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thing_n be_v seek_v after_o 1_o whether_o his_o doctrine_n of_o real_a presence_n be_v true_a or_o not_o 2_o whether_o he_o consent_v in_o the_o real_a presence_n with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n or_o not_o 3_o whether_o he_o dissent_v in_o the_o point_n of_o real_a presence_n with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n or_o not_o his_o consent_n with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v plentiful_o witness_v by_o himself_o thus_o he_o write_v there_o be_v no_o difference_n between_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o we_o in_o the_o point_n of_o real_a presence_n gag_n p._n 253._o the_o protestant_n in_o the_o sacrament_n be_v as_o real_a and_o substantial_a as_o any_o papist_n gag_n p._n 251._o if_o the_o
and_o a_o essence_n real_o subsist_v when_o he_o do_v administer_v the_o sacrament_n to_o his_o disciple_n and_o say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n etc._n etc._n then_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n be_v real_o and_o substantial_o present_a in_o the_o sacrament_n but_o christ_n give_v substance_n and_o a_o essence_n real_o subsist_v etc._n etc._n therefore_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n be_v real_o present_a i_o answer_v the_o word_n substance_n etc._n etc._n in_o this_o place_n may_v be_v take_v for_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n or_o for_o the_o substance_n of_o christ_n body_n that_o christ_n give_v the_o substance_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n i_o grant_v and_o so_o the_o assumption_n be_v true_a and_o he_o must_v grant_v it_o likewise_o or_o else_o say_v with_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n sess_n 13._o can_n 2._o that_o it_o do_v not_o remain_v but_o be_v change_v etc._n etc._n which_o i_o presume_v he_o will_v not_o do_v but_o the_o word_n substance_n be_v thus_o understand_v 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it_o if_o christ_n give_v the_o substance_n of_o his_o body_n thus_o than_o the_o substance_n of_o his_o body_n be_v present_a but_o christ_n do_v not_o give_v the_o substance_n of_o his_o body_n on_o this_o manner_n if_o he_o will_v say_v christ_n give_v the_o substance_n of_o his_o body_n in_o this_o sort_n he_o must_v prove_v it_o by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n for_o it_o be_v impossible_a unto_o natural_a understanding_n that_o christ_n shall_v deliver_v the_o substance_n of_o his_o own_o body_n out_o of_o his_o own_o possession_n into_o the_o possession_n of_o his_o disciple_n furthermore_o give_v may_v be_v after_o a_o heavenly_a and_o spiritual_a manner_n that_o be_v to_o say_v unto_o faith_n if_o he_o say_v christ_n give_v the_o substance_n of_o his_o body_n in_o this_o sense_n then_o he_o say_v true_a and_o thus_o he_o must_v say_v or_o disclaim_v the_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n for_o so_o say_v our_o church_n in_o the_o 28_o article_n but_o then_o christ_n may_v so_o give_v and_o yet_o not_o be_v real_o and_o substantial_o present_a in_o the_o sacrament_n for_o we_o lift_v up_o our_o heart_n to_o heaven_n and_o there_o feed_v upon_o the_o lamb_n of_o god_n thus_o spiritual_o with_o the_o mouth_n of_o our_o faith_n we_o eat_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n and_o drink_v his_o blood_n etc._n etc._n as_o i_o have_v allege_v out_o of_o bishop_n jewel_n in_o his_o reply_n to_o harding_n p._n 238._o see_v defen_n apolog._n p._n 234._o and_o 264._o for_o this_o answer_n i_o hope_v no_o man_n will_v require_v i_o to_o prove_v that_o christ_n be_v not_o real_o present_a in_o the_o sacrament_n that_o belong_v not_o to_o i_o but_o because_o they_o affirm_v that_o he_o be_v present_a and_o tell_v we_o we_o must_v believe_v that_o god_n have_v reveal_v it_o therefore_o it_o be_v enough_o for_o we_o to_o call_v for_o a_o sight_n of_o that_o divine_a revelation_n and_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n to_o withhold_v our_o belief_n thereof_o even_o upon_o that_o ground_n which_o bishop_n jewel_n have_v lay_v in_o the_o defence_n of_o his_o apology_n part_v 2._o cap._n 12._o divis_fw-la 1._o p._n 220._o namely_o christ_n nor_o his_o apostle_n never_o teach_v nor_o the_o primitive_a church_n never_o believe_v that_o real_a presence_n thus_o have_v i_o end_v this_o argument_n and_o the_o whole_a point_n of_o real_a presence_n and_o i_o hope_v have_v make_v it_o appear_v that_o it_o be_v neither_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n nor_o a_o true_a doctrine_n chap._n xv._o the_o point_n of_o image_n master_n mountagu_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n the_o church_n of_o england_n image_n and_o idol_n may_v be_v two_o thing_n unto_o christian_n they_o be_v not_o unlawful_a in_o all_o manner_n of_o religious_a employment_n the_o image_n of_o christ_n of_o the_o virgin_n marie_n and_o other_o saint_n may_v be_v have_v and_o keep_v in_o church_n honour_n and_o worship_n be_v due_a and_o must_v be_v yield_v unto_o they_o take_v out_o of_o the_o homily_n against_o peril_n of_o idolatry_n print_v 1576._o the_o second_o tome_n the_o picture_n of_o christ_n the_o bless_a virgin_n and_o saint_n may_v be_v set_v up_o in_o church_n not_o that_o any_o divinity_n or_o power_n be_v believe_v to_o be_v in_o they_o for_o which_o they_o be_v worship_v or_o that_o any_o thing_n be_v desire_v of_o they_o or_o that_o a_o trust_n be_v place_v in_o they_o the_o word_n idol_n and_o image_n be_v word_n of_o diverse_a tongue_n and_z sounds_z yet_o use_v in_o the_o scripture_n indifferent_o for_o one_o thing_n always_o p._n 27._o to_o bring_v image_n into_o the_o church_n be_v a_o foul_a abuse_n and_o great_a enormity_n page_n 27._o be_v forbid_a and_o unlawful_a p._n 84._o not_o thing_n indifferent_a nor_o tolerable_a pag._n 96_o &_o 97._o there_o be_v a_o respect_n due_a unto_o and_o honour_v give_v relative_o unto_o the_o picture_n of_o saint_n &_o christ_n they_o may_v be_v use_v for_o help_n of_o piety_n in_o rememoration_n and_o more_o 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before_o they_o and_o to_o follow_v their_o life_n &_o manner_n  _fw-fr for_o instance_n in_o remember_v more_o feel_o and_o so_o be_v impassion_v more_o effectual_o with_o the_o death_n of_o our_o saviour_n when_o we_o see_v that_o story_n represent_v unto_o we_o by_o a_o skilful_a hand_n appeal_v p._n 254._o council_n trent_n sess_n 25._o de_fw-la invoca_fw-la etc._n etc._n  _fw-fr chap._n xvi_o the_o point_n set_v down_o in_o the_o former_a chapter_n be_v discuss_v here_o we_o inquire_v of_o three_o thing_n 1_o whether_o his_o doctrine_n of_o image_n be_v true_a or_o not_o 2_o whether_o he_o consent_v therein_o with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n or_o not_o 3_o whether_o he_o dissent_v therein_o from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n or_o not_o his_o consent_n with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v sufficient_o testify_v by_o their_o word_n and_o he_o he_o say_v image_n may_v be_v have_v in_o church_n and_o honour_n be_v due_a and_o to_o be_v give_v unto_o they_o so_o say_v the_o council_n he_o say_v honour_n be_v due_a and_o give_v relative_o the_o council_n say_v the_o honour_n exhibit_v to_o image_n be_v refer_v to_o the_o prototype_n which_o be_v the_o same_o with_o he_o he_o say_v they_o may_v be_v use_v for_o the_o instruction_n of_o the_o ignorant_a recall_v the_o memory_n of_o the_o history_n and_o stir_v up_o of_o devotion_n the_o council_n say_v the_o article_n of_o faith_n may_v be_v learn_v by_o they_o man_n put_v in_o mind_n of_o the_o benefit_n by_o christ_n and_o stir_v up_o to_o give_v thanks_n for_o the_o miracle_n and_o to_o imitate_v the_o virtuous_a action_n wrought_v by_o the_o saint_n which_o differ_v nothing_o from_o he_o he_o conclude_v the_o point_n of_o image_n thus_o let_v practice_n
rome_n call_v voluntary_a work_n work_n of_o supererogation_n artic._n 14._o so_o do_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o i_o have_v show_v out_o of_o bellarmine_n n_o o_o 1._o therefore_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v ignorant_a and_o fantastical_a 2_o o_o mr_n mountagu_n who_o do_v you_o make_v yourself_o to_o be_v do_v you_o know_v the_o faith_n of_o rome_n better_a than_o your_o mother_n nay_o better_o than_o yourself_o you_o subscribe_v that_o article_n and_o thereby_o profess_v those_o word_n of_o she_o to_o be_v true_a be_v the_o other_o end_n of_o your_o tongue_n turn_v outward_o that_o you_o now_o unsay_v what_o you_o say_v then_o do_v you_o then_o know_v and_o now_o be_v ignorant_a but_o suppose_v you_o may_v make_v thus_o bold_a with_o your_o mother_n and_o yourself_o do_v you_o think_v to_o beg_v all_o the_o learned_a in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n for_o fool_n that_o understand_v not_o their_o own_o faith_n but_o you_o will_v be_v think_v far_o from_o this_o therefore_o your_o proposition_n be_v false_a in_o the_o same_o thought_n 3_o the_o proposition_n do_v suppose_v that_o work_v lay_v up_o in_o store_n to_o satisfy_v for_o other_o man_n offence_n call_v the_o treasure_n of_o the_o church_n be_v the_o papist_n work_n of_o supererogation_n and_o so_o he_o speak_v express_o gag_n page_n 103._o 105._o 106._o 〈◊〉_d this_o be_v a_o mere_a presumption_n without_o truth_n avouch_v bare_o upon_o his_o own_o word_n without_o tender_v any_o proof_n you_o must_v prove_v what_o you_o say_v or_o else_o you_o bring_v word_n of_o the_o wind_n against_o you_o i_o prove_v thus_o 1_o that_o which_o be_v lay_v up_o in_o store_n to_o satisfy_v for_o other_o be_v not_o work_n but_o the_o value_n and_o price_n of_o work_n viz._n satisfaction_n bellarm._n de_fw-fr indul._n lib._n 1._o cap._n 2._o 1_o propos_fw-fr 4_o propos_fw-fr cap._n 3._o 1_o propos_fw-fr therefore_o that_o which_o be_v lay_v up_o in_o store_n to_o satisfy_v 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beast_n and_o just_a so_o do_v you_o in_o this_o place_n if_o you_o comprehend_v remission_n of_o sin_n and_o sanctification_n under_o the_o name_n of_o justification_n and_o this_o be_v his_o whole_a plea_n touch_v the_o first_o part_n of_o his_o excuse_n and_o this_o too_o much_o too_o for_o of_o three_o thing_n two_o of_o they_o be_v whole_o beside_o the_o matter_n and_o void_a of_o truth_n in_o themselves_o the_o three_o disprove_v by_o his_o own_o plain_a testimony_n in_o the_o behalf_n of_o the_o second_o part_n of_o his_o excuse_n he_o say_v page_n 172._o justification_n be_v take_v in_o scripture_n strict_o for_o remission_n of_o sin_n and_o large_o for_o that_o act_n of_o god_n and_o the_o necessary_a &_o immediate_a concomitance_n unto_o and_o consequence_n upon_o that_o &c_n &c_n and_o the_o like_a do_v caluine_n perkins_n beza_n i_o
sentence_n justification_n consider_v in_o itself_o and_o without_o any_o person_n receive_v the_o same_o be_v say_v to_o consist_v in_o grace_n in_o the_o second_o sentence_n not_o justification_n in_o itself_o nor_o with_o the_o party_n receive_v it_o but_o the_o party_n justify_v conceive_v otherwise_o then_o as_o he_o be_v justify_v be_v say_v to_o possess_v or_o enjoy_v grace_n infuse_v together_o with_o his_o justification_n therefore_o by_o the_o first_o sentence_n you_o do_v not_o mean_v the_o second_o 2_o if_o by_o this_o sentence_n justification_n consist_v in_o grace_n infuse_v he_o mean_v to_o describe_v justification_n as_o it_o comprehend_v the_o whole_a state_n and_o condition_n of_o a_o man_n regenerate_v &_o reconcile_v to_o god_n than_o he_o agree_v full_o with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o take_v it_o so_o for_o it_o describe_v justification_n to_o be_v a_o translation_n from_o that_o state_n in_o which_o man_n be_v bear_v a_o son_n of_o the_o first_o adam_n into_o the_o state_n of_o grace_n and_o adoption_n of_o the_o son_n of_o god_n council_n of_o trent_n sess_v 6._o cap._n 4._o and_o more_o full_o it_o say_v justification_n itself_o be_v not_o only_a remission_n of_o sin_n but_o also_o sanctification_n and_o renovation_n of_o the_o inward_a man_n by_o a_o voluntary_a receipt_n of_o grace_n and_o gift_n from_o whence_o a_o man_n be_v just_a of_o unjust_a a_o friend_n of_o a_o enemy_n and_o heir_n according_a to_o the_o hope_n of_o everlasting_a life_n cap._n 7._o but_o by_o that_o sentence_n he_o mean_v so_o to_o describe_v etc._n etc._n as_o be_v before_o set_v down_o no._n 7_o wherein_o also_o he_o place_v his_o confidence_n appeal_v page_n 172._o to_o give_v satisfaction_n if_o any_o will_v be_v take_v therefore_o when_o he_o say_v justification_n consist_v in_o grace_n infuse_v he_o agree_v with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n now_o at_o the_o last_o we_o be_v come_v to_o a_o final_a conclusion_n touch_v the_o consist_v of_o justification_n in_o grace_n infuse_v wherein_o after_o many_o turn_n wind_n and_o shift_n now_o this_o way_n than_o that_o way_n some_o unto_o the_o matter_n some_o beside_o the_o matter_n we_o be_v come_v by_o his_o own_o direction_n and_o the_o evidence_n of_o the_o thing_n itself_o unto_o this_o conclusion_n that_o he_o agree_v with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o the_o next_o place_n we_o must_v inquire_v whether_o he_o agree_v with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o dissent_v from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n in_o assign_v of_o the_o nature_n of_o remission_n of_o sin_n touch_v which_o thus_o he_o say_v both_o forgiveness_n of_o sin_n and_o grace_v infuse_v be_v the_o act_n of_o god_n spirit_n in_o man_n to_o the_o same_o effect_n the_o council_n of_o trent_n decree_v in_o these_o word_n grace_n bestow_v in_o baptism_n do_v take_v away_o whatsoever_o have_v the_o true_a and_o proper_a nature_n of_o sin_n sess_v 5._o these_o sentence_n of_o the_o council_n and_o mr._n mountagu_n do_v full_o agree_v he_o say_v the_o spirit_n it_o say_v grace_n he_o say_v the_o spirit_n in_o man_n it_o say_v grace_v receive_v he_o say_v remission_n of_o sin_n be_v the_o act_n of_o the_o spirit_n it_o say_v grace_n take_v away_o the_o true_a and_o proper_a nature_n of_o sin_n all_o which_o word_n be_v of_o the_o same_o value_n and_o signification_n all_o the_o interpreter_n of_o the_o council_n do_v extend_v this_o decree_n unto_o all_o sin_n as_o well_o personal_a as_o original_a and_o that_o upon_o good_a reason_n as_o i_o suppose_v likewise_o what_o the_o council_n say_v of_o grace_n bestow_v in_o baptism_n they_o apply_v also_o to_o the_o habit_n of_o grace_n receive_v out_o of_o baptism_n because_o it_o be_v the_o same_o habit_n which_o be_v receive_v by_o baptism_n &_o without_o baptism_n which_o do_v make_v their_o agreement_n clear_a to_o the_o full_a moreover_o the_o most_o common_a opinion_n of_o the_o expositor_n of_o the_o council_n do_v further_o say_v as_o bellarmine_n do_v the_o justific_a lib._n 2._o cap._n 16_o habitual_a grace_n have_v four_o formal_a effect_n the_o first_o whereof_o be_v to_o purge_v sin_n and_o thereby_o they_o make_v remission_n of_o sin_n a_o physical_a work_n of_o grace_n as_o when_o one_o pin_n be_v drive_v out_o by_o another_o or_o one_o colour_n be_v blot_v out_o by_o another_o some_o other_o but_o they_o be_v not_o many_o be_v of_o opinion_n that_o grace_n do_v remit_v sin_n by_o the_o way_n of_o merit_n but_o the_o first_o opinion_n be_v most_o agreeable_a to_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n which_o in_o that_o decree_n can_v be_v understand_v of_o take_v away_o sin_n by_o the_o way_n of_o merit_n because_o habitual_a grace_n bestow_v upon_o child_n can_v bring_v forth_o work_n and_o no_o work_n no_o merit_n beside_o if_o grace_n do_v merit_v remission_n of_o sin_n than_o a_o man_n may_v have_v grace_n for_o sometime_o and_o yet_o not_o have_v his_o sin_n remit_v for_o there_o may_v fall_v out_o sometime_o after_o a_o man_n have_v receive_v grace_n wherein_o he_o have_v no_o opportunity_n unto_o the_o do_n of_o a_o meritorious_a work_n unto_o which_o opinion_n mr._n mountagu_n his_o word_n do_v great_o incline_v for_o he_o say_v justification_n by_o grace_n and_o remission_n of_o sin_n be_v the_o act_n of_o god_n spirit_n which_o be_v as_o much_o as_o if_o he_o have_v say_v in_o what_o sort_n grace_n do_v make_v just_a in_o that_o sort_n grace_n do_v remit_v sin_n else_o he_o can_v not_o comprehend_v they_o both_o under_o one_o act_n but_o must_v have_v refer_v they_o unto_o two_o act_n now_o it_o be_v agree_v upon_o by_o all_o &_o bellarmine_n have_v it_o in_o the_o place_n last_o allege_v that_o to_o make_v just_a be_v a_o formal_a effect_n of_o habitual_a grace_n and_o according_o to_o remit_v sin_n be_v a_o formal_a effect_n of_o habitual_a grace_n again_o he_o say_v the_o soul_n of_o man_n be_v the_o subject_n of_o justification_n in_o these_o word_n he_o speak_v of_o the_o soul_n not_o simple_o as_o be_v the_o object_n of_o a_o outward_a work_n but_o as_o the_o subject_n receive_v remission_n of_o sin_n into_o it_o and_o how_o man_n shall_v receive_v remission_n of_o sin_n by_o grace_n into_o his_o soul_n and_o that_o remission_n not_o be_v a_o formal_a effect_n of_o grace_n can_v possible_o be_v show_v last_o if_o in_o his_o opinion_n sin_n do_v expel_v grace_n formal_o than_o he_o must_v be_v of_o opinion_n that_o grace_n do_v expel_v which_o be_v to_o remit_v sin_v formal_o but_o he_o have_v the_o first_o appeal_v p._n 173._o where_o he_o say_v the_o property_n of_o those_o sin_n that_o be_v more_o eminent_a notorious_a enormous_a be_v to_o waste_v the_o conscience_n where_o waste_v the_o conscience_n must_v signify_v the_o put_n away_o of_o grace_n for_o what_o be_v there_o in_o the_o conscience_n that_o can_v be_v waste_v by_o sin_n but_o grace_n and_o the_o act_n of_o waste_v must_v be_v a_o formal_a act_n because_o sin_n be_v conceive_v in_o such_o a_o case_n to_o rest_n and_o remain_v in_o stead_n of_o grace_n therefore_o he_o must_v be_v conceive_v to_o be_v of_o opinion_n that_o remission_n of_o sin_n be_v a_o formal_a effect_n of_o grace_n by_o this_o i_o hope_v it_o do_v appear_v that_o he_o agree_v full_o with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n but_o to_o avoid_v all_o scruple_n it_o be_v requisite_a that_o i_o remove_v one_o objection_n which_o may_v be_v make_v after_o this_o manner_n he_o place_v remission_n of_o sin_n in_o the_o pardon_n and_o not-imputation_n of_o sin_n gag_n page_n 143._o and_o in_o absolution_n therefrom_o appeal_v pag_n 169._o therefore_o he_o make_v not_o remission_n of_o sin_n a_o formal_a effect_n of_o grace_n i_o answer_v he_o may_v say_v both_o and_o yet_o agree_v with_o they_o for_o although_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n sess_v 6._o can_n 11._o and_o cap._n 7._o have_v but_o employ_v not_o express_o decree_v this_o manner_n of_o remit_v sin_n yet_o all_o the_o interpreter_n by_o one_o consent_n do_v teach_v both_o express_o except_o only_a gabriel_n vasquez_n in_o 1m._o 2_o ae_z disp_n 204._o per_fw-la tot_fw-la yea_o he_o must_v hold_v the_o latter_a though_o he_o do_v hold_v the_o former_a for_o pardon_n etc._n etc._n be_v require_v also_o unto_o the_o perfect_a do_v away_o of_o sin_n as_o thomas_n teach_v 3._o part_n q._n 22._o art_n 3._o c._n and_o suarez_n prove_v at_o large_a the_o great_a lib._n 7._o cap._n 13._o and_o 14._o and_o thus_o much_o i_o hope_v be_v sufficient_a to_o show_v his_o consent_n with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n i_o come_v now_o in_o the_o next_o place_n to_o show_v his_o dissent_n from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n in_o this_o point_n of_o remission_n of_o sin_n what_o the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v decree_v in_o
the_o point_n i_o will_v set_v down_o and_o then_o apply_v it_o it_o say_v good_a work_n can_v put_v away_o our_o sin_n artic._n 12._o in_o which_o sentence_n there_o be_v a_o direct_a contradiction_n put_v unto_o the_o doctrine_n last_o recite_v out_o of_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o m._n mountagu_n the_o term_n put_v away_o must_v signify_v that_o put_n away_o which_o be_v call_v remission_n and_o not_o satisfaction_n for_o this_o do_v make_v recompense_n for_o sin_n but_o do_v not_o put_v away_o sin_n which_o import_v the_o destroy_n of_o the_o be_v &_o remain_v of_o sin_n itself_o by_o deny_v the_o put_v away_o of_o sin_n to_o good_a work_n the_o merit_v of_o remission_n of_o sin_n by_o grace_n and_o the_o effect_n thereof_o be_v deny_v for_o otherwise_o then_o so_o good_a work_n be_v not_o fit_v nor_o able_a to_o put_v away_o sin_n and_o himself_o speak_v thus_o of_o it_o gag_n p._n 156._o now_o forasmuch_o as_o good_a work_n be_v the_o fruit_n of_o a_o lively_a faith_n as_o the_o article_n speak_v that_o be_v of_o the_o habit_n of_o grace_n the_o remission_n of_o sin_n that_o it_o deny_v to_o good_a work_n it_o deny_v to_o the_o habit_n of_o grace_n and_o therein_o it_o deny_v that_o remission_n of_o sin_n be_v a_o formal_a effect_n or_o physical_a work_n of_o grace_n forasmuch_o as_o the_o remission_n of_o sin_n can_v be_v no_o other_o effect_n or_o operation_n of_o the_o habit_n of_o grace_n but_o formal_a and_o physical_a the_o homily_n of_o alm_n pag._n 329._o teach_v the_o same_o thing_n express_o which_o be_v a_o proof_n sufficient_a that_o m._n mountagu_n do_v dissent_v from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o no_o dissent_n in_o a_o matter_n of_o this_o kind_n can_v be_v great_a than_o a_o contradiction_n our_o church_n do_v teach_v positive_o what_o remission_n of_o sin_n be_v wherein_o it_o do_v assign_v a_o nature_n contrary_a to_o that_o which_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o m._n mountagu_n do_v give_v unto_o it_o if_o i_o make_v that_o appear_v i_o doubt_v not_o then_o to_o say_v m._n mountagu_n dissent_v from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n i_o do_v it_o thus_o the_o true_a knowledge_n of_o the_o remission_n of_o sin_n consist_v in_o the_o true_a understanding_n of_o these_o two_o thing_n viz._n 1._o what_o be_v mean_v by_o sin_n which_o be_v say_v to_o be_v forgive_v second_o what_o act_n of_o god_n it_o be_v by_o which_o it_o be_v forgive_v sin_n of_o which_o a_o man_n may_v be_v denominate_v a_o sinner_n may_v be_v conceive_v two_o way_n first_o for_o the_o act_n of_o sin_n past_a second_o for_o the_o will_n of_o sin_v as_o thomas_n have_v true_o observe_v 3._o part_n q._n 61._o art_n 4._o c._n the_o will_n of_o sin_v be_v not_o the_o object_n of_o that_o act_n which_o the_o scripture_n call_v remit_v because_o the_o will_n of_o sin_v import_v a_o indisposition_n unto_o good_a and_o a_o aptness_n to_o sin_n remain_v in_o the_o will_n from_o whence_o the_o scripture_n do_v not_o denominate_v a_o man_n a_o sinner_n but_o from_o the_o act_n of_o sin_n the_o act_n of_o sin_n past_a be_v the_o object_n of_o remission_n as_o be_v confess_v on_o all_o side_n the_o council_n of_o trent_n have_v decree_v it_o sess_n 6._o cap._n 5._o where_o it_o make_v such_o as_o be_v turn_v from_o god_n by_o sin_n the_o man_n that_o be_v justify_v so_o do_v all_o the_o expositor_n of_o the_o council_n with_o one_o consent_n make_v the_o act_n of_o sin_n the_o thing_n remit_v and_o from_o which_o a_o man_n be_v justify_v bellarmine_n have_v it_o de_fw-fr justi_fw-la lib._n 2._o cap._n 16._o with_o who_o testimony_n i_o will_v rest_v content_v other_o may_v say_v the_o same_o thing_n but_o not_o more_o nor_o more_o clear_o than_o he_o have_v do_v the_o church_n of_o england_n teach_v it_o in_o the_o first_o homily_n of_o salvation_n where_o it_o name_v a_o little_a after_o the_o beginning_n sin_n forgive_v by_o the_o name_n of_o trespass_n and_o again_o sin_n from_o which_o man_n be_v wash_v and_o which_o be_v not_o impute_v it_o call_v sin_n in_o act_n or_o deed_n the_o act_n of_o god_n whereby_o the_o sin_n of_o man_n be_v remit_v be_v set_v out_o by_o the_o church_n of_o england_n by_o diverse_a title_n according_a to_o the_o course_n and_o phrase_n of_o scripture_n but_o of_o they_o all_o one_o be_v the_o most_o fit_a and_o of_o best_a signification_n for_o this_o present_a occasion_n viz._n the_o not-imputing_a of_o sin_n which_o it_o use_v in_o the_o first_o homily_n of_o salvation_n a_o little_a after_o the_o beginning_n the_o word_n lie_v thus_o man_n be_v wash_v from_o his_o sin_n in_o such_o sort_n that_o there_o remain_v not_o any_o spot_n of_o sin_n that_o shall_v be_v impute_v to_o their_o damnation_n in_o which_o sentence_n wash_v away_o the_o spot_n of_o sin_n which_o be_v the_o act_n remit_v sin_n be_v resolve_v into_o the_o act_n of_o not-imputing_a where_o it_o say_v so_o wash_v as_o not_o impute_v he_o must_v not_o deny_v this_o homily_n to_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n for_o he_o do_v avouch_v it_o to_o be_v such_o in_o his_o appeal_v pag._n 190._o and_o 194._o if_o it_o be_v say_v the_o church_n of_o england_n do_v assign_v other_o act_n of_o remit_v sin_n beside_o this_o in_o use_v other_o title_n i_o answer_v though_o it_o do_v use_v other_o title_n yet_o not_o assign_v any_o other_o act_n but_o this_o for_o this_o do_v extend_v as_o large_o as_o they_o all_o and_o they_o do_v but_o explicate_v this_o therefore_o we_o may_v conclude_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n the_o not-imputation_n of_o sin_n be_v the_o sole_a and_o only_o act_v whereby_o sin_n be_v remit_v touch_v this_o act_n arise_v all_o the_o difference_n between_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o our_o church_n with_o which_o church_n of_o rome_n m._n mountagu_n consent_v both_o of_o they_o assign_v such_o a_o act_n of_o god_n as_o do_v real_o differ_v and_o put_v a_o contrariety_n unto_o this_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n teach_v 1._o that_o sin_n be_v remit_v by_o a_o create_v be_v namely_o the_o habit_n of_o grace_n 2._o that_o remission_n of_o sin_n be_v wrought_v in_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n 3._o that_o the_o manner_n how_o sin_n be_v remit_v by_o grace_n be_v formal_a and_o physical_a as_o a_o painter_n that_o cover_v a_o thing_n deform_v with_o beauty_n and_o good_a shape_n our_o church_n make_v 1._o the_o creator_n direct_o and_o immediate_o the_o worker_n thereof_o 2._o it_o place_v the_o thing_n effect_v not_o in_o man_n but_o in_o the_o outward_a estate_n and_o condition_n of_o man_n 3._o the_o manner_n of_o work_v to_o be_v mere_o efficient_a viz._n god_n out_o of_o his_o prerogative_n royal_a discharge_v our_o account_n not_o put_v our_o sin_n to_o our_o reckon_n and_o thus_o much_o be_v sufficient_a to_o prove_v his_o total_a agreement_n with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o disagreement_n with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n in_o the_o nature_n of_o justification_n and_o therewith_o i_o may_v put_v a_o end_n unto_o this_o whole_a point_n but_o i_o will_v go_v a_o little_a further_o to_o the_o satisfy_n of_o the_o point_n propound_v n_z o_o 12._o etc._n etc._n wherein_o my_o labour_n will_v not_o be_v lose_v for_o that_o which_o i_o shall_v say_v will_v serve_v abundant_o to_o show_v 1._o how_o divine_o the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v determine_v in_o this_o point_n 2._o how_o little_a reason_n he_o have_v to_o depart_v from_o the_o doctrine_n of_o our_o church_n in_o this_o point_n 3._o the_o great_a reason_n that_o every_o man_n have_v to_o strive_v for_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n in_o this_o point_n as_o for_o the_o faith_n once_o deliver_v to_o the_o saint_n against_o this_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n the_o church_n of_o rome_n as_o may_v well_o be_v conceive_v do_v thus_o dispute_v if_o no_o other_o act_n do_v concur_v unto_o the_o remit_v of_o sin_n but_o the_o act_n of_o not-imputing_a of_o sin_n than_o a_o man_n after_o remission_n of_o sin_n remain_v a_o sinner_n true_o and_o always_o foul_a and_o unclean_a but_o a_o man_n after_o remission_n of_o sin_n remain_v not_o a_o sinner_n true_o foul_a and_o unclean_a therefore_o beside_o the_o act_n of_o not-imputing_a of_o sin_n there_o be_v require_v some_o other_o act_n unto_o the_o remission_n of_o sin_n viz._n the_o infusion_n of_o grace_n whereby_o the_o true_a and_o proper_a nature_n of_o sin_n be_v take_v away_o root_v out_o and_o abolish_v this_o argument_n be_v frame_v out_o of_o the_o 4._o and_o 9_o argument_n of_o bellar._n de_fw-fr bap._n lib._n 1._o cap._n 13._o and_o also_o take_v out_o of_o those_o place_n
of_o bellarmine_n allege_v no._n 13._o the_o antecedent_n part_n of_o the_o proposition_n be_v find_v the_o bap._n lib._n 1._o cap._n 13._o where_o he_o allege_v a_o passage_n out_o of_o chemnitius_n contain_v the_o same_o doctrine_n which_o i_o have_v cite_v out_o of_o the_o 9_o article_n and_o the_o homily_n at_o no._n 13._o out_o of_o which_o he_o infer_v that_o we_o say_v that_o sin_n be_v remit_v because_o it_o be_v not_o impute_v and_o we_o acknowledge_v not_o that_o it_o be_v take_v away_o and_o in_o his_o disputation_n de_fw-fr justi_fw-la lib._n 2._o c._n 9_o praeterea_fw-la and_o cap._n 11._o illud_fw-la autem_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o same_o thing_n be_v repeat_v the_o consequent_a part_n of_o the_o proposition_n and_o the_o inference_n thereof_o from_o that_o antecedent_n be_v in_o de_fw-fr justi_fw-la lib._n 2_o cap._n 7._o secundo_fw-la etc._n etc._n tertio_fw-la etc._n etc._n i_o have_v assume_v negative_o the_o consequent_a part_n of_o the_o proposition_n because_o they_o deny_v the_o antecedent_n part_n of_o the_o proposition_n and_o as_o bellarmine_n say_v in_o that_o place_n de_fw-fr bap._n lib._n 1._o cap._n 13._o the_o council_n of_o trent_n sess_n 5._o can_n 5_o decree_v against_o it_o the_o assumption_n itself_o be_v their_o own_o doctrine_n as_o will_v be_v confess_v on_o all_o side_n the_o proof_n of_o the_o consequence_n seem_v to_o be_v these_o two_o thing_n 1_o the_o act_n of_o not-imputing_a do_v not_o take_v away_o sin_n confess_v by_o our_o doctrine_n no._n 13._o that_o say_v original_a sin_n be_v in_o the_o justify_v and_o in_o itself_o be_v sin_n proper_o and_o the_o spot_n of_o actual_a sin_n do_v likewise_o remain_v 2_o by_o the_o remain_v of_o sin_n that_o in_o itself_o be_v damnable_a a_o man_n be_v foul_a unclean_a and_o a_o sinner_n true_o now_o that_o i_o have_v set_v their_o disputation_n in_o true_a form_n and_o order_n i_o may_v say_v if_o m._n mountagu_n will_v maintain_v his_o doctrine_n of_o remission_n of_o sin_n not_o 23_o etc._n etc._n then_o he_o must_v dispute_v thus_o too_o &_o be_v a_o worthy_a child_n to_o his_o mother_n and_o a_o famous_a refuter_fw-la of_o the_o gagger_n if_o he_o will_v not_o dispute_v thus_o he_o must_v revoke_v that_o as_o false_a in_o itself_o and_o a_o stranger_n to_o the_o church_n of_o england_n unto_o this_o argument_n many_o divine_n do_v answer_v as_o he_o allege_v appeal_v p._n 169._o in_o these_o word_n we_o be_v far_o from_o this_o absurd_a opinion_n for_o we_o teach_v with_o the_o action_n of_o god_n remit_v sin_n concur_v another_o action_n of_o divine_a grace_n enable_v man_n to_o forsake_v and_o mortify_v every_o great_a sin_n which_o god_n have_v pardon_v but_o how_o fit_a this_o answer_n be_v to_o give_v satisfaction_n to_o any_o part_n of_o that_o argument_n i_o leave_v unto_o other_o to_o judge_v because_o 1._o bellarmine_n do_v confess_v no_o less_o than_o be_v in_o that_o answer_n de_fw-fr justi_fw-la lib._n 2._o cap._n 6._o at_o the_o beginning_n 2._o it_o seem_v not_o fit_a to_o be_v apply_v to_o the_o consequence_n of_o the_o proposition_n for_o that_o speak_v of_o do_v away_o of_o sin_n already_o commit_v but_o this_o answer_n speak_v of_o prevent_v sin_n not_o yet_o commit_v neither_o do_v it_o appertain_v to_o the_o assumption_n which_o do_v not_o charge_v we_o with_o the_o hold_n of_o any_o opinion_n whatsoever_o other_o divine_n do_v answer_v otherwise_o i_o will_v name_v one_o in_o stead_n of_o all_o namely_o doctor_n abbot_n in_o defence_n of_o m._n perkins_n of_o inherent_a justice_n 2._o part_n p._n 421._o his_o answer_n be_v long_o but_o i_o will_v contract_v it_o into_o so_o short_a a_o room_n as_o i_o may_v use_v his_o own_o word_n we_o say_v say_v he_o a_o man_n may_v be_v formal_o just_a in_o quality_n law_n in_o course_n of_o law_n and_o judgement_n the_o form_n of_o justice_n be_v not_o to_o be_v subject_a to_o crime_n or_o accusation_n and_o he_o be_v formal_o just_a against_o who_o no_o action_n or_o accusation_n be_v liable_a by_o law_n in_o this_o sort_n a_o man_n become_v just_a by_o pardon_n and_o forgiveness_n because_o pardon_v be_v obtain_v the_o law_n proceed_v no_o further_o and_o all_o imputation_n of_o the_o offence_n in_o law_n be_v take_v away_o as_o if_o it_o have_v never_o be_v commit_v and_o this_o be_v the_o state_n of_o our_o justice_n in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n our_o sin_n be_v forgive_v we_o and_o thereby_o no_o accusation_n be_v liable_a against_o us._n before_o i_o apply_v this_o to_o the_o argument_n it_o must_v be_v observe_v that_o the_o word_n pardon_v in_o this_o testimony_n be_v of_o the_o same_o value_n and_o signification_n with_o the_o word_n not-imputing_a use_v in_o the_o argument_n for_o by_o pardon_n he_o understand_v such_o a_o act_n as_o whereby_o the_o imputation_n of_o the_o offence_n in_o law_n be_v take_v away_o and_o to_o take_v away_o the_o imputation_n of_o the_o offence_n be_v not_o to_o impute_v the_o offence_n this_o answer_n lie_v against_o the_o consequence_n and_o the_o proof_n thereof_o affirm_v that_o the_o act_n of_o not-imputing_a sin_n do_v take_v away_o sin_n and_o prove_v that_o affirmation_n which_o proof_n i_o may_v dispose_v thus_o whereby_o we_o be_v make_v formal_o just_a before_o god_n that_o take_v away_o all_o sin_n this_o proposition_n be_v a_o manifest_a truth_n agree_v upon_o by_o all_o party_n but_o not-imputation_n of_o sin_n be_v that_o whereby_o we_o be_v make_v formal_o just_a before_o god_n for_o by_o it_o all_o crime_n action_n or_o accusation_n and_o offence_n in_o law_n be_v take_v away_o as_o if_o it_o have_v never_o be_v commit_v the_o law_n proceed_v no_o further_o which_o be_v formal_a justice_n in_o law_n and_o our_o formal_a justice_n before_o god_n therefore_o the_o not-imputation_n of_o sin_n do_v take_v away_o sin_n i_o may_v proceed_v further_a to_o show_v the_o insufficiency_n of_o the_o argument_n but_o i_o forbear_v so_o to_o do_v this_o that_o i_o have_v say_v be_v sufficient_a to_o justify_v and_o explicate_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n touch_v the_o nature_n of_o remission_n of_o sin_n and_o justification_n which_o be_v as_o much_o as_o i_o intend_v and_o this_o place_n require_v if_o mr._n mountagu_n notwithstanding_o all_o this_o will_v insist_v and_o say_v his_o word_n allege_v no_o 23._o etc._n etc._n be_v force_v beyond_o his_o intent_n and_o that_o in_o his_o judgement_n there_o be_v no_o other_o act_n in_o remission_n of_o sin_n but_o pardon_v or_o not-imputation_n he_o must_v look_v unto_o it_o for_o as_o bellarmine_n affirm_v de_fw-la justi_fw-la lib._n 2._o cap._n 1._o &_o 6_o that_o opinion_n be_v proper_a to_o caluine_n if_o that_o be_v true_a as_o it_o be_v most_o true_a how_o can_v he_o think_v it_o be_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n for_o as_o himself_o say_v appeal_v page_n 72._o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v not_o likely_a to_o be_v upon_o the_o party_n of_o a_o faction_n that_o have_v so_o long_o have_v a_o schism_n on_o foot_n against_o it_o to_o bring_v in_o genevanisme_n into_o church_n and_o state_n etc._n etc._n if_o it_o be_v not_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n what_o do_v it_o in_o mr._n mountagu_n his_o book_n that_o vow_v to_o thrust_v out_o all_o private_a opinion_n as_o irchin_n to_o their_o hole_n where_o they_o be_v breed_v and_o bastard_n to_o the_o parish_n where_o they_o be_v bear_v and_o to_o the_o whip_a post_n according_a to_o law_n and_o like_o a_o valiant_a and_o true_a champion_n to_o defend_v the_o doctrine_n of_o his_o mother_n the_o church_n of_o england_n therefore_o i_o may_v conclude_v let_v he_o turn_v himself_o which_o way_n he_o will_v he_o shall_v find_v himself_o to_o agree_v either_o with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n or_o with_o caluine_n if_o with_o they_o than_o be_v he_o a_o papist_n if_o with_o he_o then_o do_v he_o take_v the_o course_n to_o bring_v in_o pope_n into_o every_o parish_n as_o himself_o infer_v and_o which_o thing_n himself_o curse_v with_o a_o heavy_a and_o bitter_a curse_n appeal_v page_n 44._o i_o hope_v he_o will_v be_v rather_o a_o papist_n then_o a_o caluinist_n curse_v to_o hell_n with_o his_o own_o mouth_n i_o shall_v now_o show_v that_o this_o faith_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v erroneous_a but_o he_o have_v bring_v nothing_o to_o prove_v it_o true_a therefore_o i_o have_v nothing_o to_o answer_v the_o council_n of_o trent_n in_o the_o decree_n already_o report_v no_o 23._o say_v three_o thing_n viz._n first_o notimputation_n do_v not_o take_v away_o sin_n second_o sin_n be_v abolish_v and_o take_v away_o three_o the_o habit_n of_o grace_n do_v take_v away_o sin_n bellarmine_n bestow_v great_a pain_n to_o prove_v
shed_v upon_o the_o cross_n this_o answer_n of_o bishop_n jewel_n be_v full_a to_o the_o purpose_n and_o of_o no_o less_o authority_n than_o the_o catechism_n allege_v which_o be_v take_v in_o this_o sense_n we_o may_v safe_o conclude_v that_o our_o church_n be_v no_o friend_n to_o the_o real_a presence_n in_o those_o word_n of_o the_o catechism_n a_o three_o thing_n also_o be_v in_o his_o appeal_v pag._n 291._o thus_o set_v down_o both_o we_o and_o the_o papist_n confess_v this_o be_v my_o body_n and_o that_o be_v enough_o and_o contend_v mere_o about_o the_o manner_n how_o it_o be_v my_o body_n that_o be_v how_o the_o sacrament_n be_v make_v the_o flesh_n of_o christ_n gag_n page_n 256._o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n decree_v transubstantiation_n and_o we_o deny_v the_o same_o gag_n page_n 252._o which_o sentence_n by_o the_o course_n of_o the_o place_n where_o it_o be_v must_v be_v apply_v to_o the_o present_a purpose_n in_o this_o form_n they_o that_o agree_v in_o this_o sentence_n this_o be_v my_o body_n there_o be_v no_o cause_n why_o they_o shall_v be_v distract_v in_o the_o point_n of_o real_a presence_n but_o we_o and_o the_o papist_n agree_v in_o this_o sentence_n this_o be_v my_o body_n and_o contend_v mere_o about_o the_o manner_n how_o it_o be_v make_v the_o flesh_n of_o christ_n etc._n etc._n therefore_o we_o and_o the_o papist_n have_v no_o cause_n to_o be_v distract_v about_o the_o point_n of_o real_a presence_n that_o it_o be_v his_o purpose_n thus_o to_o dispute_v the_o place_n itself_o where_o that_o sentence_n stand_v will_v show_v where_o he_o bring_v the_o thing_n here_o conclude_v in_o the_o first_o place_n and_o then_o the_o word_n allege_v as_o a_o proof_n thereof_o and_o refer_v thereunto_o by_o this_o word_n see_v etc._n etc._n i_o will_v take_v my_o answer_n unto_o this_o from_o the_o same_o author_n and_o place_n page_z 236._o from_o whence_o i_o have_v my_o former_a viz._n the_o reverend_a bishop_n who_o word_n be_v these_o indeed_o the_o question_n between_o we_o this_o day_n be_v not_o of_o the_o letter_n or_o syllable_n of_o christ_n word_n for_o they_o be_v know_v and_o confess_v of_o either_o party_n but_o only_a of_o the_o sense_n and_o â—eaning_n of_o his_o word_n which_o be_v the_o uâ—ry_a pith_n and_o substance_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o he_o commit_v fraud_n against_o the_o law_n that_o sâ—â—ing_v the_o word_n of_o the_o law_n overthrow_v the_o mâ—â—ning_n if_o it_o be_v true_a that_o the_o only_a sense_n of_o christ_n word_n be_v that_o his_o body_n be_v real_o and_o fleshâ—â—â—_n the_o sacrament_n it_o be_v great_a wonder_n that_o 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o ancient_a doctor_n of_o the_o church_n can_v ever_o see_v it_o this_o answer_n be_v full_a to_o every_o point_n of_o mr._n mountagu_n his_o argument_n first_o he_o say_v they_o agree_v in_o word_n touch_v this_o sentence_n this_o be_v my_o body_n and_o so_o far_o he_o grant_v the_o assumption_n second_o the_o question_n be_v of_o the_o sense_n of_o those_o word_n and_o thereby_o deny_v the_o assumption_n and_o proposition_n too_o as_o if_o he_o shall_v say_v although_o they_o agree_v in_o word_n yet_o differ_v in_o the_o sense_n there_o be_v sufficient_a cause_n of_o distraction_n and_o dissent_v between_o they_o for_o the_o sense_n be_v the_o pith_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o he_o that_o overthrow_v the_o meaning_n corrupt_v the_o law_n 3_o he_o say_v they_o understand_v christ_n word_n of_o a_o real_a and_o fleshly_a presence_n of_o christ_n body_n which_o the_o bishop_n deny_v whereby_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o he_o put_v the_o difference_n between_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o we_o in_o this_o viz._n that_o they_o affirm_v a_o real_a presence_n we_o deny_v it_o and_o this_o do_v direct_o oppose_v the_o latter_a part_n of_o mr._n mountagu_n his_o reason_n that_o place_v the_o difference_n between_o they_o and_o we_o mere_o in_o the_o manner_n how_o the_o sacrament_n be_v make_v the_o flesh_n of_o christ_n which_o 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