌ„munications made in England theis .8 yeares An other irrecoÌ„ciliable coÌ„tradictioÌ„ in M. Horne Fol. 3. co 2. 1. Cor. 15. 1. Cor. 4. 1. Tim. 1. 1. Cor. 6. ActoruÌ„ 5. Nicephor lib. 13. cap. 34. IdeÌ„ lib. 12. Cap. 41. See hovv M Horne playeth the Cacuâ— to take avvay the authority of excommunication from the PriÌ„ce IdeÌ„ lib. 2. pag. 84. Determinata in coÌ„cilio confirmare excoÌ„municare excommunicatos cuÌ„ vt decet resipiscunt ecclesiae reconciliare casus reseruare reseruatos casus relaxare dare indulgentias penas quae pro peccatis infliguntur coÌ„mutare Idem Quamuis potestas Ecclesiasticae spiritualisque iurisdictionis conueniat praebeaturque non sacerdotibus noÌ„ tamen puris Laicis neque religiosis corona clericali carentibus Pag. 85. The .571 vntruthe M. FekeÌ„hams obiection is of the first kind not of the secoÌ„d kiÌ„d The .572 vntruthe Sclaunderous M. FekenhaÌ„ reported the effecte of the Othe truely The .573 vntruthe For that is moste true as it shal appeare The .574 vntruth The expresse wordes of the Statute doe geue to the prince povver to Authorise men to vse all maner of iurisdictions as it is here reported absolutely Ergo it geueth to the Prince the iurisdictioÌ„s also * Marke If this iurisdiction be vnited to the croun which the Prince in al maner doth assigne name aÌ„d authorise other to execute why saied you before that the Statute gaue not to the prince all maner of Iurisdictions The .575 vntruthe It is no sophisticatioÌ„ at al you proue no such thing The .576 vntruth For they are not restrained in any part of the Acte The .577 vntruthe This limitatioÌ„ vveÌ„t before it is not added after those general vvordes here noted See the Acte it selfe Againe it is in effecte no limitation at all as shall appeare The .578 vntruthe These words make no limitation of ecclesiastical iurisdiction authorised by the prince neither doe appertayne therevnto The .579 vntruthe This is a false addition not expressed in the Acte but rather denyed by the generality thereof The .580 vntruthe To say so is impâ—us error A vvicked errour by Antonius Delphinus M. Hornes Authour The .581 vntruthe Sclaunderous The vvords of the Acte vvere by M. FekeÌ„ham plainely and truely sette forth The .582 vntruth Ioyned vvith an heresie as shall appeare * Such an euel coÌ„sequeÌ„t you haue vsed throughout your booke of certaine dealings coÌ„cluding supreÌ„ gouernment in al causes The .583 Vntruthe M Fekenham argueth not so * TheÌ„ S. Bernardis a Papist who saith so Epist. 238. Solus ipse Rom. Pont. plenitudineÌ„ habet potestatis The .584 Vntruthe For M. Fek. therby coÌ„cludeth that by such coÌ„missioÌ„ beiÌ„g geueÌ„ to bishops immediatly froÌ„ God in som spirituall causes the PriÌ„ces authorising for al maner of spiritual causes to be vsed and exercised is vvrongfully geuen by the Acte The 585. vntruth ioyned vvith an heresy * Here M. Horne coÌ„deÌ„neth the doinges in kinge Edwardes daies and now also for an horrible absurdite as shall appeare The .586 vntruthe Vnproued as before †A nevv terme for a nevv doctrine †This is againste the Acte For no Iurisdiction vvhat soeuer can be vsed or exercised in EnglaÌ„de vvithout the Princes special commission Act 20. Ioan. 20. Math. 26. Act. 8. M. Horne frameth argumeÌ„ts of his ovvn aÌ„d theÌ„ laieth theÌ„ forth as M. FekenhaÌ„s argumeÌ„tes M. Horne taketh vpoÌ„ him to restrayn the general vvordes of the statute to take avvay from the Prince the Autority of excoÌ„munication See the absurdity of M. Horne in expouÌ„ding the Othe Edvvard 6. Dei grat c ReuereÌ„d Thomae Cant Archiepisc. etc. Quando quideÌ„ omnis iuris diâ—eÌ„di authoritas atque etiaÌ„ iurisdictio omnimoda taÌ„ illa quae Ecclesiastica dicitur ê— secularis à regia potestate velut à supremo cap. c. Dat. 7. die meÌ„s Feb. An. 1546. Regni nostri primo Ibidem Ad ordinaÌ„duÌ„ igitur quoscuÌ„que intra diocoesin tuaÌ„ CaÌ„tuar ac ad omnes etiaÌ„ sacros presbyterariâ—s ordines ê“moueÌ„duÌ„ praesent atosque etiam ad beneficia eccles c. Ibâ—dem Per praesentes ad nostruÌ„ dunt axat beneplacituÌ„ duraturas cuÌ„ cuiuslibet coÌ„gruae Ecclesiasticae coertionis potestate Per literas datas 4.
Maij. An. 1547. ad eundeÌ„ Tho. Cantur Per alias liter datas dict 4. Maii. An. 1548.28 Iunij Acts and Monumentes Fol. 771. An. 15â—0 Decem. 15. Actes and monumentes Fol. 777. Ibidem Fol. 867. Actes and Monumentes Fol. 693. 720. Horne Fol. 103. b. 104. a. Fol. 108. b VVherof the whole alteratioÌ„ of religioÌ„ hath proceded in England Take hede M Horne of periurie Fol. 104. Malach. 5 2. Tim. 1. Vide Ambros de Poenitent lib. 1. c. 2. Math. 9. Math. 9. Lucae 24. Act. 19. Act. 8. Vide caput Spiritus sanctus et cap. de ijs verò c. vt Episcopi de consecratione Exod. 24. Exod. 29. Num. 27. The .587 Vntruth For S. Paul saith so as shall appeare The .588 vntruth That is spokeÌ„ of S Paule generally of the vvhole lawe Lyra. The .589 vntruth It maketh not a whit against M. Fekenhams coÌ„clusion Aaron theÌ„ being not yet Priest at all The .590 vntruth For the sequele is good as it shal appeare The .591 vntruth The vvoorde temporall lewdely added to holy scripture M. Horne vseth no faire play vvith his aduersary Tha thE old testament is a figure of the nevv Heb. 10. 1. Cor. 9. Non obligabis os bo uâ— trituraÌ„ti nuÌ„quid debobuâ— cura est Deo naÌ„ propter nos vtique scriptum est Ad Galath 4. 1. Cor. 10. Haec in figura facta sunt nostri mox Haec oiÌ„a coÌ„tigerunt illis in figura Ad. He. 10. VmbraÌ„ eniÌ„ habens lex futuroruÌ„ bonoruÌ„ noÌ„ ipsam imaginem rerum Greg. Nazianz in â—rat De S. Pascha Pascha legale figura figurae erat c. 1. Cor 13. Adhuc in aenigmate Illic facie ad faciem In orat de S. Pascha 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Deut. 17. Qui auteÌ„ superbierit nolens obedire sacerdotis imperio ex decreto Iudicis morietur homo ille 2. Par. 19. Amarias auÌ„t sacerdos poÌ„tifex vester in his quae ad DeuÌ„ pertineÌ„t praefidebit There is a greater necessity to haue one high prieste among the ChristiaÌ„s theÌ„ the Ievves had 1. Cor. 11. M. Horne setteth forth his ovvn argumeÌ„ts as thoughe they vver M. Fekenhams 1. Reg. 4. 1. Mach. 14 Mala. 2. Deute 17. Cypr. lib. 1. epist. 3. Quibus honor taÌ„tus de Dei dignatione conceditur vt quisquis sacerdoti eius ad tempus hic iudicanti non obteÌ„peraret statim necaretur Vide Exod. 24. 28. Io. cap. 9. 12. Lib. 1. hist. Tripa c. 9. The .592 vntruthe No maruail at all For all Gods Councel that Paule shewed is not expressly mentioned in the Scripture It is a most fond collection The 593. vntruthe The Apostles exercised such iurisdiction vvith out any commission but from God The .594 vntruthe The bishops exercised al kind of IurisdictioÌ„ ecclesiast before Constantine vvas borne The .595 vntruthe Constantin gaue to the Pope no suche Authority but furdered the executioÌ„ thereof Dist. 86. The .596 vntruthe For this grauÌ„t touched not the ecclesiastical ordinarye iurisdiction of Bisshops The .597 vntruthe Bertrandus affirmeth the plain coÌ„trary Act. 20. M. Horns asserâ—ion incredible Vide const Apostol Clementis in Tom. 1. CoÌ„cil vlt. editionis Eus. eccle hist. li. 5. c. 23. lib. 7. cap. 26. 28. lib. 6. cap. 43. Socra lib. 2. cap. 43. Niceph. li. 4. cap. 22. Euse. li. 4. ca. 11. li. 7. ca. 26. Chryso in orat coÌ„tra gent. quòd vnus sit Deus Euse. eccl hist. li. 7. cap. 26. Euseb. lib. 5. cap. 28. IdeÌ„ eodeÌ„ lib cap. 25. Euseb. lib. 6. cap. 25. Vide decr epist. Antheri Ievvel in his reply pag. 223. Vide Sab. Aenead 7. lib. 7. Niceph. li. 14. c. 39. Niceph li. 7. cap. 46. VVhat maner of iurisdiction coÌ„stantin gaue to the Bishopes Euseb. li. 4 cap. 27. De vita Constant. VVhat kinde of iurisdiction Theodosius aÌ„â— Carolus Magnus gaue the Bisshops Vide. c. quicuÌ„que etc. volumus 11. q. QuicuÌ„que litem habens siue petitor fuerit alià s siue reus vel dâ— cursis temporum curriculis siue cum negotium peroratur siue cum iam coeperit promi senteÌ„tia si iudiciuÌ„ elegerit sacrosanctae sedis aâ—tistitis ilico sine aliqua dubitatione etiam si pars alia refragatur ad episcoporum iudicium cum sermone litigantium dirigatur Petrus Bertrandus in libello de iurisdictione ecclesiasticae Sed dices quòd ista lex est abrogata vt videtur tangere glosa ibidem sed hoc non valet quia licet ista lex non fuerit in corpore iuris redacta tamen propter hoc noÌ„ est abrogata imò c coÌ„sider hovv haÌ„dsomly M Horn alleageth BertraÌ„dus Vide. Horne fol. 82. Consider how haÌ„somly M. Horne alleageth Bertrandus Vide Horn Fol. 82. The Popes authoritie that M. Horne denieth confessed by infidelles Ammian Marc. reruÌ„ Rom. lib. 15. Euseb. lib. 7. c. 26. Vide libelluÌ„ eius adiunctuÌ„ epistolis Leonis 1. impress Col. in fo cap. 13. Augustin Stenchus Eugubin In NomocanoÌ„ Phâ—tij titulo 8. Distinct. 96. c. Constantinus Quoniam vbi principatus Sacerdotum Christianae religionis caput ab imperatore coelesti constitutum est iustum non est vt illic imperator terrenus habeat potestatem Act. 15. The .598 vntruth For the Apostles and the Elders named of S. Luke vvere priestes The .599 vntruth M. FeckeÌ„haÌ„ saied not of the Apostles alone but by the Apostles and priestes which is true The .600 vntruth S. Luke saieth no such thiÌ„g of the vvhole congregation The .601 vntruthe The people had not to doe vvith determination of it The .602 vntruthe For it proueth Iurisdiction in the clergy and povver to make ecclesiastical lawes vvithout conmission from the Prince Act. 15. Concerning the decree of the Apostles made at Hierusalem Concerning this vvorde prieste Prebstre Prete Priester Priest Theodoret. in commeÌ„tar in epi. 1. Tim. 3. Phil. 2. Hom. 36. in 1. cor 4. Act. 15. Act. 15. IbideÌ„ 14. Ibidem 2. To .1 CoÌ„c Act. 1. pa. 745. vel postr edit tom 3. pag. 19. Act. 1. pa. 775. pag. 47. Tom. 2. edit postr Act. 8. Act. 15. 1. Cor. 11. 1. Cor. 13. The .603 vntruth For the scriptures report so much in effect The .604 vntruth The actes speake of no such visitatioÌ„ The .605 vntruth as it shall appeare The .606 vntruth slaunderous boldly auouched but no vvay proued The .607 Vntruth slaÌ„derous as before The .608 Vntruth The titles of diuerse of theÌ„ are to be fouÌ„d there The .609 Vntruth The Bisshops of the CanoÌ„ lavve are such as the Scripture describeth Lib. 50. Tit. 4. De muner honor The .610 Vntruth Euer repeted but neuer proued The .611 Vntruthe For it proueth an ordinarie power in bisshops aboute the Sacrament of confirmation vvhich they exercised vvithout any commission from the Prince The 612. Vntruthe For he speaketh bothe of the ordinarie vse of that Sacrament and of the extraordinarie gift of Miracles The 613. Vntruthe For M. Fekenham argueth not