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A85519 The grand concernments of England ensured: viz. liberty of conscience, extirpation of popery, defence of property, easing of taxes, advance of trade, soveraign powers of Parliaments, reformation of religion, laws and liberties, indempnity, settlement, by a constant succession of free Parliaments, the only possible expedient to preserve us from ruine or slavery. The objections, answered; but more largely, that of a senate. With a sad expostulation, and some smart rebukes to the Army. 1659 (1659) Wing G1492; Thomason E1001_6; ESTC R204729 70,399 77

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any orderly debate To which I return That such a number as cannot understand that cannot make out to one another the benefit of mankind are too many to make good the interest of mankind in away of reason and if in any particular they hit upon it t is more by hap then any good cunning Therefore I believe that so many and no more as may among themselves be well informed of their own and the peoples in crest being universally the same are the only men and number of men to preserve the interest of mankind When a fire breaks out t is the interest of the whole neighbourhood to quench it but they may be too many to be useful therefore the supernumeraries had better be at home that they be no hinderance That may be the interest of the whole Nation that doth not call for so great numbers to keep it on foot therefore those that may be well enough spared let them keep at home too many are troublesome and stand in one anothers light Why 1050 and no lesse to look to the interest of England besides 300 to be the light of England Or why the light of mankind must be separated from the interest of mankind is very dark to me If the one body be all eye where is its tasting and its feeling if the other be all lasting and feeling where is its seeing this is not altogether so good contrivance as where two half-blind Coachhorses are so placed that this may see on the one side and that on the other though they can scarce see each other their blinde sides being next together The people saith Mr. Harrington can feel but they cannot see well then the light of this Body is the eye that is the Senate if then the Eye be at Westminster and the Body be at St. Pauls Church for a little place cannot hold 1050 men I perswade my self this body must be full of darkness Why 1050 pray a lesse number was formerly thought enough to assert the interest of mankinde against the light of mankinde the Lords spiritual and temporal and the Judges to boot which was the interest of some men besides when yet the Commons were thought to have and were found to have the light of mankinde in them too yea and have so well asserted and made good the interest of mankinde against those lights and private interests that leaves no man great cause to except against their number Why 500 or thereabouts being equally distributed for elections according to the interest of every part of England should not as well preserve the interest of mankinde as 1050 especially when hereby the Body hath its eyes in its head hath in it self the light of mankind and the interest of makind can see and feel both I know not And unlesse we should put out our eyes because some say they that see best here worst sometimes and they that hear worst seebest oft times the losse of one sense being the increase of another and so because the Great Counsel is blinde it should feel the better or the Senate because it doth not feel so much must see the better unlesse this be good reason I am bound to think best of A single Assembly But stay The Senate is the light reason or learning of mankinde and how easie it is for reason and learning to delude sense let any one imagine It is true there are some things so sensibly certain that they are not to be over ruled by any shew of reason but reason seldome busieth its selfe about these nor are these the things that so frequently occur unto the consideration of our Representatives if these were the things there would be the lesse necessity for the light of mankinde the reason of a Senate being to debate hard matters things that are not so liable to sense This difficulty will yet remain Whether since Mr. Harrington saith a Senate alone will not be honest it be like to be ever the honester hereby while by their light of reason and learning it will be no hard matter in many things to dazle the weak sight of that vast Animal if both parties do at all agree whereby the benefit to result will be this only that iniquity be established by a Law by a more seeming or pretended reason and interest Sense doth not much foresee the benefit of a Law to be made though it feels the good of a Law that hath been sometime in force therefore it will be no hard matter for seeming reason to seduce common sense This great Counsel wherein it may be some may be found to have scarce common sense had need to be well instructed better then a Senate can inform them by an Oration or Preachment where every ones tale is good till anothers is told or else they are like enough to do they know not what for I doubt me every man hath not a light within him to a certain knowledge of good or evill the interest or prejudice of the State that without any more adoe we should be left to do as God shall direct us let me put a case 1050 are chosen for the Great Councel and 300 for the Senate according to Mr. Harringtons free way of Election for fear of fixing any in opposition The 300 propose That CHARLES STUART be made King of England I may suppose this for Mr. Harrington saith in effect The Senate will not be honest if they can chuse and a King might not do much amisse with these two Counsels well what will the sense and interest of the 1050 say to this supposing there must be no debating this businesse there but every one must put their mindes in a box without telling tales there be some in the world that would lay two to one their sense would soon inform them that it is their interest to make him King I leave the Reader to a free judgement once more the 300 would seem wiser and in their grave judgements propound to the 1050 to settle some Sectary as we call them Lord Archon and Sole Legislator of England and signifie to them that it is the National interest so to do without debating the matter but away presently to the Balloting box I conceive their sense would hardly convince them that either the one or the other were their interest the sense of people in many things is a kinde of prepossession they must be soundly convinced here if they believe any thing but what they thought before be it true or false but in other things they are more facile and ductile and not so hard to be imposed on If they are prepossessed with an error then the work is done to hand 't is but proposing and 't is presently resolved If they are prepossess●d with their true Interest if the contrary be not of necessity to the design of the Senate it may lie still till better leasure but if it be of absolute necessity I hope it will be held fit that this be introduced
us what our most wanton wishes can ask as our Author thinks fit to abuse us but we are not so easily moved to believe against sense nor can be perswaded that the honesty of his person and the sameness of his Interest with the Nation which last proves a little disputable it should seem by this discourse of both which my Author makes so great brags would be good security to embolden us to entrust him with dispensing to us these unvaluable blessings that God hath givey us by the mediation of our Swords since we are of full age and know how to manage them our selves to our better advantage but should we distrust our selves to be such infants as must call in a Guardian it would be no great wisdom to make a bargain and sale in Trust and put the price of our all into his hands in his name to be kept for us who believes himself Heir to his Fathers Prerogatives and would make no bones to cry all his own possession being eleven points of the Law it is something to say he is Fathers one Son and must take his revenge upon Parliaments for the good turns they have done his Father and him and the old Charles being in rod letters in the Cavaliers Callender as the best of Kings we should wrong his memory to hope better of the Child then the Parent who hath to an hair trod in his Fathers track where ever he could set his shooe and discovered his good affection to our Parliaments both in his Fathers time and since he pretended to be Charles the Second being as perfectly fitted to rise up in his Fathers stead as if he had been spit out of his mouth and they who so vigorously advise for a treaty with him hoping to kill him with kindness to overcome evil with good to court him into this Throne by such smooth language as those 1 King 12.4 Thy Father made our yoke grievous now therefore make thou the grievous service of thy Father and his heavy yoke which he put upon us lighter and we will serve thee will finde although he ask counsel of the Old men that stood before his Father in his life time who will advise him as vers 7. If thou wilt be a servant unto this people this day and wilt serve them and answer them and speak good words to them then they will be thy servants for ever Yet notwithstanding after three dayes a short times breathing after consulting with his Young men he will most certainly do though it may be beforehand will not so plainly deal with us as did Rehoboam with the men of Israel vers 13. And the King answered the people roughly and forsook the Old mens counsel that they gave him and spake to them after the counsel of the Young men saying My Father made your yoke heavy and I will adde to your yoke my Father also chastised you with Whips but I will chastise you with Scorpions Whosoever thinks it their benefit to quit the Priviledges of Parliament for the Prerogatives of an Hereditary Monarchy shall do well to believe it their interest to call him in Yea routing of Parliaments is found so absolute a requisite to Prerogative and so really the interest and concernment of a Single Person that the Old Lord Protector who swore so solemnly to preserve the Laws of the Land made no stick but broke those Parliaments in pieces which he called to serve his turn if they could not say the Lesson which was taken out for them and thus it will be to the end of the Chapter if care be not had and they say prevention is the best physick Seventhly Settlement is the common interest of the Nation This is that every ones wishes zealously pretend unto but few take the right course to procure and therefore many being wearied out with expectation fear we shall never see a Settlement that no way can be found out to give a rational content to all parties among us that can be brought into practice and therefore have doomed England to destruction because a house or Kingdom divided against it self cannot stand because we have been so many years labouring under distraction and emptied from Vessel to Vessel they fear it will never be otherwise but these are their fears not their desires Every one whose business is not to fish in troubled waters heartily wishing a Settlement in these Nations which would be so much the more welcome to us as the want of it so long hath made us lament after it It would be a great rejoycing to know where we should rest that we might sit under our own Vines and Fig-trees without being alarumed with this Insurrection and that Change of Government this Oath and the other contrary Engagement enough to make a wife man mad but how this may be accommodated will fall in afterward it shall suffice here to note how unreasonable it is to hope for a Settlement by calling in the late Kings Son For where seeds of Disturbance and Discontents are universally sown which though now more hidden and underground yet will soon appear after a little expectation there no settlement can be hoped for This then is made good by consequence it having been manifest how he must needs trample upon the consciences of Religious people which can but little oblige them give encouragement to Papists who will be continually plotting to disturb our peace Entrench upon Property which will create him not a few enemies Encrease Taxes which are the great make bate at this day Discourage Trade which will prepare men to raise their fortunes upon the ruines of the publique and that his Prerogative will clash with the Priviledges of Parliament which if ever he grant us another Parliament would most probably beget us another 20 years Distraction If this then produce a Settlement of these Nations it must be acknowledged a wonder is wrought for us being a means not only very unlikely but most contrary to its end which only the hand of Omnipotency can over-rule So that in all appearance should he acquire the Government of these Nations it would be too hot to hold and we should be farther off from Settlement then now we are From the whole I conclude That the Interest before mentioned under Seven Heads are Indispensible That the bringing in the late Kings Son is imcompatible therewith Both which are sufficiently cleared from any doubt therefore it is by no means adviseable to call him in What should I instance in Reformation of Religion Establishing the good and wholesome Laws of the Land which concern the Community or Indempnifying irregular actions Neither of which do require the application of such a desperate experiment although some merciless State Quacksalvers make this prescription and thereby keep our wounds still bleeding and distort us limb from limb to practice their skill upon us and make a triall upon their miserable patients till we swoon away and die under their clutches when some Kitchin physick