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A10173	Protestants demonstrations, for Catholiks recusance All taken from such English Protestant bishops, doctors, ministers, parlaments, lawes, decrees, and proceedings, as haue beene printed, published, or allowed among them in England; since the cominge of our king Iames into this kingdome: and for the most parte within the first six or seuen yeares thereof. And euidentlie prouinge by their owne writings, that english Catholiks may not vnder damnable syn, co[m]municate with English Protestants, in their seruice, sermons, or matters of religion: and soe conuincinge by the[m]selues, their religio[n] to be most damnable, & among other things, their ministery to bee voide, false & vsurped.	Broughton, Richard, attributed name.	1615 (1615)	STC 20450; ESTC S112509	81,861	158

ministery wee are all one wee are all of one faithe VVee are ministers of the worde by one order wee preache one faith and substance of doctrine Then which nothing was euer more truly said or written Willet Antilog pag. 15. 20. Your greate Controuertist D. Willet writeth thus amonge protestants of ●ngland there is noe difference or diss●nt in any substantiall point of faith As for puritans and Caluinio-papists they are termes of papists deuisinge D. Georg● Abb. sup pa. 90. 106. 236. 237. Povvell sup pag. 48. 52 Your present protestant Archbishop of Canterbury is soe confident herein that hee vseth thes wordes Noe Goliath against vs can proue the contrary D. Powell with publicke approbation hath thes wordes Noe reformer euer distinguished betweene protestants and them of the reformed church The puritans doe not affirme the diuision betweene protestants and them to bee in substantiall points non but papists affirme that protestants and puritans differ in substantiall points of faith and hee lyeth which saith they differ in substantiall poyntes Like are the testimonies of others But thes are fullie sufficient in this place Therefore seeing I am to alleadge onelie causes and reasons essentiall and substantiall in Religion from thes your english protestant Bishops and doctors why their countrie Catholicks may not by their owne doctrines and proceedings communicate with them in matters of Religion It is euident that noe english protestant or puritane may or in conscience ought to denie any such authoritie to bee cited in this treatise or any conclusion truelie and scientificallie deduced from such their allowed principles for in soe doeinge by their generall graunt before hee should become a papist and a recusant to communicate with protestants or a blasphemous Goliah vncircumcised philistine or a lyer by their owne censure and Iudgment which would bee new and vrgent causes to auoide all spirituall communion with such men Wherevppon presuminge that noe aduersarie will soe muche disable my studyes in diuinitie and artes subordinate vnto yt But that I am able from graunted and allowed principles to deduce necessarie and vndemiable Conclusions I therefore doe confidentlie name this worke A booke of english protestants Demonstrations for English Catholicks recusancie Because the moste iust causes of Catholicks refusall to communicate with protestan●s in Religion are euidentlie proued by those protestants them selues in this Treatise And soe in all obedient and humble manner I take my leaue I rest and hope to continue for euer in all dutifull and beseeminge obedience and loue to our moste blessed Sauiour his Holie church and Religion his maiestie my dearest countrie and your Lordships the moste honorable portion thereof as I haue before professed and obliged myselfe by attestation and bonde vnuiolable PROTESTANTS DEMONSTRATIONS FOR CATHOLICKS RECVSANCIE The first particular protestant Demonstration why english Catholicks may not communicate in spirituall thinges with protestants is because by their owne testimonies yt would bee an act and offence vnreasonable irreligious and damnable THAT it is not lawfull for any Catholicke or member of the Romane church to communicate in Religion and spirituall thinges with the protestants of England I demonstrate by their owne testimonies And first argue thus Noe professors of Religion may lawfully and with securitie forsake that church and communion in which by the testimonie of aduersaries themselues there is saluation and many haue beene by that profession glorious Saints to communicate with a new Religion whereof there is noe such hope or certaine expectation But the state of Catholicks by communicating w●th protestants and forsakinge vnion with the church of Rome should bee in this ●erplexitie euen by thes protestants confession Therefore they may not in conscience forsake communion with the Romane church to ioyne with thes protestants in such busines The fi●st proposition is euidently true for good thinges and certaine may not bee left and forsaken for thinge● either euill or vncertainely good And that men may not communicate in a straunge Religion is confirmed by D. Couell and M. Hull prouinge yt by many Couell exā ●a 200. 201 Hul. Rom. ●ol p. 30. 31 32. 33. 34. Sutcliff exā of petit pa. 10. 11. Povvel ref ●pist apolo●●tic pag. ●5 23. 26. 27. 100. 114 112. 113. c. Feild pa. 27 pag. 182. examples and testimonies of scriptures and antiquitie T●at wee may not communi●ate ●ith men of a diuers Religion D. Sutcliffe telleth vs that such communion is reproued by the authoritie both of the fathers of the church and of aun●i●nt Christian Emp●rors The like hee testifieth of Holy scriptures M. Powell is plentifull in this matters and not needfull to bee cited no● man of learninge and conscience affirminge communion in a false or contrary Religion to bee lawfull The minor proposition of certaintie of saluation in the Roman church is thus confirmed by thes protestants D. Feilds wordes bee thes the Romane and la●ine church continued the true church of God euen till our tyme and againe in this maner Wee doubt not but the church of R●me in which the Bishop thereof exalt●d himselfe was not withstanding● the true c●urch of God that is hel● a sauing profession of the truthe in Christ and by force thereof conuerted many contryes from error to truthe D. Couell writeth thus in the name of them all Protestants Couell def of hooke pa. 68. doe gladly acknowledge them of the Romane church to bee t●● family of ●hesus Christ they of Rome Were still are in the church it ●● straunge for any man to deny them of Rome to bee of the church Wee affirme them of the Romane church Couell supr pag 73. 76. to bee partes of the church of Christ and that those that lyue and dye in that church may bee saued Yett both hee and D. Feild giue this sentence Couell sup pag. 76. Feild p. 69. Feild pag. 182. there i● noe saluation remission of synnes or hope of eternall life out of the church D. Feild further telleth vs that diuers of the Romane church euen of the best learned that coulde not pleade Ignorance bee saued and Saints in heauen Their Bishop Barlowe hath written how greate difficultie it is for princes to bee saued Barl. ag a name l●sse Cathol Willet An. pag. 144. Speede Theat of greate Britan yett D. Willet writeth thus it is not denyed by any protestant but many renowned kinges and Queenes of the Romane faithe are Saincts in heauen The names of our moste holy kinges and Queenes of England which M. Speede in his late Theater of greate Britanie relateth to haue forsaken their Crownes and kingdomes to become pore Monkes Nunnes in that church and Religion and to bee chronicled for all posterities to haue beene moste holy one ●arthe and now glorious Saints in heauen are too many to bee recited Therefore seing thes protestants assure vs that the church of Rome is the true church of Christ they that liue and dye in yt come to heauen and many

they were noe Bishops being of necessitie either made by a woman which they confesse could not doe yt or by the pretended Bishops of kinge Edwards makinge vtterly alsoe as before condemned by lawe and the Iudges themselues And yett of thes twoe ab●urdities that which was the worst and moste absurde to bee made by a woman vncapable must needs bee their case For the new Booke of cōsecr statu An. 3. Ed 6. ca 12. Stat. 1. Mar. Booke of Article● of Religion 1562 articul 36. Stat. An. 8. Elizab. c. 1. forme and fashion of making pretended Bishops and preists in the time of the child kinge Edward the sixt abolished by Queene Mary was neuer reuiued by the english protestants vntill their booke of Articles made in the fourth or fift yeare of Queene Elizabeth made in their conuocation consisting as before is euident onely of lay men without authoritie receaued yt and was neuer allowed by parlament vntill this in the eight yeare of Queene Elizabeth Soe that by noe possibilitie thes after Acts if they had beene powerable in religeous causes the contrary whereof is euident could make soe many yeares before pretended and vnlawfull Acts and consecrations now to bee true and lawfull Therefore thes pretended protestant Bishops and Ministers can by noe power by their owne proceedings bee lawfull wanting both true forme matter maner men ordering and the Acts and Cōc Floren. in ●niō will apud ●arkes p. 137. 180. Park ib. ●il● sur● p. ●2 mort pa 2 Apol. p. 340 l. 4 c. 18 Relat. ca. 47 ●eild p. 202. 218. functions themselues as is before proued and ●ppeareth by the councell of ●lorence which D. Wille● M. Parkes and others allow for generall which D. Bil●on D. Mo●ton their Relator of Religi●n and D. Feild assure vs hath supreame power and authoritie to commaund all whomsoeuer to obey the definitions thereof Neither need I appeale to generall councells though their graunt in this Question for by their owne parl●ments Articles common writings and publicke doctrine yt is more then euident that their pretended Bishops by whome their ministers and other pretended Bishops bee made bee noe more Bishops then their ordina●y ministers none at all noe more then all lay men bee noe more nor soe much as kinge Edward 6. a child Q. Elizabeth a woman and our present and euer of mee moste honored kinge Iames were or is by their proceedings which is thus made euident by their owne Religion Euery distinct order hath some really and essentially distinct Act and office to execute which others from which it is distinguished haue not nor can performe But the pretended callinge of protestant Bishops in England by their owne proceedings hath noe such really and essentially distinct Act or office Therefore by their ow●e Religion it is noe distinct order The m●ior proposition is euidently true for euery dist●●ct Order power facultie or habilitie spirituall or other is soe knowne and distinguished The minor proposition is thus proued by themselues For whereas our Pontificall and scholes ascribe to episcopall Order Pōtifical in Ord. Sacer. ep●schol insacr ord in 3. p. d. Th. c. Articles of Relig. Artie sacram c thes Acts to cōsecrate Christne giue twoe sacraments Orders and confirmation thes protestants by their publick Articles and practice both deny all thes and yett ascribe noe other peculiar Act or office to their pretended Bishops make ministers and confirme children I answeare they deny both them to bee Sacraments and soe hauing noe misticall consecration but being onely ceremonies may bee vsed by men noe Bishops and soe in all protestants Presbyteries pretended ministers allowed by them are made by onely ministers and where the ceremonie of confirmation is allowed by protestants out of England it is al soe ministred by onely ministers and if thes doe not giue grace effectually as they say it is not necessarie to appoinct a distinct order for their ministration Soe there is now nothing left for thes pretended Bishops but pretended iurisdiction but this is from the kinge that is Queene Elizabeth and kinge Edward 6. before supreame in this busines and soe by their Religion more truely and better Bishops then Ridley Parker Whiteguift or any of that pretended calling And as the pretended Commissioners Stat. Ed. 6. Stat. An. 1. Eliz. cap. 1. Foxe tom 2 in Ed. 6. Eliz. Holin supr c. of kinge Edward and Q. Elizabeth related by their Statutes Foxe Hollinshed others withall power from them to reforme Religion were in thes mens doctrine more worthie the name of Bishops then they which haue that name but want that office power Soe his maiestie in their Religion by his supreamacie inspirituall things may by his letters patents and commission not onely with kinge Edward and Q Elizabeth authorize his Foxe in Ed v. in B. Card Stowe Hollinsh Speed c. An. 1 Eliza in histor lay Councellors and mere temporall men to Iudge depriue and depose Bishops but to bee allowed for Bishops Archbishops and higher patriarkes without any consecration or other ceremony They which gaue this power to Q. Elizabeth and our Soueraigne were onely lay men and neither any of them in particul●r or all in generall equall vnto him that is supreame Therefore it is his power by their doctrine at his pleasure without any ministers concurrence or consent to take order and neuer more neede then when their Religion is become a mockery of all true Religion in thes affaires and to make any the meanest subiect without any im●osing of handes speaking or prayer ouer him or other complement in such busines greater in callinge and dignitie then hee that beareth the name Archbishop primate of all England amonge them But the present soe named Archbishop of Obiect Canterbury director of M. Mason and his directed scholler perhaps will say that allthough D. Sutcliffe and too many others to bee cited and the said soe called Archbishop himselfe in and at other places and times for their adnantage and to serue their turne doe teach affirme as a matter of faith that the Pope is Antichrist noe true Bishop preist or maker of such yett in this their worke asscribed to M. Mason they confesse the contrary and therein they affirme that one of their pretended Consecrators Barlowe was a true Bishop and made by Romane or true catholick Consecration in the time of kinge Henry 8. And soe in time of necessitie such as their begynning was might make a Bishop Alas I cannot tell how to make Answ answeare to this obiection or rather petition not for any difficultie conteyned in yt But for feare of offence in speaking truth and giuinge the lye to soe many protestant Bishops and Doctors before soe confidently telling vs they doe not differ in any essentiall or materiall point of Religion such as this is But put into this perplexitie I must vse this Dilemma if their first opinion That the Pope is Antichrist and cannot

PROTESTANTS DEMONSTRATIONS FOR CATHOLIKS RECVSANCE ALL TAKEN FROM SVCH ENGLISH Protestant Bishops Doctors Ministers parlaments lawes decrees and proceedings as haue beene printed published or allowed among them in England since the cominge of our king Iames into this kingdome and for the most parte within the first six or seuen yeares thereof AND EVIDENTLIE PROVINGE by their owne writings that english Catholiks may not vnder damnable syn cōmunicate with English Protestants in their Seruice Sermons or matters of Religion and soe conuincinge by thēselues their Religiō to be most damnable among other things their ministery to bee voide false vsurped Princes haue persecuted mee without a cause Psalm 118. By IOHN HEIGHAM at Douay VVith Licence ANNO 1615. A BRIEFE TABLE OF THESE DEMONSTRATIONS The 1. Demonst. Because by their owne testimonies it would be an act and offence vnreasonable irreligious and damnable pag. 1. The 2. Demonst. In respect of their Ministers vnlawfull false and intruded and not to be cōmunicated with by their owne writinges pag. 21 The 3. Domonst Because the not preaching of the worde of God is not among them by their owne testimonies pag. 49. The 4. Demonst Because English Prot. by their owne testimonies want the due administration of Sacraments pag 56 The 5. Demonst Because these Prot. manifestli● acknowledg that their pretended church is not the true c●urch of God pag. 62 The 6. Demōst Because English Prot by their owne testimonies are rotorius heretiques pag. 65 The 7. Demonst Because English Prot. by their owne writi●ges are scismatiques pag. 78 The 8 Demonst Becau●e the publique Prot. seruice is false hereticall iustlie condemned and damnable by their owne doctrin pag. 85. The 9. Demonst Because these Prot. by their owne testimonies are manifest dessemblers wilful deceiuers seducers lyers and periured in matters of Religion pag. 91. The 10. Demonst. Because these Prot by their owne testimonies are generallie most vild ●i●●ed impious and gracel●s people pag. 106 The 11. Demonst Because English ●rot by their owne writinges are not onlie enemies to the temporall princes claime of supremacie in ecclesiastical causes but deny also his soueraignitia in matters temporall pag. 112. TO OVR MOST MIGHTIE SOVERAIGNE KING IAMES AND ALL HIS MOST HONORABLE NOIBLITIE MOST MIGHTIE KINGE and MOST honorable Lordes as among humane and naturall Combinations non are greater more generall and binding then those of one nature nation and kindred Soe in nature nothinge can bee more vnnaturall then vnworthily to dissolue violentlie to seperate or destroy these vnions soe inuiolably to bee preserued All persecuted Catholicks of this kingdom armen vnited and comprehended in mankinde equally as you or the most renowned of you or other protestants They are of the same nation our best belowed England english with you And verie late and new would that persecuting protestants discēt appeare whoe could truely say hee hath noe preist or Catholicke of his familie which in this longe and greuous persecution hee persecuteth not and himselfe in them If any man obiect that Religion for which they suffer is of an heauenly and high or nature religing and binding not only man to man but man to his God and maker by the greatest felatie and homadge must answeare by yout one proceedings This is soe far from excusinge your persecutions that it vtterly accuseth in all true Iudgment more condemneth them For your doctors assure vs that the church of Christ cannot bee without true discipline to punish and correct offendors and make yt an vnseparable note thereof yett your same protestant both lawes writers and proceedings are witnesses that your pretēded Examples watrant and power to punish as you doe the Reuerēd preists and other Catholicks of this kingdom are by manie hundred yeares to yonge to make your Religion soe old and powerable that yt may safelie and securely persecute your Mother church of Rome that brougt vs forth to Christ whose obedient and dutifull children you and all others ought to bee That claymed authoritie by which you afflict vs neuer receaued life vntill the decaying time of kinge Henry the eight And then your soe named Archbishop Parker Statut. An. 24. vel 25. Henric. 8. Math park in antiquit Britannic in Henr. 8. Ioan Bal. l. descr●ptor Brit. in Augustino fol. 34. 35. writeth that the popes power and Religion had raigned in England aboue neyne hundred yeares From the first conuersion of this english nation by S. Augustine as hee meaneth and an other of your stiled protestant Bishops in the words is witnes Augustinus Romanus Benedictini sodali●ij monachus à Gregorio primo ad Anglosaxones papistica fide initiandos Apostolus mittitur Augustine a Roman monke of the company of Benedict was sent from Gregory the first an Apostle to instruct the English Saxons in the papisticall faithe And to proue this faith was then Bal. supr fol. 34. receaued hee addeth Ethelbertus Rex Romanismum cum adiunctis superstitionibus suscepit Kinge Ethelbert receaued Romanisme or Romi●h Religion with the superstitions adioined For soe your writers terme that sacred doctrine Your blodye lawe against the venerable preists of that holie church and profession is of noe greater Antiquitie then the seuen and twenteth yeare of the Raigne of Queene Elizabeth Statut. An. 27. Elizab. cap. and then but the Edict of a woman not much powerable in spirituall busines Yett Romane preisthood must needes bee as auncient as Romane Religion Which your owne cited Author Bal. supr fol. 35 pag. 1. farther warranteth in this maner Augustinus introduxit altaria vestimenta vasa sacra reliquias ceremoniarum codices quae omnia cum benedictione Petri miserat ei Gregorius Nam primum eorum studium erat circa missarum oblationes sedes episcopales ac decima● ob id coactâ synodo mandauit Romanus vbique consuetudines seruari Augustine brought in altares vestiments holy vessels Relicks and bookes of ceremonies all which with the blessing of Peter Gregorie had sent vnto him For their first or cheife studie was about the oblations of masses episcopall Sees and Tithes And therefore assemblinge a synode hee commaunded the Romane customes to bee kept euery where Then if besides our seruice and Ceremonies as the Romane and commaunde of that Mother church Altares masse and sacrifice were then in vse our preisthood could not bee wanting for a principall doctor in your church with publick allowance writeth VVee cannot dislike the Morton Appeale pag. 162. l. 2. cap. 6. sect 1. Reinolds conf pag. 550. sentence of D. Reynaldes concerning the mutuall Relation and dependance betweene an Altar and sacrifice But graunt that Altare doth as naturally and necessarily inferr a sacrifice as a shryne doth a Saint a father a sonne And hee addeth thus Cardinall Bellarmine said truly Viz sacrifice preisthood are Relatiues Then if your doctors doctors Reynolds and Morton with their approuers approue this doctrine they must approue also the antiquitie and honor of our sacred

admitt for the greatest reason of satisfaction For if it bee held an excellent point of phisicke ex vipera theriac●m to turne po●son into an Antidote against poyson and in God accompted an highe degree of vengeance to turne the Egyptians against the Egyptians and in Dauid celebrated as a principall matter of triumphe to cutt of Goliah his heade with his owne sworde and in Christ obserued as an vnansweareable matter of conuiction to iudge the euill seruant by his owne mouthe and acknowledged in S. Paule as the moste expedite meanes of confutation of the men of Crete to oppose against them their owne c. And yett to giue them more aduantage I wil demonstrate onelie by those english writers and proceedings of their protestant Religion which haue beene printed published or allowed amonge them synce his maiesties cominge into England and principallié within the first sixe or seuen yeares thereof that english Catholicks soe greuously punished for refusinge to communicate with their contrie protestants in sacraments seruice sermons or exercises of their Religion cannot doe yt by their owne Iudgments nor they exact yt without moste greuous deadelie and damnable syn And because I freelie acknowledge myselfe a preist of the Romane church and offer to defend or proue against all protestants or other Enemies the moste honorable dignitie of that sacred function And your proceedings propose oathes to trie the loialtie of english preists and Catholicks knowinge that wee will rather suffer deathe and all miseries as wee haue done then to sweare any the leaste things which wee thinke vntrue Beinge now come to my decaying time tree and fistie yeares of age doe take and leaue behinde mee as a memoriall of my Innocencie this ensuing oathe and desire it bee named An oathe of a Catholicke preist his true alleadgeancie to kinge and contrye Humblie submittinge my Iudgment in all religeous doctrine with all true Christiās to our mother church of Rome a Rule Kings sp●ac● in h●●● parlament to all both in doctrine and ceremonies as his maiesties publicke censure is I protest in verbo veritatis takinge God and the whole Court of heauen to wittnes that I neuer committed in deed word or consent any treason or conspiracie either against our kinge Iames his maiestie whose moste dutifull and obedient subiect in all ciuill obedience I humblye acknowledge myselfe and soe entreate to bee accepted of him or against Queene Elizabeth his predecessor or any forreyne prince in whose dominion I haue lyued And I call againe God and the Court of heauen to wittnes that I neuer committed against this kingdome of England my dearest contry or anyother state or prouince where I haue lyued or my parson in them lyuing or deceased murther theft Rapine violence vsury oppression encha●n●m●nt sorcerye fornication addultery or other carna●l act with any creature periurye false testimoni● gluttonie drunkennes or any greate or scandelous sinne to my knowledge disgracef●lly punishable by the lawes of England of which ● haue beene a student and by the grace of God giuen in my holy Religion I hope intend and purpose soe to perseuer all my life Soe helpe me God and his holy Saincts You see how confidentlie I haue sworne such an oathe of fidelitie and Innocencie from offence concerninge temporall Regiment or dutie of a subiect to his soueraigne as I stand in doubt whether any of your pretended Clea●gie protestant will second mee therein or noe And yett there is noe matter against your Religion conteyned in yt as your soe named newe oathe of alleadgeance comprehendeth against the Pope and church of Rome as they haue censured to whome soe greate respect as before is due by your owne doctors sentences But I am out of all doubt that manie reuerende and learned preists of this kingdome will in Innocencie add to that which I haue begun And all the rest of that consecrated companie still sufferringe for that most glorious and holy cause will bee able to performe as much in that kinde as any temporall Soueraigne can in conscience exact of a spirituall and cleargie man and more then your best and moste selected Bishops or Ministers will assume to doe For matters of Religion this treatise will bee our warrant that wee must continue our vnitie with our Mother church of Rome and not with those whoe by their owne Iudgments and testimonies are Hereticks Scismaticks damnably seducers and seduced and such as by manie other titles by their owne conclusions are men not to bee communicated with in busines of Religion except men would willfullie incurre damnation Such as your moste allowed doctors writters are most manifestlie proued in this worke by their owne writings Therfore I craue pardon that the harshenes or distastfull euidence of thes protestant demonstrations bee not imputed vnto mee but to your owne protestant and puritane doctors Authors and publishers of them to the worlde for by their authorities and in their name I am to dispute proceede in euerie Argument and conuiction And because I desire to bringe securitie to all Readers that noe english protestant or puritane can by their owne Religion take iust exception against the weakest Conclusion of this booke I haue not handled any matters in yt but such as by their owne agreement ar essentiall materiall and fundamentall in Religion For how soeuer otherwise they disagree and ar not easelie to bee distinguished yett in thes soe necessarie and vnseperable things of true Religion as they tell vs they all agree D. Georg. Abb. ag Hill pag. 101. 102. 94. 106. 236. 237. 347. Doue persuas pag. 32. Morton full satisf pag. 18. The words of your present Archbishop of Canterbury ar thes protestants puritanes did neuer differ in any point of substance in substantiall points of faithe there is noe variance amonge vs. And this hee affirmeth seuen times at the leaste in one booke The protestant Bishop of Peterborough writeth thus in ma●ters of Religion wee all agree D. Morton D. Sutcliffe D. Willet Wotton Middleton Powell the Sutel ag k●ll pag. 42 Willet Antib pag. 15 Wottō def of Perk pag 28. Middl pag 201. Povvel ag ap ep pag. 48. 45. Abr●dg Edw. holy knight pag. 103. of his 〈◊〉 Puritanes in their Abridgment with others too manie to bee cited are of the same opinion And it is soe generallie allowed amonge them that they tell vs non but such as they terme Papists Goliathes vncircumcised Philistines lyers and will affirme the contrarie Your circumcised knight as hee will bee named writeth thus our formalists and Presbyterians how soeuer they bee somewhat different in habite yett are they vnited in harte readie at all times to Ioyne in battell against any vncircumcised Philistine that dares contest against the vniformitie of their Rogers pref to the booke of articles faith Your publick glosser vppon your approued articles writeth in this maner The verie brethren themselues doe write that in regard of the common groundes of Religion and the

such are soe renowned Saints with God in heauen and that out of the true church there is noe saluation remission of sinnes or hope of eternall life and there is but one true church Catholicks in conscience cannot forsake the Religion and communion of that sacred and sauing Roman church to communicate with protestants Againe I argue thus That church and Religion ● vnto which all former good Christians of this kingdome whether Brittanes Romanes Saxons Danes Noruegians or Normans kinges or subiects were vnited in Religion vntill the tyme of kinge Henry the eight is still in all prudent Iudgment to bee continued in and communicated withall But the Romane church and Religion is such Therfore not to bee forsaken The maior proposition is euidently true for of necessitie that Religion of Christ which is good and maketh the professors of it such is to bee embraced and followed and they which embrace and followe yt to bee imitated and communicated with and the contrary to bee auoyded and forsaken for as it is the nature of goodnes and good thinges to bee desired and embraced Soe of euill such things to bee left and refused The Minor proposition is manifest by too many protestants to bee recited in this place I will therefore onely alledge their cheifest latest and moste approued writers M. Speed taking vppon him the name of the Author of the late booke called the Theater of greate Britaine is soe partiall a reporter Theater of greate Brit. in all christian kings vntill Henry 8. of things for protestants by Instigation of their Bishops and Ministers that hee is taxed by all indifferent men that were either the Composers of yt or that haue perused it with equall Iudgment And yett hee is wittnes through the Regiments of all Christian kings of England from Lucius the first vnrill the desolution begen by K. Henry the eight that the popes supreamacies Holy sacrifices of Masse prayer to Saincts and for the deade reuerence of Holy relicks and Images pilgrimage purgatory and other catholicke doctrines now impugned by protestants were euer allowed and generally practiced in this kingdome by practice and deuoute profession whereof to omit subiects though of high renowne sonnes and daughters of kings them selues more kings and Queenes in England became religeous monkes and Nunnes and now by thes protestants are honored for glorious kinges Queenes and Saincts in heauen Then euer were protestant kinges and Queenes in all the world though neuer so● vnworthy the name of Theater of greate Brit. pag. 33. n. 8. pag. 49. n. 5. pag. 53. pag 159 p. 161. pag. 294. pag. 298. pag. 301. pag. 305. Theat supr pag. 344. pag. 47. pag. 302. pag. 306. pag. 308. pag. 310. pag. 311. pag. 338. pag. 361. pag. 364. pag. 366. Saincts or sanctitie Such were as thes protestants tell vs Kinge and Sainct Ethelbert kinge and Sainct Offa and Sainct Fremandus his sonne kinge and Sainct Cheldwald kinge and Saint Sebba and his sonne and heire kinge and Saint Sigh●rd kinge and Saint Ceolnulph kinge and Saint Egbert kinge and Saint Ethelred kinge and S. Errcombert kinge and S. Inas kinge and Saint Richarde kings and Saincts Edwards kinges and Sainct Epmunds and others women Queenes and Saincts Queene and Saint Outhburge Queene and Sainct Etheldred Queene and Saint Kineburge Queene and Saint Eadburge Queene and S. Eue Queene and S. Ethelburge Queene and S. Oswith kinge Sebba his wife not named by them Queene and Sainct kinswith Queene and Sainct Ermenh●ld Queene and S. Sexburge Queene and S. Ethelswith Queene S. Elfride Queene and S. Eanfled Queene and S. Edgine Queene and S. Edith Queene and S. Elfgine Queene and S. Emna Queene and Saint Eleanor with others That thes holy kinges and Queenes now glorious Saincts in heauen such as a false Religion could not make them were of that holy catholicke and Romane Religion which wee now professe and for profession Theater in those kinges and Queenes c. Bale l. de scrip Britan. in Augustino Parker in antiq Britan in Cranmer will in Synops Antylog c. Theater pa. 203. cap 9. Suteliff ag Kell pa. 105 Theater sup pag. 222. kinge Edw. lavves fol. 231. pag. 1. thereof vndergoe soe many miseries not only this their Theater but their pretended Bishop Bale before their soe named Archbishop Parker Doctor Willet and others testifie neither was there from the begynning by their writings any Religion or iurisdiction lawfully practised in this kingdome but from S. Peter the Apostle and the Popes of Rome of S. Peter thus they write That hee here founded churches D. Sutcliffs argument of Supreamacie and ordayned preists and deacons is reported by Simon Metaphra●●es out of the greeke antiquities not likely to corrupt for the Romane church Guilielmus Eisingrenius in the first of his Century whoe saith that Peter was here in Neroes tyme They vrge for Pope and S. Eleuthertus epistle to kinge Lucius the lawes of S. Edward published by their protestant frend M. Lambert of Kent out of their Bishop Parkers library And by them and those their published lawes is euident that the Brittanes did not onely receaue all spirituall Iurisdiction Religion Bishops and preists from that holy Pope but temporall benefites more then protestants are gratefull for or I meane to vrge or stand vppon The wordes of those their cited lawes in the very page before are thes concerning King Edwards lavve● fol. 130 pa. 2. the Crowne of England The whole land all the Ilands to Norway and Denmarke belonge to the Crowne of his kingdome and are of the appendancies and dignities of the kinge and it is one Monarchie and o●e kingdome and was sometime called the kingdome of Britanye and now called the kingdome of Englishmen For Lord Eleutherius Pope whoe first sent an hallowed Crowne to Britanny and Christianitie by Gods inspiration to Lucius kinge of the Britannes appointed and allowed to the Crowne of the kingdome such metes and bowndes as are said before Of our Conuersion and Religion by S. Augustine and after they haue spoken sufficiently before I will add but one testimonie of their primatiue kinge and Saint Ina● their words bee thus Kinge Ina builded the renowned abbey of Theater pa. 298. 299. n. 11. Glastembury moste stately to the honor of Christ Peter and Paule where formerly stood the old Cell of Ioseph of Aremathia Which this kinge Ina after a moste sumptuous maner new built The Chappell whereof he garnished with gold syluer and gaue riech ornaments therto as altare Chalice Censor candlesticks Bason and holy water buckett Imadges and pale for the altare of an incredible value For the golde there vppon besiowed amounted to three hundred three pownde whaight and the syluer to twoe thowsand eight hundred thirtie fiue pownde besides prctious gemmes embrouched in the celebrating vesteres hee instituted a yearely payment to the See of Rome a penny for an howse on lammas day called Peter pence After hee had raigned in

make Bishops preists bee true then their pretended Bishops and ministers claymed by his ordination are not true and lawfull but voide and inualidate If their second opinion contradictorie to the first bee true that the Pope is not Antichrist but the true Vicar Preist and Bishop of Christ as one or the other is moste true Then first because it is not my nature to giue yt they must take this infamous and notorious lye amongst them by their owne Iudgment Secondly as their brethren before haue tolde them they must confesse that the Pope of Rome and Offer supr pag. 16. that church and in them God and Christ Ihesus himselfe haue had greate wronge and indignitis offered vnto them and that the protestant churches are schismaticall in forsakinge the vnion and communion with them Thirdly that their extreamest and bloody persecutions against the sacred preists and Catholicks of England haue longe time beene and still continued are yett moste barbarous and Antichristian Fourthly that they must doe penance and seeke absolution of this by his maiesties Censure their Mother church Fiftly they must still continue in this state K. speach in parlam recantinge their former false brauings and heresies or els neuer to bee credited hereafter This is all the choise I can propose vnto then lett them make their owne election And which soeuer they chuse this is their miserable and desperate case that they haue not now any one true or lawfull Bishop or preist except some few vnhappy Renegadoes from the Romane church in England by their owne proceedings For if I should graunt which Mason proueth not that Barlowe was a true Bishop made in the time of kinge Henry 8 and a Consecrator of Matthew Parker which soe many their owne testimonies before deny yet● M. Mason hath told vs before that his commission power and purpose was to make him an Archbishop according to the forme of the protestant Mason sup in cōsecrat Matth. park statutes which as before was onely to giue him false iurisdiction without order And yett as I haue proued by them s●lu●s true iurisdiction maketh not a true and lawfull Bishop Secondly whatsoeuer is the Catholick opinion in making Bishops and whether onely one or more consecratinge Bishops of necessitie are required whereof wee doe not dispute because their commission was onely Stat. Henr. 8. of making Bishops stat An. 1. Eliz. reuiuing yt according to the forme of their statutes the statutes of kinge Henry 8. and Queene Elizabeth as before required foure Bishops and soe their practise is in all M. Masons pretended consecrations of Yonge Grindall Packhurst Mason in cons of yonge c. Coxe Iuell Pilkinton Sandes Downame Bentham and the rest though pretending to be onely ordinary Bishops But for Archbishops their statutes of necessitie require fower and being repealed by Q Elizabeth Thirdly M. Mason sup concil Flor. in vnione Mason and others graunt with the generall Councell of Florence that nothing is soe essentiall in true ordination as the true and lawfull forme and matter And yett M. Mason and his directors bee wittnesses that Parker by whome they all now clayme was soe farr from hauinge the catholicke true forme matter and maner of consecration That they plainely acknowledge Hee was made and admitted far otherwise and in different maner to all true Masōineōs of Matth. Park Archbishops of Canterbury before him from S. Augustines time and our first Christianitie Fourthly if by impossibilitie against all those euidence and without any Rituall or Order at all then all both ours and their owne as before condemned not one or any part of any vsed or lawfull to bee vsed any man could bee seduced to thinke that in their begynninge they had true Bishops of them which had beene made preists by catholike consecration yett because M. Mason his Mason in consecr directors and others and their generall practise assure vs that noe man not beinge a true and lawfull preist can possibly bee made a Bishop Stowe Hollinsh hi●t An. 1. Eliz. Articles of Relig. c. And bothe Barlowe and all their other pretended Consecrators were professed enemyes to preisthood sacrifice and holy oblation for the quicke and deade and that forme was condemned by their lawes and a quite contrary by statutes of kinge Edward and Q. Elizabeth made allowed and euer since practised against yt these men as I said cannot possibly now haue either true Bishop or preist amonge them all such in probabilitie deade longe since But M. Mason obiecteth that true preisthood Mason in cōsecrat of preists is not sacrificing preisthood nor giuen by such forme but by these wordes Rec●aue the Holy Ghost whose synnes you forgiue they are forgiuen Obiest and whose synnes you retaine they are retayned And soe the Romane church euer retayninge in consecration those wo●des as well as those of offeringe sacrifice for the lyuing and deade they still retayned true preisthood the protestants by that title and meanes receaued yt from them I Answeare him this is but his new and singular inuention for D. Sutchffe speaking Answ of our preists hath these wordes their preists are not called to preach and baptize● but to Sutcliff ag D. Kell pag. 4. Feild l. of t●e church c. sacrifice Christs body and blood vnder the accidents of breade and wine for the quicke and the deade Like is the doctrine of the rest And allthough we graunt the former wordes of losing and bindinge to bee requisite to absolue from synnes yett neither we nor protestants truely relating our doctrine can call yt the principall act of preisthood whereof wee dispute and which if it ●ee wanting the secondary is not giuen For proofe of this M. Mason himselfe bringeth more testimonies out of scriptures Councells and fathers then euer he or protestants will answeare I must be breife Therefore Mason in sacrific● c. I vrge him but vppon these his graunts Christ was a preist after the order of M●lchizedech and soe was to offer sacrifice according to that Order for as the Apostle saith Euery high preist is to offer sacrifice to God for the people therefore he graunteth that Christs bodie and blood giuen or offered to God for the people is a true sacrifice Which Christ manifestly affirmed to be done at his institution of this sacrifice when hee said this is my bodie which is gi●en for you my blood which is shedd for you in remission of synns Otherwise hee had neuer performed the function of his preisthood after the order of Melchisedech Therefore seeing Christs bodie was giuen and his blood shed both for the quick the deade and wee are preists after that order we are by our preisthood to offer sacrifice for the people because the Apostle saith euery highe preist Archicireus is to d●e yt and to bee a preist and high preist differ not in the preisthood office and sacrifice but in the Archi to bee higher or lower greater

Scismatici contra Episcopos non sunt audiendi Scismaticks are not to bee hard against Bishops M. Ormerod speaketh of them in this maner Ormer dial 2. They pe●seuer in inueterate and olde Scisme which by the auntient fathers and protestants alsoe maketh heresie Therefore protestants are both scismaticks and hereticks M. Powell himselfe Povvell cons pa 11. 16 19. pag. 25. 35. 48. 52. a puritane writeth thus of them They are Scismaticall they are in scisme th●●r ca●e is ●●ismaticall they haue p●anaticall giddin●s Sci●mes factions and innouation th●● are so●ers ●f s●di●ion scisme and faction they are scismaticks they are guiltie of scisme M Parkes calleth them Scismaticall hereticall and sacriledgeous they are Parkes Apol ●pist ded headstronge in Scisme and hardened in error How the puritane protestants vppon the groundes of our english protestants haue condemned all protestāt churches to be scismatical against the church and Pope of Rome is related before and the protestant author of the Cert consid An. 1565. ●p dedicat booke named certaine considerations giueth this testimonie The protestants of England syn against God in their proceedings their Religion is sed●tious a sect Scisme it is much like to an euill herbe or vve●de vvhich if it bee not speedely rooted vp but suffered to spreade vvill soone ouerspreade the gardons of God vvit● vice and impietie as there will scarce be● any roume left for vertue and pietie And D. Couell a man of best temper in writing amonge them speaketh thus of Couell ex●● pag. 139. their english protestants The scismes and diuisions amongst vs haue made a number renounce their office Then if the protestant Ministers themselues haue thus obserued themselues to bee in Scismes and therevppon renounced their office and communion Catholick● may not now begyn to communicate with them thus by themselues condemned for Scismaticks The 8. particular protestant demonstration for Catholicks iust Recusancie is Because the publicke protestant Seruice at which they refuse to bee present and communicate in is false hereticall iustely condemned and damnable by their owne doctrine NOw to come to their pretēded church seruice it selfe at which because Catholicks moste iustely as before refuse to bee present and for such Recusancie or Refusall are moste vniustly and aboue the measure of punishment of the greatest and notorious syns excepting treasons and matters of state punished and afflicted being conteyned in that their soe called Communion Booke or Booke of common prayers I argue thus Noe man may communicate with Hereticks and Scismaticks especiallie in prayers and publicke seruice not onely inuented and vsed without the allowance of the true and lawfull pastors but directly opposite and repugnant to the highest spirituall authoritle and iurisdiction But the english protestants by their owne testimonies before are in this case Therefore not to bee communicated with in such prayers and seruice Secondly I argue thus noe new deuised order of prayer deuised by consortinge vnto and in it selfe conteyninge and approuinge a Religion contrary to holy scriprures both the written and vnwritten word of God generall Councells decrees and doctrine of the primatiue Popes and fathers and to all churches of Christendome both present and heretofore derogatorie both to the triumphant militant and patient church of Christ where ●ll sacraments and instruments of grace either are absolutely denyed o● soe vnduely and prophanely vsed that all gr●ce by them is taken away from the lyuinge from them that die from Cleargie from laitie for the maried vnmaryed olde younge Ritch and pore and where there is not true ministery nor church to haue any hope of saluation in may bee communicated withall especially if these moste greuous and enormeous absurdities and inconueniences bee proued and made apparant by the cheife professors themselues of such a supposed Religion But the lamentable case and condition of these english protestants as is demonstratiuely proued by them befor is such as is her recited Therfore their seruice not to be communicated with vnder moste damnable and desperate syn Thirdly I argue in this maner whatsoeuer seruyce rite of sacraments or fashion of prayer was condemned by the best learned protestants of England Scotland Fraunce c. to bee foolish trifelinge and by reason apparant to bee disallowed and yett was deuised and allowed by the onely authoritie of an vnlearned childe kinge Edward 6. and Queene Elizabeth a woman not onely repugnant vnto the publicke approued office of our mother and commaundinge church the church of Rome but different from the custome of all protestant churches may not bee communicated withall But the english protestant Seruice and booke of common prayer is such by these protestants themselues Therfore by them not to bee communicated with The maior proposition is euidently true for the seruice that should bee soe receaued by any particular and not commaunding church as the english is not against the vse order and doctrine of all other churches true or pretended must needs bee both scismaticall and hereticall The minor proposition is thus proued first that the english protestant seruice is repugnant vnto the publicke seruice of the latine greeke Armenian other auntient churches it is euident by their liturgies Masses litanies c. conteining the doctrines Miss S. Iacobi Chris● Basil Aethiopum Mussarob Gregor c Couell against Burg pag. 69. of transsubstantiation prayer to Saints for the deade c. how it differeth from other protestant churches and was condemned by the best learned protestants of them is thus proued by protestants them selues First D. Couell writeth in these words The protestant Bishop of London Ridley a cheefe martyr with M. Foxe wrote vnto M. Grindall after their protestant Ar●hbishop of Canterbury that a man of wit● and learninge may finde to make apparant reasons against the booke of common prayer Then I may first conclude that this their pseudomartyr practizing that Booke and seruice against witt and learninge was either vnlearned and wittles or without Religion grace and conscience or both as others succeding vnto him bee by his Censure and such Booke and seruice not to bee communicated with And to shew that this opinion of their Bishop Ridley was not singular but common amonge those first protestants he writeth thus in another treatise The first protestants of this kingdome in a letter Couell ●xā pag. 72. subscribed with eleuen of their hands whereof Knoxe Gilby Whittingam Goodman were foure moste of them suerly hauing both learninge iudgment call the english protestant Ceremonies trifles and superfluous Ceremonies From whence I first conclude that their seruice soe censured with soe many learned and iudicious men as this protestant esteemeth them may not bee commun●cated with Secondly I conclude this their protestant Religion and seruice to bee new against all former churches and ages and soe hereticall For hee calleth those Censurers of the communion Booke first deuised vnder kinge Edward 6. The first protestants of this kingdome Therefore this their

things that which is directly opposite and contrary to their owne Conscience and iudgment in Religion Therefore to proceede in my first intended purpose and proposition I argue in this maner Noe men which by their owne testimonies and writings doe generally dislike or disallowe of the temporall princes supreamacie in spirituall and ecclesiasticall Causes and in straunge and danigerous order can or may in conscience by oathe and swearinge allowe yt But this is the common estate of english protestants by their owne confessions published in writinge Therefore they cannot in conscience sweare to the oathe of supreamacie in temporall princes or allowe yt for true doctrine The maior proposition is euidently true for in soe dyinge they are periured and forsworne and in a matter of highe moment And all periury is damnable And soe noe spirituall communication to bee had with such men in such matters or in things daungerous vnto or against Regalitie or lawfull regiment allowed by the lawe of God and true Religion The minor proposition that protestants in England are in this condition is thus proued by their owne Testimonies The protestant author of the booke named Certaine demaundes writeth in these words The protestant Bishops doe not attributie Cert demaund An 1605. p. 54 any more spirituall authoritie v●to the Kinge to make constitute and ordeyne Canons Constitutions Rites or Ceremonies then they giue vnto him spiritual povver to preache the vvorlde adminis●er the sacraments and excommunicate But the articles of their Religion confirmed and thus published by his maiestie resolueth this matter in these wordes Wee giue not to our Articles of Relig. ar 37 Prince the ministrings either of Gods vvorde or of the sacraments the vvhich thinge the iniunctions also● sometime sett forth by Elizabeth our late Queene doe moste plainely testifie Therefore as the Conclusion before is The protestants of England cannot by their owne doctrine without periury sweare to the kings supreamacie Therefore parlamentarie pro●estants and puritans alsoe holdinge this opinion against the kings supreamacie and yett for preferment or other carnall respects hauing sworne vnto yt are periured and forsworne in a damnable degree And thus by this title the pretended ministery of England is a periured Ministery by their owne writings Againe I argue in this maner whatsoeuer Ministery claymeth their callinge to bee by lawe diuine diuinae ordinationis doe by the doctrine of english protestants deny the kings supreamacie But both the parlament protestants and puritanes thus clayme their callinge of ministery Therefore by their owne doctrine deny the kings supreamacie The maior proposition is proued by the protestant author of the booke named Certaine Considerations in these wordes if the english protestants Cert consider pa. 46. opinion bee mayntayned that Bishops iurisdiction is de iure diuino his maiestie and all the nobilitie ought to bee subiect to excommunication Therefore by this protestant reason the kinge is not supreame for hee that is supreame or superior cannot be excommunicated by the inferior which hath not power ouer the supe-superior much lesse ouer him that is supreame Againe hee that is supreame is subiect to none because not inferior but aboue commaundinge all Yett here the kinge is both named subiect and Censured as an inferior and to that penance and punishment soe greuous that the protestant author of Assertion thus expresseth Assertion An. 1604. pag. 326. it inflicted on princes by their supreamacies Excommunication is terrible to princes and rulers a delyuery of the soule to sathan punishment of the bodie and daunger of go●ds Excommunication is soe powerfull as it can constreyne princes and rulers to doe their duties M. Ormerod alsoe remembreth this protestant doctrine Ormer dial 1. in these words princes ought to submitt themselues to the Seniors of the church they ought to be cōtēt to be ruled gouerned punished corrected excōmunicated by their discretiō at their pleasur Then whether these protestāts can in cōscience sweare to the kings supreamacie as they haue done or sweare an oathe soe much concerning their Bishops presbitery as the named Oathe of alledgeance cōcerneth the Popes prerogatiue and whether it is more reasonable for any one temporall prince to acknowledge The Bishop of the cheefest Apostolicke See whome all Catholicke princes of Christendome and the church of Christ euer acknowledged for their supreame spirituall pastor and gouernor to bee alsoe vnto him as hee is and euer was to all his progen●tors kings and other princes or singularly with soe manifest daunger against scriptures councels fathers histories and all authorities and examples to make himselfe his soule bodie life and goods as before subiect and at the pleasure of his subiects euery pretended Bishop in his dioces and euery Minister of the presbyterie in his parishe or diuision I leaue these for others to conclude onely I add that these protestants by this their claymed superiority ouer princes haue within lesse then fourtie yeares disinherited depriued and spoyled more temporall princes of their lawfull territories and dominions as is proued against them by a Catholicke writer of our nation Then the Pope by any prerogatiue title Moder Answ ca. 8. c. 9. See the protestants there cited or clayme with the consent of kingdomes hath taken vpon him to alter the Regiment of temporall kinges from the first begynning of Christianitie to these dayes But more of this matter hereafter The minor proposition that both the protestant Bishops now and the presbiterie clayme their callings Iure diuino by the law of God and not from the prince is euidently proued before And manifest in probation of the first proposition For the lawes of this land and wee admitt noe others are soe far from making it the office and power of any Bishop presbiterie parson or societie whatsoeuer ●o excommunicate their prince delyuer his soule to Sathan punish his bodie on daunger his goods constreyne rule gouerne correct and punish him at their discretion and pleasure as their owne words before bee that the very conspiring or consenting vnto such things is a state of high Treason and greatest offence to lawe in this kingedome Therefore they must blasphemousely clayme as they doe other things from the lawe o● God noe other in force here as before Then I may say with their owne protestant writer in these words The kinges supreamacie is fallen Certaine cōsideratiōs An. 1605. pag. 47. downe and ouerthrowne in the moste daungerous degree by the english protestant proceedings And this might suffice for this purpose demonstratiuely prouing what I promised But I argue further in this maner Whoeseuer doe not onely say that the protestant Bishops or presbiterie haue the supreamacie in spirituall things and kings haue nothing therein to deale but must submitt their scepters and Crowns lose their Royaltie cease to bee kings not to bee obeyed to bee deposed vnthroned bereaued of all power and principalitie c. as the protestant ministery shall please or denownce

may not bee communicated with in Religion either by the lawe of God or of this kingedome But the english protestant doctrine is such by their owne writings Therefore not to bee communicated withall in Religion The maior proposition is soe euidently true that it is manifest spirituall treason heresie and Rebellion to God and ciuill Treason in moste highe degree against our kinge by the lawes of this nation to deny yt And the minor proposition is thus proued by these protestants one protestant writeth thus C●rtaine demaū An. 1605. p. 42. Couell exā ●ag 12. To establish the commaund of the ciuill magistrate the squar and plumet of subiects conscience is to wrest the scriptures and a Tyranny D. Couell recordeth their opinion thus First fruites tenthes subsedies contributions of ecclesiasticall parsons to the prince are sacriledge and Robbery D. Willet writeth in this maner Princes ar● not to Will●t Antil pa. 151. Assertion An. 1604. Ormer pict purit epist dedic dial 1. bee obeyed in all ecclesiasticall lawes An other writeth thus The temporall prince neuer had any spirituall power in this kingedome M. Ormered setteth downe their doctrine in these words Christian Soueraignes ought not to bee called heads vnder Christ of the particular and visible churches within their dominions princes ought not to meddle with the making of lawes orders and Ceremo●ies for the church As the ministers Ormerod supr d. 4. meddle not with makinge of ciuill lawes and lawes for the common wealthe s●● the ciuill Magistrate hath not to ordeyne Ceremonies pertayninge to the churche Noe ciuill Magistrates in Councells dialog 1. or assemblers for church matters can either bee cheife moderator ouer Ruler iudge or determiner To bee breife in this matter D. Morton perceauing that deniall of the princes supreamacie Mortō cōf of the pop auth par 3 p. 25. p. 26. was proued to bee the doctrine of their Bishop Bilson D. Fulke D. Whitaker D. Sutcliffe D. Couell D. Downame D. Willet M. Hooker M. Bell and others cheife writers amonge them denyeth it not eyther for them or himselfe but referreth the matter to S. Leo Pope of Rome who as hee was one of the moste learned godly fathers that euer were soe hee is knowne and acknowledged by protestants to bee the greatest patrone of the Popes supreamacie that was in that primatiue and learned age and taught as M. Ormerod telleth vs that God did assist direct that See in decrees And yett neither kinge Ormer pict pap pa. 44. nor Pope must bee supreame heade when it pleaseth them But either their Bishops or presbitery M Ormerod thus relateth their opinion Ormerod dial 2. To these three ioinily that is the ministers Senion and deacons is the whole regiment of the church to bee committed And how far this Regiment by them extendeth is before expressed euen to punish and depose princes and M. Ormerod further recompteth in these words Princes must remember to subiect themselues to the churche to Ormerod dial 1. submitt their scepters to throwe downe their Crownes before the churche yea to licke the dust of the feete of the churche And these soe well agreing protestants are or were soe far from swearinge to the supreamacie of a Temporall prince that in Scotland as they themselues wittnesse they caused our Soueraige kinge Iames to sweare to their supreamacie The words of the protestant defendor of the ministers Reasons are these The Kings maiestie hath not Defence of the minist reas pag. 3. Suruey of the Booke of common prayer p. 23 onely subscribed but sworne to the discipline An other protestant writer hath these words is it not generally knowne that his maiestie hath by subscription sworne to mayntayne the discipline in Scotland in these words To the vvhich vvee ioyne ourselues vvillingly in doctrine faith Religion discipline and vse of the holy sacraments as a liuely member of the same promising● and swearinge by the greate name of our Lord that wee shall defend the same accordinge to our vocation and power all the dayes of our life vnder the payne conteyned in the lawe and daunger bothe of bodie and soule in the day of Gods fearefull iudgment And yett his maiestie hath told vs before that these men to obtayne their purpose first gaue supreamacie to the Queene there But their purpose now obtayned the Kinge himselfe by their Relation subscribeth sweareth to their supreamacie as a subiect to them as his Superiors What moste horrible and odious positions about depriuinge deposing killinge and murtheringe of princes not sutinge to their humors in Religion not without horror to bee named are recorded by their brother Whittingham Wittingh pref to Goodni booke deane of durrhame and affirmed to bee approued by the best learned at Geneua Caluine Whittingham Goodman Gilby Couerdale one of their pretended Bishops from whome D. Sutcliffe befor claymeth their ministery Whiteheade english protestants and others and to bee seene in they suruey of holy discipline attributed to their late protestant Archbishop of Canterbury Suruey of of Hol. discipl D. Bancroft which I breefely remember here though befor the time of my syxe limited yeares Because the protestant Authors of the offer of conference speaking in the name of all their protestant profession call those positions the doctrine of the worthiest protestants and thus Offer of Cōfer p. 18. 19 affirme they consent in iudgment with those parsons and churches and together with other churches hold the foresaid positions And Doctor Couell will secure mee in this poynt that I doe Couell exā pag 35. 36. not exceede my limitts his wordes bee these That it is lawfull to kill wicked kings wa● the doctrine of the best and moste learned about Geneua and those partes Neither neede wee to seeke these obedient doctrines at Geneua where they depriued their temporall prince or in Scotland deposinge their lawfull Queene and Princesse England it selfe will yeeld vs too much choice of these doctrines M. Ormerod doth thus relate them what Kinge Prynce or Emperour shall disanull Ormer pict purit epist. ded c. 2. supr d. 3. the discipline hee is to bee reputed Gods enemy and to bee held vnworthie to raigne aboue his people And more plainely of all princes in generall in these words Kinges and princes are naturally enemyes to the libertie of the ghospell and can neuer patiently heare the yeoke of Christ. The sup ● 1. gouernment of the common wealthe must bee framed accordinge to the gouernment of the churche where there must bee equalitie and paritie Whervppon their Bishop Barlowe thus relateth the speach of his maiestie in their publicke Conference The presbytery aswell agreeth vvith a monarchie as God and the deuill lacke and Tom and Conference at Hampt Court p. 79 Will and Dicke vvill Censure the Kinge and all their proceedings at their pleasure in Scotlande he vvas a kinge vvithout state vvithout honour vvithout order vvhere beardelesse boyes