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A10173	Protestants demonstrations, for Catholiks recusance All taken from such English Protestant bishops, doctors, ministers, parlaments, lawes, decrees, and proceedings, as haue beene printed, published, or allowed among them in England; since the cominge of our king Iames into this kingdome: and for the most parte within the first six or seuen yeares thereof. And euidentlie prouinge by their owne writings, that english Catholiks may not vnder damnable syn, co[m]municate with English Protestants, in their seruice, sermons, or matters of religion: and soe conuincinge by the[m]selues, their religio[n] to be most damnable, & among other things, their ministery to bee voide, false & vsurped.	Broughton, Richard, attributed name.	1615 (1615)	STC 20450; ESTC S112509	81,861	158

ministery wee are all one wee are all of one faithe VVee are ministers of the worde by one order wee preache one faith and substance of doctrine Then which nothing was euer more truly said or written Willet Antilog pag. 15. 20. Your greate Controuertist D. Willet writeth thus amonge protestants of ●ngland there is noe difference or diss●nt in any substantiall point of faith As for puritans and Caluinio-papists they are termes of papists deuisinge D. Georg● Abb. sup pa. 90. 106. 236. 237. Povvell sup pag. 48. 52 Your present protestant Archbishop of Canterbury is soe confident herein that hee vseth thes wordes Noe Goliath against vs can proue the contrary D. Powell with publicke approbation hath thes wordes Noe reformer euer distinguished betweene protestants and them of the reformed church The puritans doe not affirme the diuision betweene protestants and them to bee in substantiall points non but papists affirme that protestants and puritans differ in substantiall points of faith and hee lyeth which saith they differ in substantiall poyntes Like are the testimonies of others But thes are fullie sufficient in this place Therefore seeing I am to alleadge onelie causes and reasons essentiall and substantiall in Religion from thes your english protestant Bishops and doctors why their countrie Catholicks may not by their owne doctrines and proceedings communicate with them in matters of Religion It is euident that noe english protestant or puritane may or in conscience ought to denie any such authoritie to bee cited in this treatise or any conclusion truelie and scientificallie deduced from such their allowed principles for in soe doeinge by their generall graunt before hee should become a papist and a recusant to communicate with protestants or a blasphemous Goliah vncircumcised philistine or a lyer by their owne censure and Iudgment which would bee new and vrgent causes to auoide all spirituall communion with such men Wherevppon presuminge that noe aduersarie will soe muche disable my studyes in diuinitie and artes subordinate vnto yt But that I am able from graunted and allowed principles to deduce necessarie and vndemiable Conclusions I therefore doe confidentlie name this worke A booke of english protestants Demonstrations for English Catholicks recusancie Because the moste iust causes of Catholicks refusall to communicate with protestan●s in Religion are euidentlie proued by those protestants them selues in this Treatise And soe in all obedient and humble manner I take my leaue I rest and hope to continue for euer in all dutifull and beseeminge obedience and loue to our moste blessed Sauiour his Holie church and Religion his maiestie my dearest countrie and your Lordships the moste honorable portion thereof as I haue before professed and obliged myselfe by attestation and bonde vnuiolable PROTESTANTS DEMONSTRATIONS FOR CATHOLICKS RECVSANCIE The first particular protestant Demonstration why english Catholicks may not communicate in spirituall thinges with protestants is because by their owne testimonies yt would bee an act and offence vnreasonable irreligious and damnable THAT it is not lawfull for any Catholicke or member of the Romane church to communicate in Religion and spirituall thinges with the protestants of England I demonstrate by their owne testimonies And first argue thus Noe professors of Religion may lawfully and with securitie forsake that church and communion in which by the testimonie of aduersaries themselues there is saluation and many haue beene by that profession glorious Saints to communicate with a new Religion whereof there is noe such hope or certaine expectation But the state of Catholicks by communicating w●th protestants and forsakinge vnion with the church of Rome should bee in this ●erplexitie euen by thes protestants confession Therefore they may not in conscience forsake communion with the Romane church to ioyne with thes protestants in such busines The fi●st proposition is euidently true for good thinges and certaine may not bee left and forsaken for thinge● either euill or vncertainely good And that men may not communicate in a straunge Religion is confirmed by D. Couell and M. Hull prouinge yt by many Couell exā ●a 200. 201 Hul. Rom. ●ol p. 30. 31 32. 33. 34. Sutcliff exā of petit pa. 10. 11. Povvel ref ●pist apolo●●tic pag. ●5 23. 26. 27. 100. 114 112. 113. c. Feild pa. 27 pag. 182. examples and testimonies of scriptures and antiquitie T●at wee may not communi●ate ●ith men of a diuers Religion D. Sutcliffe telleth vs that such communion is reproued by the authoritie both of the fathers of the church and of aun●i●nt Christian Emp●rors The like hee testifieth of Holy scriptures M. Powell is plentifull in this matters and not needfull to bee cited no● man of learninge and conscience affirminge communion in a false or contrary Religion to bee lawfull The minor proposition of certaintie of saluation in the Roman church is thus confirmed by thes protestants D. Feilds wordes bee thes the Romane and la●ine church continued the true church of God euen till our tyme and againe in this maner Wee doubt not but the church of R●me in which the Bishop thereof exalt●d himselfe was not withstanding● the true c●urch of God that is hel● a sauing profession of the truthe in Christ and by force thereof conuerted many contryes from error to truthe D. Couell writeth thus in the name of them all Protestants Couell def of hooke pa. 68. doe gladly acknowledge them of the Romane church to bee t●● family of ●hesus Christ they of Rome Were still are in the church it ●● straunge for any man to deny them of Rome to bee of the church Wee affirme them of the Romane church Couell supr pag 73. 76. to bee partes of the church of Christ and that those that lyue and dye in that church may bee saued Yett both hee and D. Feild giue this sentence Couell sup pag. 76. Feild p. 69. Feild pag. 182. there i● noe saluation remission of synnes or hope of eternall life out of the church D. Feild further telleth vs that diuers of the Romane church euen of the best learned that coulde not pleade Ignorance bee saued and Saints in heauen Their Bishop Barlowe hath written how greate difficultie it is for princes to bee saued Barl. ag a name l●sse Cathol Willet An. pag. 144. Speede Theat of greate Britan yett D. Willet writeth thus it is not denyed by any protestant but many renowned kinges and Queenes of the Romane faithe are Saincts in heauen The names of our moste holy kinges and Queenes of England which M. Speede in his late Theater of greate Britanie relateth to haue forsaken their Crownes and kingdomes to become pore Monkes Nunnes in that church and Religion and to bee chronicled for all posterities to haue beene moste holy one ●arthe and now glorious Saints in heauen are too many to bee recited Therefore seing thes protestants assure vs that the church of Rome is the true church of Christ they that liue and dye in yt come to heauen and many

admitt for the greatest reason of satisfaction For if it bee held an excellent point of phisicke ex vipera theriac●m to turne po●son into an Antidote against poyson and in God accompted an highe degree of vengeance to turne the Egyptians against the Egyptians and in Dauid celebrated as a principall matter of triumphe to cutt of Goliah his heade with his owne sworde and in Christ obserued as an vnansweareable matter of conuiction to iudge the euill seruant by his owne mouthe and acknowledged in S. Paule as the moste expedite meanes of confutation of the men of Crete to oppose against them their owne c. And yett to giue them more aduantage I wil demonstrate onelie by those english writers and proceedings of their protestant Religion which haue beene printed published or allowed amonge them synce his maiesties cominge into England and principallié within the first sixe or seuen yeares thereof that english Catholicks soe greuously punished for refusinge to communicate with their contrie protestants in sacraments seruice sermons or exercises of their Religion cannot doe yt by their owne Iudgments nor they exact yt without moste greuous deadelie and damnable syn And because I freelie acknowledge myselfe a preist of the Romane church and offer to defend or proue against all protestants or other Enemies the moste honorable dignitie of that sacred function And your proceedings propose oathes to trie the loialtie of english preists and Catholicks knowinge that wee will rather suffer deathe and all miseries as wee haue done then to sweare any the leaste things which wee thinke vntrue Beinge now come to my decaying time tree and fistie yeares of age doe take and leaue behinde mee as a memoriall of my Innocencie this ensuing oathe and desire it bee named An oathe of a Catholicke preist his true alleadgeancie to kinge and contrye Humblie submittinge my Iudgment in all religeous doctrine with all true Christiās to our mother church of Rome a Rule Kings sp●ac● in h●●● parlament to all both in doctrine and ceremonies as his maiesties publicke censure is I protest in verbo veritatis takinge God and the whole Court of heauen to wittnes that I neuer committed in deed word or consent any treason or conspiracie either against our kinge Iames his maiestie whose moste dutifull and obedient subiect in all ciuill obedience I humblye acknowledge myselfe and soe entreate to bee accepted of him or against Queene Elizabeth his predecessor or any forreyne prince in whose dominion I haue lyued And I call againe God and the Court of heauen to wittnes that I neuer committed against this kingdome of England my dearest contry or anyother state or prouince where I haue lyued or my parson in them lyuing or deceased murther theft Rapine violence vsury oppression encha●n●m●nt sorcerye fornication addultery or other carna●l act with any creature periurye false testimoni● gluttonie drunkennes or any greate or scandelous sinne to my knowledge disgracef●lly punishable by the lawes of England of which ● haue beene a student and by the grace of God giuen in my holy Religion I hope intend and purpose soe to perseuer all my life Soe helpe me God and his holy Saincts You see how confidentlie I haue sworne such an oathe of fidelitie and Innocencie from offence concerninge temporall Regiment or dutie of a subiect to his soueraigne as I stand in doubt whether any of your pretended Clea●gie protestant will second mee therein or noe And yett there is noe matter against your Religion conteyned in yt as your soe named newe oathe of alleadgeance comprehendeth against the Pope and church of Rome as they haue censured to whome soe greate respect as before is due by your owne doctors sentences But I am out of all doubt that manie reuerende and learned preists of this kingdome will in Innocencie add to that which I haue begun And all the rest of that consecrated companie still sufferringe for that most glorious and holy cause will bee able to performe as much in that kinde as any temporall Soueraigne can in conscience exact of a spirituall and cleargie man and more then your best and moste selected Bishops or Ministers will assume to doe For matters of Religion this treatise will bee our warrant that wee must continue our vnitie with our Mother church of Rome and not with those whoe by their owne Iudgments and testimonies are Hereticks Scismaticks damnably seducers and seduced and such as by manie other titles by their owne conclusions are men not to bee communicated with in busines of Religion except men would willfullie incurre damnation Such as your moste allowed doctors writters are most manifestlie proued in this worke by their owne writings Therfore I craue pardon that the harshenes or distastfull euidence of thes protestant demonstrations bee not imputed vnto mee but to your owne protestant and puritane doctors Authors and publishers of them to the worlde for by their authorities and in their name I am to dispute proceede in euerie Argument and conuiction And because I desire to bringe securitie to all Readers that noe english protestant or puritane can by their owne Religion take iust exception against the weakest Conclusion of this booke I haue not handled any matters in yt but such as by their owne agreement ar essentiall materiall and fundamentall in Religion For how soeuer otherwise they disagree and ar not easelie to bee distinguished yett in thes soe necessarie and vnseperable things of true Religion as they tell vs they all agree D. Georg. Abb. ag Hill pag. 101. 102. 94. 106. 236. 237. 347. Doue persuas pag. 32. Morton full satisf pag. 18. The words of your present Archbishop of Canterbury ar thes protestants puritanes did neuer differ in any point of substance in substantiall points of faithe there is noe variance amonge vs. And this hee affirmeth seuen times at the leaste in one booke The protestant Bishop of Peterborough writeth thus in ma●ters of Religion wee all agree D. Morton D. Sutcliffe D. Willet Wotton Middleton Powell the Sutel ag k●ll pag. 42 Willet Antib pag. 15 Wottō def of Perk pag 28. Middl pag 201. Povvel ag ap ep pag. 48. 45. Abr●dg Edw. holy knight pag. 103. of his 〈◊〉 Puritanes in their Abridgment with others too manie to bee cited are of the same opinion And it is soe generallie allowed amonge them that they tell vs non but such as they terme Papists Goliathes vncircumcised Philistines lyers and will affirme the contrarie Your circumcised knight as hee will bee named writeth thus our formalists and Presbyterians how soeuer they bee somewhat different in habite yett are they vnited in harte readie at all times to Ioyne in battell against any vncircumcised Philistine that dares contest against the vniformitie of their Rogers pref to the booke of articles faith Your publick glosser vppon your approued articles writeth in this maner The verie brethren themselues doe write that in regard of the common groundes of Religion and the

they were noe Bishops being of necessitie either made by a woman which they confesse could not doe yt or by the pretended Bishops of kinge Edwards makinge vtterly alsoe as before condemned by lawe and the Iudges themselues And yett of thes twoe ab●urdities that which was the worst and moste absurde to bee made by a woman vncapable must needs bee their case For the new Booke of cōsecr statu An. 3. Ed 6. ca 12. Stat. 1. Mar. Booke of Article● of Religion 1562 articul 36. Stat. An. 8. Elizab. c. 1. forme and fashion of making pretended Bishops and preists in the time of the child kinge Edward the sixt abolished by Queene Mary was neuer reuiued by the english protestants vntill their booke of Articles made in the fourth or fift yeare of Queene Elizabeth made in their conuocation consisting as before is euident onely of lay men without authoritie receaued yt and was neuer allowed by parlament vntill this in the eight yeare of Queene Elizabeth Soe that by noe possibilitie thes after Acts if they had beene powerable in religeous causes the contrary whereof is euident could make soe many yeares before pretended and vnlawfull Acts and consecrations now to bee true and lawfull Therefore thes pretended protestant Bishops and Ministers can by noe power by their owne proceedings bee lawfull wanting both true forme matter maner men ordering and the Acts and Cōc Floren. in ●niō will apud ●arkes p. 137. 180. Park ib. ●il● sur● p. ●2 mort pa 2 Apol. p. 340 l. 4 c. 18 Relat. ca. 47 ●eild p. 202. 218. functions themselues as is before proued and ●ppeareth by the councell of ●lorence which D. Wille● M. Parkes and others allow for generall which D. Bil●on D. Mo●ton their Relator of Religi●n and D. Feild assure vs hath supreame power and authoritie to commaund all whomsoeuer to obey the definitions thereof Neither need I appeale to generall councells though their graunt in this Question for by their owne parl●ments Articles common writings and publicke doctrine yt is more then euident that their pretended Bishops by whome their ministers and other pretended Bishops bee made bee noe more Bishops then their ordina●y ministers none at all noe more then all lay men bee noe more nor soe much as kinge Edward 6. a child Q. Elizabeth a woman and our present and euer of mee moste honored kinge Iames were or is by their proceedings which is thus made euident by their owne Religion Euery distinct order hath some really and essentially distinct Act and office to execute which others from which it is distinguished haue not nor can performe But the pretended callinge of protestant Bishops in England by their owne proceedings hath noe such really and essentially distinct Act or office Therefore by their ow●e Religion it is noe distinct order The m●ior proposition is euidently true for euery dist●●ct Order power facultie or habilitie spirituall or other is soe knowne and distinguished The minor proposition is thus proued by themselues For whereas our Pontificall and scholes ascribe to episcopall Order Pōtifical in Ord. Sacer. ep●schol insacr ord in 3. p. d. Th. c. Articles of Relig. Artie sacram c thes Acts to cōsecrate Christne giue twoe sacraments Orders and confirmation thes protestants by their publick Articles and practice both deny all thes and yett ascribe noe other peculiar Act or office to their pretended Bishops make ministers and confirme children I answeare they deny both them to bee Sacraments and soe hauing noe misticall consecration but being onely ceremonies may bee vsed by men noe Bishops and soe in all protestants Presbyteries pretended ministers allowed by them are made by onely ministers and where the ceremonie of confirmation is allowed by protestants out of England it is al soe ministred by onely ministers and if thes doe not giue grace effectually as they say it is not necessarie to appoinct a distinct order for their ministration Soe there is now nothing left for thes pretended Bishops but pretended iurisdiction but this is from the kinge that is Queene Elizabeth and kinge Edward 6. before supreame in this busines and soe by their Religion more truely and better Bishops then Ridley Parker Whiteguift or any of that pretended calling And as the pretended Commissioners Stat. Ed. 6. Stat. An. 1. Eliz. cap. 1. Foxe tom 2 in Ed. 6. Eliz. Holin supr c. of kinge Edward and Q. Elizabeth related by their Statutes Foxe Hollinshed others withall power from them to reforme Religion were in thes mens doctrine more worthie the name of Bishops then they which haue that name but want that office power Soe his maiestie in their Religion by his supreamacie inspirituall things may by his letters patents and commission not onely with kinge Edward and Q Elizabeth authorize his Foxe in Ed v. in B. Card Stowe Hollinsh Speed c. An. 1 Eliza in histor lay Councellors and mere temporall men to Iudge depriue and depose Bishops but to bee allowed for Bishops Archbishops and higher patriarkes without any consecration or other ceremony They which gaue this power to Q. Elizabeth and our Soueraigne were onely lay men and neither any of them in particul●r or all in generall equall vnto him that is supreame Therefore it is his power by their doctrine at his pleasure without any ministers concurrence or consent to take order and neuer more neede then when their Religion is become a mockery of all true Religion in thes affaires and to make any the meanest subiect without any im●osing of handes speaking or prayer ouer him or other complement in such busines greater in callinge and dignitie then hee that beareth the name Archbishop primate of all England amonge them But the present soe named Archbishop of Obiect Canterbury director of M. Mason and his directed scholler perhaps will say that allthough D. Sutcliffe and too many others to bee cited and the said soe called Archbishop himselfe in and at other places and times for their adnantage and to serue their turne doe teach affirme as a matter of faith that the Pope is Antichrist noe true Bishop preist or maker of such yett in this their worke asscribed to M. Mason they confesse the contrary and therein they affirme that one of their pretended Consecrators Barlowe was a true Bishop and made by Romane or true catholick Consecration in the time of kinge Henry 8. And soe in time of necessitie such as their begynning was might make a Bishop Alas I cannot tell how to make Answ answeare to this obiection or rather petition not for any difficultie conteyned in yt But for feare of offence in speaking truth and giuinge the lye to soe many protestant Bishops and Doctors before soe confidently telling vs they doe not differ in any essentiall or materiall point of Religion such as this is But put into this perplexitie I must vse this Dilemma if their first opinion That the Pope is Antichrist and cannot

as before is manifest and soe of others The same is confirmed to bee alsoe agreable to the behauiour of their doctors in this time of whome the same protestant Ormer pict purit l. 1. author writeth in this order They will make as solemne protestations as any men can doe and by oathe deny that vvhich they doe you shall neuer finde vvith any high land or border theeues more lyes and vile periuries then vvith these though they protest and by oathe denie yett s●ortely after vvee shall see it come to passe The protestant author of the booke intituled offer of Offer of Cōfer pa. 9 Conference writeth of the parlamentarie protestants shewing therein the reasons of their notorious lying and dissemblinge in Religion in these words some standinge vppon these points of difference not for conscience but for carnall respects some because othervvise they knovve not hovv to bee mayntayned but by depending vppon that faction some to gratifie their benefactors and patrons and to please their frends some for discontentment vvant of preferment some for giddines of innouation some for pride of hart and selfe loue some for hatred of order and restraint of their libertie some for ignorance some to retayne the opinion of constancie And to shewe that by their owne iudgment this prophane hipocrisie dissimulation c is generall in their Religion Couell exā pag. 179. Parkes Apol praef D Couell writeth in this maner Atheisme and hipocrisie is in all states in this kingdome M. Parkes hath this Censure heresie and infidelitie ioyne and labour to subuert all grounds of Christian Religion Their late protestant Bishop D. Babington in the publicke Conference at Hampton Conference pag. 14. 15. Co●rt sheweth how in the begynning protestancie was approued in their parlament by ambiguous and indirect dealing of the composers of their communion booke and citeth the Archbishop of yorke to that purpose What dealinge was vsed therein may appeare alsoe by soe generall a dislike of protestants against it as is befor proued whervpon D Couell writeth thus The first english Ministers soe farr dissented Couell exā pag. 71. that some bookes and the greatest part of Christendome was filled with the ●rreuerent vnholy and vnnaturall Contentions of that time Their behauiour in other Contryes was not vnlike onely I will exemplifie in Scotland of which his maiestie in the Conference at Hampton Court relateth thus M. Knoxe Writes to the Queene Regent K speache in Cofe pa. 80. 81. 82. of whome without slattery I may say shee vvas a vertuous and moderate lady telling her that ●hee vvas supreame heade of the church But hovv longe trovve yee did this continue euen soe longe till by her authoritie the popish Bishops were repressed Hee himselfe and his adherents were brought in and well setled and by these meanes made stronge enough Then loe they began to make small account of her Supreamacie nor would longer rest vpon her authoritie but tooke the cau●e into their ovvne hands Hovv they vsed that pore lady my Mother is not vnknowne vvhoe did desire onely a priuate Chappell vvherein to serue God after her maner vvith some fevv selected parsons but her supreamacie vvas not sufficient to obtaine yt at their hands And concerning the same Question of princes supreamacie in England soe enacted by their parlaments to sett them in possession yett that now at this present neither parlamentarie nor puritane protestant in their writings allowe yt but clayme it to themselues I will proue by themselues hereafter And the reason of this their proceedings procedeth from the state of their desolate cause for in the beginninge of this their protestant Religion hauing noe other meanes to giue Colour to a new pretended Ministery then by the temporall princes supreamacie and power in spirituall things all true religeous preeminencie iurisdiction and authoritie being abandoned forth of this nation by their parlaments edicts against the Apostolicke see of Rome and Christs c●tholicke church they were content against the example of all their pretended reformed churches because they could not settle yt themselues for that present to allowe yt to the temporall Prince But now settled in possession they pretend a Consecration againe from Rome which they had thus renownced before say Confer sup Barl. Serm. sup Cert considerat An. 1605. pag. 46. they are diuinae ordinationis by the ordinance of God where vppon the protestant Author of certaine Considerations doth argue and consider thus if the english protestants opinion bee mayntayned that Bishops iurisdiction is de Iure diuini by the lawe of God his maiestie and all the nobilitie ought to bee subiect to excommunication pag. 54. sup And againe in these wordes protestant Bishops themselues doe not attribute any more spirituall authotitie vnto the kinge to make constitute and ordeyne Canons Constitutions Rites or Ceremonies then they giue vnto him spirituall po●er to preache the worde administer the sacram●ntt and excommunicate Which as is euident is none at all And yett at this present to omitt others those protestant Bishops of this kingdome which moste sway and not onely in spiri●uall things are knowne to bee both by their education and writings of that protestant sect and opinion which before hath told vs that their Bishops and soe consequently themselues are vnlawfull against Gods Worde hell houndes naturall sonnes of sathan false bastardly gouernors enemyes to God to the kinge and to his people euen in their very callinges and offices How these men haue behaued themselues in the Questions betweene Catholicks and them may appeare sufficiently in the first and second generall demonstration where not onely they generall groundes of diuinitie but all particular cheife controuersies of this time are demonstratiuely proued against them by their owne writings published printed or allowed with●n the first sixe yeares of his maiesties ●aigne how the puritane protestants haue delt with their Bishops partely appeareth before how their Bishops walke towards them and one to an other is euident in that either condemneth other to bee Scismaticks hereticks in●●dolls Offer of Cōfer pag. 9. damned c. The protestant offer of Confer●nce writeth thus It is notorious vnto all the ●orlde what indignities slaunders false accusations and calumniations the prelates and their ad●erents in their priuate speaches publicke sermons and writings lay vppon the ministers I will cite one example moste conceruinge them bothe Cōferēce at H●mpt Cou●t by D. ●arlo●e 3. other Copies printed by Wind. 〈◊〉 ●●fer pag. 28 29 their Conference at Hampton Court before the kinge and Lords Their protestant Bishop of Lincolne D. Barlowe relateth it wholly for their Bishops Three other Copyes printed by Ihon Winde● and diuers others relate yt for the puritanes Besides the testimonie of their Bishop D. Montague thus cited by the protetestant offer of Conference It ●● more then apparant that they haue fraudul●ntly cut of and concealed all the speaches which were many t●at his maiestie vttered against the

things that which is directly opposite and contrary to their owne Conscience and iudgment in Religion Therefore to proceede in my first intended purpose and proposition I argue in this maner Noe men which by their owne testimonies and writings doe generally dislike or disallowe of the temporall princes supreamacie in spirituall and ecclesiasticall Causes and in straunge and danigerous order can or may in conscience by oathe and swearinge allowe yt But this is the common estate of english protestants by their owne confessions published in writinge Therefore they cannot in conscience sweare to the oathe of supreamacie in temporall princes or allowe yt for true doctrine The maior proposition is euidently true for in soe dyinge they are periured and forsworne and in a matter of highe moment And all periury is damnable And soe noe spirituall communication to bee had with such men in such matters or in things daungerous vnto or against Regalitie or lawfull regiment allowed by the lawe of God and true Religion The minor proposition that protestants in England are in this condition is thus proued by their owne Testimonies The protestant author of the booke named Certaine demaundes writeth in these words The protestant Bishops doe not attributie Cert demaund An 1605. p. 54 any more spirituall authoritie v●to the Kinge to make constitute and ordeyne Canons Constitutions Rites or Ceremonies then they giue vnto him spiritual povver to preache the vvorlde adminis●er the sacraments and excommunicate But the articles of their Religion confirmed and thus published by his maiestie resolueth this matter in these wordes Wee giue not to our Articles of Relig. ar 37 Prince the ministrings either of Gods vvorde or of the sacraments the vvhich thinge the iniunctions also● sometime sett forth by Elizabeth our late Queene doe moste plainely testifie Therefore as the Conclusion before is The protestants of England cannot by their owne doctrine without periury sweare to the kings supreamacie Therefore parlamentarie pro●estants and puritans alsoe holdinge this opinion against the kings supreamacie and yett for preferment or other carnall respects hauing sworne vnto yt are periured and forsworne in a damnable degree And thus by this title the pretended ministery of England is a periured Ministery by their owne writings Againe I argue in this maner whatsoeuer Ministery claymeth their callinge to bee by lawe diuine diuinae ordinationis doe by the doctrine of english protestants deny the kings supreamacie But both the parlament protestants and puritanes thus clayme their callinge of ministery Therefore by their owne doctrine deny the kings supreamacie The maior proposition is proued by the protestant author of the booke named Certaine Considerations in these wordes if the english protestants Cert consider pa. 46. opinion bee mayntayned that Bishops iurisdiction is de iure diuino his maiestie and all the nobilitie ought to bee subiect to excommunication Therefore by this protestant reason the kinge is not supreame for hee that is supreame or superior cannot be excommunicated by the inferior which hath not power ouer the supe-superior much lesse ouer him that is supreame Againe hee that is supreame is subiect to none because not inferior but aboue commaundinge all Yett here the kinge is both named subiect and Censured as an inferior and to that penance and punishment soe greuous that the protestant author of Assertion thus expresseth Assertion An. 1604. pag. 326. it inflicted on princes by their supreamacies Excommunication is terrible to princes and rulers a delyuery of the soule to sathan punishment of the bodie and daunger of go●ds Excommunication is soe powerfull as it can constreyne princes and rulers to doe their duties M. Ormerod alsoe remembreth this protestant doctrine Ormer dial 1. in these words princes ought to submitt themselues to the Seniors of the church they ought to be cōtēt to be ruled gouerned punished corrected excōmunicated by their discretiō at their pleasur Then whether these protestāts can in cōscience sweare to the kings supreamacie as they haue done or sweare an oathe soe much concerning their Bishops presbitery as the named Oathe of alledgeance cōcerneth the Popes prerogatiue and whether it is more reasonable for any one temporall prince to acknowledge The Bishop of the cheefest Apostolicke See whome all Catholicke princes of Christendome and the church of Christ euer acknowledged for their supreame spirituall pastor and gouernor to bee alsoe vnto him as hee is and euer was to all his progen●tors kings and other princes or singularly with soe manifest daunger against scriptures councels fathers histories and all authorities and examples to make himselfe his soule bodie life and goods as before subiect and at the pleasure of his subiects euery pretended Bishop in his dioces and euery Minister of the presbyterie in his parishe or diuision I leaue these for others to conclude onely I add that these protestants by this their claymed superiority ouer princes haue within lesse then fourtie yeares disinherited depriued and spoyled more temporall princes of their lawfull territories and dominions as is proued against them by a Catholicke writer of our nation Then the Pope by any prerogatiue title Moder Answ ca. 8. c. 9. See the protestants there cited or clayme with the consent of kingdomes hath taken vpon him to alter the Regiment of temporall kinges from the first begynning of Christianitie to these dayes But more of this matter hereafter The minor proposition that both the protestant Bishops now and the presbiterie clayme their callings Iure diuino by the law of God and not from the prince is euidently proued before And manifest in probation of the first proposition For the lawes of this land and wee admitt noe others are soe far from making it the office and power of any Bishop presbiterie parson or societie whatsoeuer ●o excommunicate their prince delyuer his soule to Sathan punish his bodie on daunger his goods constreyne rule gouerne correct and punish him at their discretion and pleasure as their owne words before bee that the very conspiring or consenting vnto such things is a state of high Treason and greatest offence to lawe in this kingedome Therefore they must blasphemousely clayme as they doe other things from the lawe o● God noe other in force here as before Then I may say with their owne protestant writer in these words The kinges supreamacie is fallen Certaine cōsideratiōs An. 1605. pag. 47. downe and ouerthrowne in the moste daungerous degree by the english protestant proceedings And this might suffice for this purpose demonstratiuely prouing what I promised But I argue further in this maner Whoeseuer doe not onely say that the protestant Bishops or presbiterie haue the supreamacie in spirituall things and kings haue nothing therein to deale but must submitt their scepters and Crowns lose their Royaltie cease to bee kings not to bee obeyed to bee deposed vnthroned bereaued of all power and principalitie c. as the protestant ministery shall please or denownce