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A35717 Truth-triumphant in a dialogue between a Papist and a Quaker : wherein (I suppose) is made manifest, that quaking is the off-spring of popery : at least, the Papist and the Quaker, are (fratres uterini) both of one venter. Derby, Charles Stanley, Earl of, 1628-1672. 1671 (1671) Wing D1090B; ESTC R16515 10,629 18

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I was before 1641. Pap. By no means do so either come strait to Us or continue a Quaker Nay rather than turn Protestant I 'le get thee a Dispensation from Rome to continue a Quaker and that thou shalt not so much as go into Purgatory Quak. Yours is a very brave Religion if it could hold water but what assurance have you that God allows this Pap. The Infallibility of the Church Quak. What is that Pap. The truth is we are not yet agreed amongst Our selves for some of Us as we Jesuites do hold the Pope to be Infallible that whatsoever He Decrees We are obliged to yield unto an implicite obedience and Belief others do place it in a General Council the Pope presiding over it And lastly others in a Council only Protestant And so I perceive it 's no where with you with us it is for now I will argue like a Protestant we have Infallibility in our Church Papist What is that Prot. The Old and New Testament for you cannot deny it to be the Word of God Papist That we cannot but this we say That it is but a dead Letter without the Interpretation of the Church Prot. Whoop holy day I think your Worship will turn Quaker Papist No such thing I warrant you but to proceed and to speak to you as to a Protestant All your Opposers produce the Bible against you as well as against us What can you answer to that Prot. Let right take place but by the way this is foul play for you to urge me to answer you as a Hydra with so many Heads Will you be a Papist a Presbyterian Independent Quaker and every thing at once This is to be a right Jesuite indeed but I will allow you all this advantage I will therefore go on as I said before let right take place for the Church of England has the advantage over all her Opposers above-mentioned and over ten thousand more if she had so many for against you all she has a claim to this Infallible Guide of the Word of God with all the difficulties therein contained explained by all Antient Fathers and Councils against which no sober man can except So that we have the Bible against you and against them and against you we have the Bible as I said before explained with the four first General Councils with the Practice of those times of Purity besides is it not familiar with you of the Roman Church together with all those several enemies above-named and Opposers of the Church of England to cry up Success and may not Protestants make use of the same Plea so far especially as it is Argumentum ad hominem And so offer to your prospect and consideration the miraculous Restauration of the Church of England in the year 1660. Papist You mean the Kings Restauration Prot. I mean both but we are now disputing concerning the Church not King of England for though you as being a Papist a Priest and a Jesuite are an Enemy to both Church and State But the reason I only name the Church of Englands Restauration is because I conceive God restored the King for the Churches sake because God knew the King would restore the Church of England for whose sake God did restore him Moreover I mention the Church of England only because God has dealt so often miraculously for her As first in our King Henry the Eighth his dayes that such an occasion of Scandal should be given to the whole World as well as to that King in particular that though he did not so very much alter the Roman Religion yet he absolutely took away the Popes Authority which was a miraculous step to that more exact Reformation Which in the second place God did miraculously bring to pass by means of a Child as I may say King Edward the Sixth The third Miracle God did act for the Church of England was that Queen Mary Espoused to a King of Spain having fully restored Popery and butchered thousands of Protestants yet The miracu●ous methods ●f God on the ●ehalf of Eng●and during se●e●al Successi●ns of time was it not in her power though assisted with the House of Austria which was then in its Zenith as I suppose now France is to prevent the wonderfully miraculous Restauration of the Church of England by the ever famous Queen Elizabeth and though that Good and Gallant Queen was in the hands of Her and the Church of Englands Adversaries yet did God miraculously preserve Her for his Churches sake And this Church was likewise in the fourth place though indeed not restored yet powerfully and wonderfully preserved when King James Succeeded to this great and virtuous Queen The last Miracle I pray God this Church may need no more of them which it pleased God to shew this Church was in the Year Sixty though indeed three more might have been added so as to have made this fifth the eighth but for brevities sake I shall put them together First the Defeat of that Navy which the Spaniards called their Invincible Armad● in the Year 1588. Secondly the miraculous prevention of the Popish Conspiracy the fifth day of November whereby the King His Nobles the chief of the Gentry and Commons in Parliament should have been blown up The third the true Christian Valour and Magnanimity which appeared in his Late Majesty on the behalf of the Church of England asserting her Reformation during all His Sufferings to the last minute of his Martyrdom And now Sir I hope I have confuted you by your own way of Argumentation and now Sir hereafter if you please you may worship your great Diana of Success Papist Your Successes we cannot deny but still I conceive the Bible is not a sufficient Infallible Guide Prot. I think I have very well proved by the several above-mentioned miracles that Infallibility of the Bible is for the Church of England as now it is established this Year 1668. Jul. against your and all other Dissenters from the Church of England and in my opinion is a great sign of her being a true Church that she is furnished on all sides with good and sound Arguments for her defence and offending her Adversaries for in the first she opposes to you the Bible Practice of the Primitive Church the Antient Fathers and your own modern ones and against such as I was once formerly She has the same though She have less occasion to make use of the Bible Thus is she furnisht with complete Armour and Weapons God Almighty has armed Her Cap ape against the Devil and all his Instruments So that the Gates of Hell shall never be able to prevail against Her Papist You have taken your Common-Prayer-Book out of the Mass Prot. You have your Mass out of the Jewish Liturgy Papist How can that be Prot. Are not the Psalms of David made use of in the Mass Papist They are I confess Prot. They were either all or in part the Jewish Liturgy Papist We do