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A45786
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A dialogue between A. and B. two plain countrey-gentlemen, concerning the times
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Irvine, Alexander, d. 1703.
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1694
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Wing I1050; ESTC R8342
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against_o grievance_n to_o pretend_v a_o most_o tender_a compassion_n for_o those_o that_o suffer_v they_o and_o a_o mighty_a zeal_n for_o have_v of_o they_o redress_v when_o yet_o it_o appear_v that_o those_o very_a grievance_n be_v chief_o owe_v to_o the_o pernicious_a counsel_n and_o mischievous_a contrivance_n of_o such_o perion_n as_o for_o that_o very_a purpose_n have_v be_v corrupt_v by_o such_o a_o pretender_n be_v such_o a_o masterpiece_n oâ—_n hypocrisy_n and_o dissimulation_n as_o i_o think_v none_o but_o a_o dutchman_n be_v capable_a of_o but_o why_o shall_v i_o insist_v â—o_o long_o on_o these_o thing_n let_v it_o be_v suppose_v that_o the_o grievance_n we_o lie_v under_o during_o k_o james_n reign_n be_v real_o as_o great_a as_o they_o who_o malicious_o aggravate_v they_o will_v make_v the_o world_n believe_v and_o that_o they_o be_v not_o in_o any_o measure_n to_o be_v impute_v to_o the_o ill_a conduct_n of_o his_o counselor_n and_o minister_n but_o be_v the_o effect_n of_o his_o own_o natural_a tempt_v and_o inclination_n even_o that_o can_v justify_v the_o measure_n that_o have_v be_v take_v to_o redress_v these_o grievance_n this_o bring_v we_o to_o the_o consideration_n of_o the_o second_o part_n of_o the_o former_a pretence_n namely_o that_o because_o of_o these_o grievance_n and_o male-administrations_a the_o estate_n of_o the_o realm_n do_v unanimous_o dethrone_v he_o in_o this_o be_v two_o thing_n to_o be_v examine_v first_o matter_n of_o fact_n second_o matter_n of_o right_n as_o or_o the_o matter_n of_o fact_n i_o must_v tell_v you_o that_o however_o confident_o mr._n johnson_n and_o they_o that_o adhere_v to_o he_o may_v affirm_v it_o there_o be_v nothing_o of_o truth_n in_o it_o the_o convention_n do_v not_o go_v that_o way_n to_o work_v so_o far_o be_v they_o from_o assume_v any_o power_n or_o authority_n over_o the_o king_n person_n so_o as_o to_o call_v he_o to_o a_o account_n and_o judicial_o to_o depose_v he_o that_o they_o do_v 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