Relatives and if an Act of Naturalization should thereby make a man a natural Subject the same Subject would have two natural Soveraigns one when he was born the other when naturalized which he can never have more then two Natural Fathers or two Natural Mothers except the Soveraigns be subordinate the Inferior holding his Kingdome as Liege Homager from the Superiour And perhaps in the Case of Severing the Kingdoms Calvins Case 27. as Sir Edward Coke saith Nor can an Act of Parliament in one place take away the natural subjection due to another Prince for want of power And the Law of England being That an Antenatus shall not inherit because an Alien without an Act of Parliament making him none The fiction of an Act in another Kingdom to which England never consented shall not alter the law here because he is made in Ireland as if born there If there were an Act of Parliament in England That persons naturalized in Ireland or Scotland should be no Aliens in England no man thinks that thereby Scotland or Ireland could naturalize a man in terminis in England But a man naturalized there would by consequent be naturalized in England because the law of England did warrant that consequent But to say That a man naturalized in Ireland is not directly naturalized in England but by consequent when the question is Whether one naturalized in Ireland be thereby naturalized in England is to beg for a proof that which is the question Therefore it must be first proved That there is a Law of England to warrant that consequent Inconveniences The Law of England is That no Alien can be naturalized but by Act of Parliament with the assent of the whole Nation 1. Now if this naturalization in Ireland should be effectual for England then a whole Nation should become Natives in England without Act of Parliament of what Country Religion or Manners soever they be by an Act of Ireland 2. If the Parliament of England should refuse to naturalize a number of men or Nation as dangerous or incommodious to the Kingdom yet they might be naturalized whether the Houses of Parliament would or not by an Act of Ireland 3. By this invention the King may naturalize in England without an Act of Parliament as well as he may Denizen for if the Parliament of Ireland enact That the King by Letters Patents shall naturalize in Ireland then they so naturalized in Ireland by Patent will be naturalized in England by consequent so they may enact the Deputy or Council of Ireland to naturalize 4. If an Alien hath Issue an Alien Son and the Father be denizen'd in England and after hath a Son born in England the Law hath been taken That the youngest Son shall inherit the Fathers Land Co. Litr. f. 8. a. Doct Stud. l. 1. Cr. 17 Jac. f. 539. Godfrey Dixons C. So is Sir Edward Coke Litr. f. 8. a. and other Books yet if the elder be naturaliz'd in Ireland the Estate which the youngest hath by the Law of England will be plucked from him Having thus opened the Inconveniences consequent to this Irish Naturalization the next is That Judges must judge according as the Law is not as it ought to be But then the Premisses must be clear out of the established Law and the Conclusion well deduc'd before great Inconveniences be admitted for Law But if Inconveniences necessarily follow out of the Law only the Parliament can cure them 1. I shall begin with the admitted Doctrine of Calvin's Case By that Case He that is born a Subject of the King of England in another Dominion than England is no Alien in England So the Scots born when the King of Scots was King of England are no Aliens those born before in Scotland are Therefore Nicholas Ramsey who is not born the Kings Subject of Ireland must be an Alien in England whose Law by the Rule of that Case makes only Subjects born and not made of another Dominion not to be Aliens in England 2. It is agreed to my hand That an Alien naturalized at this day in Scotland remains an Alien in England notwithstanding 3. By the Doctrine of Calvin's Case a natural born Subject to the Kings person of a Forraign Dominion is not priviledg'd in England from being an Alien else the Antenati of Scotland were priviledg'd for they are natural born Subjects to the Kings person as well as the Postnati 4. It stands not with the Resolution of that Case That the natural born Subjects of the Dominions belonging to the Crown of England qua such should be no Aliens in England which was the principal matter to have been discuss'd but was not in Calvin's Case and chiefly concerns the point in question The Case relied on to justifie the Iudgment in Calvins Case are several Authorities That the King of England's Subjects formerly were never accounted Aliens in England though they were all out of the Realm of England and many within the Realm of France But all these are admitted in that Case as most of them were Dominions belonging to the Crown of England and if so Of Normandy Brittain Aquitain Anjou Gascoigne Guien Calais Jersey and Gernsey Isle of Man Berwick and other Parts of Scotland Ireland Tourney c. What Inference could be made for the Resolution of Calvin's Case That because the Kings natural Subjects of Dominions belonging to the Crown of England as these did were no Aliens in England Therefore that Subjects of a Dominion not belonging to the Crown as the Postnati of Scotland are should be no Aliens in England Non sequitur Therefore it is for other reason then because natural Subjects of Dominions belonging to the Crown of England they were no Aliens by the meaning of that Resolution And the Adequate Reason being found out why they are not Aliens will determine the point in question 1. It was not because they were natural Subjects to him that was King of England for then the Antenati of Scotland would be no Aliens they being natural Subjects to him that is King of England as well as the Postnati 2. It was not because they were natural Subjects of Dominions belonging to the Crown of England for then the Postnati would be Aliens in England for they are not Subjects of a Dominion belonging to the Crown of England 3. It remains then the Reason can be no other but because they were born under the same Liegeance with the Subjects of England which is the direct reason of that Resolution in Calvins Case Calvins Case f. 18. b. a. The words are The time of the birth is of the essence of a Subject born for he cannot be a Subject to the King of England that is to be no Alien unless at the time of his birth he was under the Liegeance and Obedience of the King that is of England And that is the reason that Antenati in Scotland for that at the time of their birth they were not under the
Proprietor of Goods chargeable with the Kings Duty is to pay or agree for the Duty with the Customers before the unshipping or landing of the Goods else they are forfeited Et sunt alia quaedam quae in nullius bonis esse dicuntur sicut Wâ—eccum Maris grossus piscis c. Bract. l. 3. de Coron f. 120. c. 3. n. 4. Constables C. 5. Rep. f. 108. b. But wreck'd Goods are cast on Land and consequently landed having no Owner or Proprietor and therefore the Duty impossible to be paid or agreed for before their landing and when so landed and not before the Law makes the King or Lord of the Mannor their Proprietor but not fully neither until after a year and a day allowed to the first Owners to claim them if any such be by Stat. Westminster the First c. 4. Whence it follows That wrecks should be rather forfeited to the King which is not pretended as Goods landed the Kings Duty not paid or agreed for then seised until payment were according to the Act. 3. By this Clause Imported Goods intended to be charg'd by the Act are Goods to be brought from the parts beyond the Seas And therefore also wreck'd Goods are not to pay the Duty for the Native Commodities of the Kingdome Shipwrackt in their passage by Sea for Exportation may be Imported into the Realm as wreck yet never brought from the parts beyond the Sea as the Clause intends Goods charg'd should be 4. Goods cast into the Sea to unburthen a Ship in a storm and never intended for Merchandise are wreck when cast on shoar without any Shipwrack Bract. l. 2. f. 41. b. 5. Goods derelicted that is deserted by the Owners and cast into the Sea which happens upon various occasions as coming from infected Towns or Places and for many other respects will be wreck if cast on shoar afterwards though never purpos'd for Merchandise Bract. l. 2. f. 41. b. n. 3. Constables C. 5. Rep. Bract. l. 3. de Coron c. 3. n. 5 f. 120. a. more fully But Goods cast overboard to lighten a Ship are not by Bracton nor from him in Sir H. Constables Case esteemed Goods derelicted which is a Question not throughly examined Si autem ea mente ut nolit esse Dominus aliud erit per Bract. But by all the Clauses of the Act Goods Imported into the Realm as Merchandise only are to pay the Kings Subsidy therefore not wreck Imported and not as Merchandise 6. If a Law were made That Horses and Oxen brought to Market to be sold should pay the King a Poundage of their value and a Horse or Ox coming to Market happen to stray and be seis'd in a Mannor that had Strayes and there us'd according to the Law for Strayes until a year and a day were past without claim of the Owner whereby the property of the Horse or Ox was alter'd and the Lord of the Mannor had gain'd it will any man say Poundage should be paid for this Horse or Ox to the King for being brought to Market to be sold and the Case is the same or harder to pay Poundage for wreck It remains that some Objections be clear'd First It is said That by fraud of the Merchant or his Agents and the Lord of the Mannor Goods not shipwrackt at all may be cast overboard so as to be cast on shoar on the Mannor by the Tide and so the Kings Duty avoided by confederacy 1. This Supposal is remote and cannot be of some wrecks possible as of wrecks of derelicted Goods or of Goods cast into the Sea to unburthen a Ship 2. If the fraud appear there is no wreck and the King will be righted But to charge a legal property which the Lord of the Mannor hath in a wreck with payments because a fraud may be possible but appears not will destroy all property for what appears not to be must be taken in Law as if it were not The Second Objection is That the Kings Officers by usage have had in several Kings times the Duties of Tunnage and Poundage from wrecks 1. We desired to see ancient Presidents of that usage but could see but one in the time of King James and some in the time of the last King which are so new that they are not considerable 2. Where the penning of a Statute is dubious long usage is a just medium to expound it by For Jus Norma loquendi is govern'd by usage And the meaning of things spoken or written must be as it hath constantly been receiv'd to be by common Acceptation But if usage hath been against the obvious meaning of an Act of Parliament by the Vulgar and Common Acceptation of the Words then it is rather an Oppression of those concern'd than an Exposition of the Act especially as the usage may be circumstanc'd As for instance The Customers seize a mans Goods under pretence of a Duty against Law and thereby deprive him of the use of his Goods until he regains them by Law which must be by engaging in a Suit with the King rather than do so he is content to pay what is demanded for the King By this usage all the Goods in the Land may be charg'd with the Duties of Tonnage and Poundage for when the Concern is not great most men if put to it will rather pay a little wrongfully than free themselves from it over-chargeably And in the present Case The genuine meaning of the words and purpose of the Act is not according to the pretended usage but against it as hath been shew'd Therefore usage in this Case weighs not The Third Objection is from the words Imported and brought into the Realm or Dominions thereof and that wrecks are Goods and Merchandises imported into the Realm and therefore chargeable with the Duty There are no Goods as hath been said but may in a sense be termed Merchandise because all Goods may possibly be sold and when sold or intended to be they are Merchandise and in that sense wreck'd Goods are Merchandise and so are all Goods else It is also true That the Goods in question are by the Verdict found to be shipped in Forraign parts as Merchandise but not intended to be brought into England but to be carried to some other Forraign parts so are the words But by the words or some other Forraign parts they might be intended to be carried as Merchandise into some Forraign parts which are of the Kings Dominions or of the Dominions of the Kingdom of England for the Act mentions both And the Act limits the Duty not upon Goods in the former sense but upon Goods brought by way of Merchandise by Natives or Aliens into any the Kings Dominions which must be intended his Dominions as of the Crown of England for nothing could be enacted here concerning his Dominions not of the Crown of England But the Verdict is uncertain Whether they were to be carried to Forraign parts of the Dominions of
by the Verdict 7 Car. afore the Act by which it is found he died seised of the Rectory of Kingston in Reversion and of the Advowson of the Vicaridge and died without Heir and that the same escheated to the King and if all the lands in question were held of the King it being found he died without Heir the proviso will save all to the King 3. Whether Nicholas Ramsey under whom the Plaintiffs claim be the person who had title to the lands in question if any had Because 1. The death of Robert the elder Brother is not sufficiently found before the Act of Naturalization for then he and not Nicholas was heir to John 2. Because if Robert the elder were dead before yet he left Issue three Daughters who were naturalized as well as Nicholas by the Act and are the heirs to the Earl being the Issue of his elder Brother If Robert had died after the Irish Act made this Verdict had been as true as now it is Therefore it is not sufficient to find him dead before the Act. Et Juratores ulterius dicunt quod praedictus Robertus filius primogenitus natu maximus praedicti Roberti patris postea obiit tempore mortis suae habens relinquens tres filias de corpore ipsius Roberti filii legitime procreatas viz. Margaret Isabel Janam Alienigenas natas in Regno Scotiae ante accessionem praedict Quae quidem Margaret Isabella Jana primo die Octobris Anno Regni Domini Caroli nuper Regis Angliae primi quarto decimo in plena vita fuerant habent exitus de carum corporibus exeuntes modo superstites in plena vita existentes apud Kingston super Thames praedict As to the second part in the Case of Aliens nothing interrupts the common course of Descents but Defectus Nationis as Bracton terms it Therefore that being taken away by naturalization they shall inherit as if it had not been and then the eldest Brothers Issue had inherited before the second Brother 1. It is admitted and will easily appear That one naturalized in Scotland since the Union cannot inherit in England 2. Ireland then differs from Scotland in a common difference with Gernsey Jersey Isle of Man Berwick and all the English Plantations for that they are Dominions belonging to the Crown of England which Scotland is not 3. If this difference which was never discussed in Calvin's Case alter not the Case from a naturalizing in Scotland it remains whether by Act of Parliament of England though not extant Ireland in this matter be not differenc'd from other Dominions belonging to England 1. He that is priviledg'd by the law of England to inherit there must be a Subject of the Kings 2. He must be more than a local Subject either in the Dominion of England or out of the Dominion of England for meer Aliens when locally in England or any other Dominions of the Kings are local Subjects 3. He must be otherwise a Subject than any Grant or Letters Patents of the King can make him 7 Rep. Calvins C. f. 7. a. 36 H. 6. Tit. Deniz Br. 9. Therefore a Denizen of England by Letters Patents for life in tayl or in fee whereby he becomes a Subject in regard of his person will not enable him to inherit in England but according to his Denization will enable his Children born in England to inherit him and much less will his Denization in any other Dominion Whence it follows That no Laws made in any other Dominion acquired by Conquest or new Plantation by the King's Lieutenants Substitutes Governours or People there by vertue of the King's Letters Patents can make a man inherit in England who could not otherwise inherit For what the King cannot do by his Letters Patents no delegated power under him can do by his Letters Patents It follows likewise upon the same reason That no tenure of Land by Homage Fealty or other Service in any other Dominion of the Kings acquired by Conquest or otherwise by any Grant or Letters Patents can make a man inherit in England who could not otherwise inherit Calvins Case f. 6. b. for that is not Homagium ligeum but Feodale as is rightly distinguished 4. A man born a Subject to one that is King of England cannot therefore inherit in England for then the Antenati in Scotland had inherited in England they were born Subjects to King James who was King of England but not born when he was King of England 5. A Subject born in any Dominion belonging to the Crown of England is inheritable in England as well as native Englishmen So the natural born Subjects of Ireland Gernsey Jersey Berwick and all the English Plantations inherit but the specifique reason of their inheriting in England is not because they are born in Dominions belonging to the Crown of England for if so none could inherit who wanted that and then the Postnati of Scotland should not inherit for Scotland is not a Dominion belonging to the Crown of England but to the King of England It remains then according to the Resolution and Reasons of Calvin's Case That the specifique and adequate cause why the Kings Subjects of other his Dominions than England do inherit in England is because they are born his natural Subjects as the English are he being actually King of England at the time of their birth when their subjection begins Cok. Rep. Calvins Case and so are born Liege-men to the same King But then since all Liegeance and Subjection are acts and obligations of Law for a man owes no liegeance excluding all Civil Law but a man is said a natural Subject because his Subjection begins with his birth that is as soon as he can be subject and a King is said to be a mans natural Prince because his Protection begins as soon as the Subject can be protected and in the same sense that a Country where a man is born is his natural Country or the Language he first speaks is his natural Tongue why should not an Act of Law making a man as if he had been born a Subject work the same effect as his being born a Subject which is an effect of law 1. The Reason is That naturalization is but a fiction of Law and can have effect but upon those consenting to that fiction Therefore it hath the like effect as a mans Birth hath where the Law-makers have power but not in other places where they have not Naturalizing in Ireland gives the same effect in Ireland as being born there so in Scotland as being born there but not in England which consents not to the fiction of Ireland or Scotland nor to any but her own 2. No fiction can make a natural Subject for he is correlative to a natural Prince and cannot have two natural Soveraigns but may have one Soveraign as a Queen Soveraign and her Husband in two persons no more than two natural Fathers or two natural
Mothers But if a fiction could make a natural Subject he hath two natural Princes one where he was born and the other where naturalized 3. If one naturalized in Ireland should in law make him naturally born there then one naturalized in Scotland after the Vnion should make him naturally born there consequently inheritable in England which is not contended 4. A naturalized person in a Dominion belonging to England is both the King 's Subject when he is King of England and inheritable in that his Dominion when naturaliz'd So the Antenati of Scotland are the King of England's Subjects when he is King of England and inheritable in that Dominion of his yet cannot inherit in England and being his Subjects before doth not make them less his Subjects when King of England Or if it did Nicholas Ramsey before he was naturalized in Ireland and became there a Subject to the King of England was a Subject in Scotland of the Kings There are four ways by which men born out of England may inherit in England besides by the Statute of Edward the Third De Natis ultra Mare 1. If they be born in any Dominion of the Kings when he is actually King of England 2. If they be made inheritable by Act of Parliament in England as by naturalization there 3. If they be born Subjects to a Prince holding his Kingdom or Territories as Homager and Liegeman to the King of England Calvins Case f. 21. b. during the time of his being Homager So the Welch were inheritable in England before 12 Ed. 1. though Subjects to the Princes of Wales who were Homagers to the King of England So were the Scotch in Edward the First 's time during the King of Scotlands Homage to him and to other Kings of England as long as it continued And that is the reason of the Case in 14. of Eliz. in the Lord Dyer Dyer 14 Eliz. f. 304. pl. 51. where a Scotch-man being arraign'd for a Rape of a Girl under Seven years of Age and praying his Tryal per medietatem Linguae because he was a Scot born it was denied him by the Opinion of the Iudges of both Benches for that among other reasons a Scot was never accounted an Alien here but rather a Subject So are the words of the Book But they did not consider that the Homage was determined then as it was consider'd after in Calvin's Case when only the Postnati of Scotland were admitted inheritable in England Vpon the same ground one Magdulph Subject to the King of Scots appeal'd from his Iudgment to Edward the First Pl. Parl. 21 E. 1. f. 152. 157. ut Superiori Domino Scotiae But this is to be understood where such Prince is Homager Subjectionis and not only Infeodationis for another King may hold of the King of England an Island or other Territory by Tenure and not be his Subject 4. If the King of England enter with his Army hostilly the Territories of another Prince and any be born within the places possessed by the Kings Army and consequently within his Protection such person is a Subject born to the King of England if from Parents Subjects and not Hostile 5 Eliz. Dyer f. 224. pl. 29. So was it resolved by the Iustices 5 Eliz. That one born in Tourney in France and conquered by Henry the Eighth being a Bastard between persons that were of the King's liegeance was enabled to purchase and implead within the Realm and was the same as if a French-man and French-woman should come into England and have a Son born there The like law if he had been born of French Parents in Tourney for it was part of the Dominions belonging to England pro tempore as Calice was Those under the King's Power as King of England in another Prince his Dominions are under his Laws Fleta l. 2. c. 3. 14 E. 1. King Edward the First being at Paris 14 E. 1. one Ingelram de Nogent stole silver Dishes in the King's House there and after dispute about his Tryal with the King of France and his Council he was convicted before the Steward of the King of England's House and executed though the Felony was done in France in Aliero Regno Fleta l. 2. c. 3. 12 E. 1. So Edmund de Murdak brought an Appeal in Gascoigne coram Seneschallo Hospitii Regis Angliae against one William de Lesnes of Robbery done to him 12 E. 1. infra metas Hospitii Regis infra quas invenit ipsum And the Defendant non potuit appellum illud per exceptionem alterius Regni declinare 1. Regularly who once was an Alien to England cannot be inheritable there but by Act of Parliament which is Common Experience But Ramsey was an Alien to England being Antenatus of Scotland and therefore cannot inherit here but by Act of Parliament If it be said there is an Exception to that viz. unless he be naturalized in Ireland that Exception must be well prov'd not suppos'd For the Question being Whether one naturalized in Ireland do thereby become as a Native of England must not be resolv'd by saying That he doth become as a Native of England otherwise it is prov'd only by begging the Question 2. The being no Alien in England belongs not to any made the King of Englands Subject by Act of Law when he is King of England but to such as are born so Natural legitimation respecteth actual Obedience to the Soveraign at the time of the birth Calvins Case f. 27. for the Antenati remain Aliens because they were born when there were several Kings of the several Kingdoms not because they are not by act of law afterwards become Subjects to the King of England by the Union of the Crowns But he that is naturaliz'd in Scotland or Ireland is not a Subject born to the King of England but made by a subsequent Act in law 3. And chiefly the manner of subjection of a Stranger naturaliz'd in Scotland or Ireland doth exactly agree with that of the Antenatus and not of the Postnatus For 1. The Antenatus was another Prince his Subject before he was the King of Englands 2. The Antenatus might have been an Enemy to England by a war between the several Kings before the Vnion So a Stranger naturalized in Scotland or Ireland was the natural Subject of some other Prince necessarily before he was naturaliz'd and then might have been an Enemy to the King of England by a war between his natural Soveraign and the King of England before he was naturalized But the Postnatus was never subject to any before he was the King of Englands nor ever in possibility of being an enemy to England both which are the properties of subjection in the native English Subject and is the reason why the Postnatus in England is as the Natives of England No fiction of Law can make a man a Natural Subject that is not for a Natural Subject and a Natural Prince are
Liegeance and Obedience of the King of England are Aliens born in respect of the time of their birth The time of his birth is chiefly to be considered for he cannot be a Subject born of one Kingdom that was born under the Liegeance of a King of another Kingdom albeit afterwards one Kingdom descend to the King of the other Therefore Ramsey being not under the Liegeance of the King of England at the time of his birth must still continue an Alien though he were naturalized in Ireland Notwithstanding all this it may be urg'd A person naturalized in England is the same as if he had been born in England and a person naturalized in Ireland is the same as if he had been born in Ireland But a person born in Ireland is the same as if he had been Obj. 1 born or naturalized in England Therefore a person naturalized in Ireland is the same as if he had been born or naturalized in England This seems subtile and concluding Answ For Answer I say That the same Syllogism may be made of a person naturalized in Scotland after the Vnion viz. A person naturalized in England is the same with a person born in England and a person naturalized in Scotland after the Vnion is the same with a person born in Scotland after the Vnion But a person born in Scotland after the Union is the same with a person born or naturalized in England Therefore a person naturalized in Scotland after the Union is the same with a person born or naturalized in England Yet it is agreed That a person naturalized in Scotland since the Union is no other than an Alien in England Therefore the same Conclusion should be made of one naturalized in Ireland To differ these two Cases it may be said That the naturalizing Obj. 2 of a person in Scotland can never appear to England because we cannot write to Scotland to certifie the Act of Naturalizing as we may to Ireland out of the Chancery and as was done in the present Case in question as by the Record appears This is a difference but not to the purpose and then it is the same as no difference For I will ask by way of Supposition Admit an Act of Parliament were made in England for clearing all Questions of this kind That all persons inheritable in any Dominion whatsoever whereof the King of England was King whether naturalized or Subjects born should be no Aliens in England it were then evident by the Law That a naturalized Subject of Scotland were no Alien in England yet the same Question would then remain as now doth How he should appear to be naturalized because the Chancery could not write to Scotland as it can to Ireland to certifie the Act of Naturalizing Answ 1 The fallacy of the Syllogism consists in this It is true that a person naturalized in Ireland is the same with a person born in Ireland that is by the Law of Ireland But when you assume That a person born in Ireland is the same with a person born or naturalized in England that is not by the Law of Ireland but by the Law of England And then the Syllogism will have four terms in it and conclude nothing Answ 2.3 But to answer the difference taken there are many things whereof the Kings Courts sometimes ought to be certified which cannot be certified by Certiorari or any other ordinary Writ 42 E. 3. f. 2. b. An Act of Parliament of Scotland may be evidence as a Sentence of Divorce or Deprivation and Forraign Laws for raising or abasing Mony or Customes upon accompt between Merchants but not as Records In the Case of the Lord Beaumond 42 E. 3. a Question grew Whether one born in Ross in Scotland were within the Kings Liegeance because part of Scotland then was and part not in his Liegeance the Court knew not how to proceed until Thorpe gave this Rule That doubtless the King had a Roll what parts of Scotland were in his Liegeance what not upon the Treaty or Conclusion made that therefore they must address themselves to the King to have that certified The like may now happen of Virginia Surenam or other places part of which are in the Kings Liegeance part not So the King hath or may have Rolls of all naturalized Subjects and upon petition to him where the occasions require it may cause the matter in his name to be certified The like may happen upon emergent Questions upon Leagues or Treaties to which there is no common access but by the Kings permission For illustration a feign'd Case is as good as a Case in fact Suppose a Law in Ireland 5 El. c. 4. f. 957 like that of 5. of the Queen That no man should set up Shop in Dublin unless he had serv'd as an Apprentice to the Trade for Seven years and suppose a Law in England That whosoever had served Seven years as an Apprentice in Dublin might set up Shop in London If by a particular Act of Parliament in Ireland J. S. be enabled to set up Shop in Dublin as if he had serv'd an Apprentiship for Seven years by this fiction he is enabled in Ireland to set up but not in London unless he have really served for Seven years as the Law in England requires Considerations That an Act of Parliament of Ireland should so operate as to effect a thing which could not by the Laws of England be done without an Act of Parliament in England regularly seems so strange that it is suppos'd an Act of Parliament of England did first impower the doing of it though it be not extant by an Act of Parliament The Argument then is 1. A man is naturalized in Ireland and thereby no Alien in England which could not lawfully be done without an Act of Parliament in England to impower the doing it Which in effect is to say a thing was done which could not lawfully be done without an Act of Parliament to warrant it Ergo it being done there was an Act of Parliament to warrant it 2. This Supposition seems rather true because other things relating to Ireland and admitted to be Law could not be but by Act of Parliament in England yet no such Act is extant that is that a Writ of Error lies in the Kings Bench to reverse a Judgment given in the Kings Bench in Ireland 3. That this must be by Act of Parliament not by Common Lew because such a Writ did not lye in Wales or Calais at Common Law to reverse an Error there Still the Argument is no better then before Some things are of known Law through many successions of Ages which could not commence without an Act of Parliament which is not extant Therefore a thing wholly new not warranted by any Testimony of former time because it cannot be lawful without an Act of Parliament must be suppos'd without other proof to be lawful by an Act of Parliament If the lawfulness of any
eas in omnibus sequantur In cujus c. T. R. apud Wadestocks ix die Septembris Out of the Close Rolls of King Henry the Third his Time Clause 1 H. 3. dorso 14. The Kings thanks to G. de Mariscis Justice of Ireland The King signifies that himself and other his Lieges of Ireland should enjoy the Liberties which he had granted to his Lieges of England and that he will grant and confirm the same to them Clause 3. H. 3. m. 8. part 2. The King writes singly to Nicholas Son of Leonard Steward of Meth and to Nicholas de Verdenz and to Walter Purcell Steward of Lagenia and to Thomas the son of Adam and to the King of Connage and to Richard de Burgh and to J. Saint John Treasurer and to the other Barons of the Exchequer of Dublin That they be intendant and answerable to H. Lord Arch-bishop of Dublin as to the Lord the King's Keeper and Bailiff of the Kingdome of Ireland as the King had writ concerning the same matter to G. de Mariscis Justice of Ireland Clause 5. H. 3. m. 14. The King writes to his Justice of Ireland That whereas there is but a single Justice itinerant in Ireland which is said to be dissonant from the more approved custome in England for Reasons there specified two more Justices should be associated to him the one a Knight the other a Clerk and to make their Circuits together according to the Custome of the Kingdom of England Witness c. The Close Roll. 5 H. 3. m. 6. Dorso The King makes a Recital That though he had covenanted with Geoffrey de Mariscis That all Fines and other Profits of Ireland should be paid unto the Treasure and to other Bailiffs of the Kings Exchequer of Dublin yet he receiv'd all in his own Chamber and therefore is removed by the King from his Office Whereupon the King by advise of his Council of England establisheth that H. Arch-bishop of Ireland be Keeper of that Land till further order And writes to Thomas the son of Anthony to be answerable and intendant to him After the same manner it is written to sundry Irish Kings and Nobles there specially nominated Clause 7. H. 3. m. 9. The King writes to the Arch-bishop of Dublin his Justice of Ireland to reverse a Judgment there given in a Case concerning Lands in Dalkera between Geoffrey de Mariscis and Eve his wife Plaintiffs and Reignald Talbott Tenant By the Record of the same Plea returned into England the Judgment is reversed upon these two Errors The first because upon Reignald's shewing the Charter of King John the King's Father concerning the same Land in regard thereof desiring peace it was denyed him The second Because the Seisin was adjudged to the said Geoffrey and Eve because Reynald calling us to warranty had us not to warranty at the day set him by the Court which was a thing impossible for either Geoffrey or the Court themselves to do our Court not being above us to summon us or compel us against our will Therefore the King writes to the Justice of Ireland to re-seise Reynald because he was disseised by Erroneous Judgment Clause 28. H. 3. m. 7. The King writes to M. Donenald King of Tirchonill to aid him against the King of Scots Witness c. The like Letters to other Kings and Nobles of Ireland Clause 40. E. 3. m. 12. Dorso The King takes notice of an illegal proceeding to Judgment in Ireland Ordered to send the Record and Process into England It was objected by one of my Brothers That Ireland received not the Laws of England by Act of Parliament of England but at the Common Law by King John's Charter If his meaning be that the Fact was so I agree it but if he mean they could not receive them by Act of Parliament of England as my Brother Maynard did conjecturally inferr for his purpose then I deny my Brothers Assertion for doubtless they might have received them by Act of Parliament And I must clear my Brother Maynard from any mention of an Union as was discoursed of England and Ireland Nor was it at all to his purpose If any Union other than that of a Provincial Government under England had been Ireland had made no Laws more than Wales but England had made them for Ireland as it doth for Wales As for the Judgment Obj. One of my Brothers made a Question Whether George Ramsey the younger Brother inheriting John Earl of Holdernes before the naturalization of Nicholas Whether Nicholas as elder Brother being naturalized should have it from him Doubtless he should if his Naturalizing were good He saith the Plaintiff cannot have Iudgment because a third person by this Verdict hath the Title Answ If a Title appear for the King the Court ex Officio ought to give Iudgment for him though no party But if a man have a prior Possession and another enters upon him without Title I conceive the priority of Possession is a good Title against such an Entry equally when a Title appears for a third that is no party as if no Title appear'd for a third But who is this third party For any thing appears in the Verdict George Ramsey died before the Earl 2. It appears not that his Son John or the Defendant his Grand-child were born within the Kings Liegeance Patient appears to be born at Kingston and so the Daughters of Robert by the Verdict The Acts of Ireland except all Land whereof Office was found before the Act to entitle the King but that is in Ireland for the Act extends not to England If Nicholas have Title it is by the Law of England as a consequent of Naturalization So it may be for the Act of 7 Jac. cap. 2. he that is Naturalized in England since the Act must receive the Sacrament but if no Alien by consequent then he must no more receive the Sacrament than a Postnatus of Scotland Obj. Ireland is a distinct Kingdom from England and therefore cannot make any Law Obligative to England Answ That is no adequate Reason for by that Reason England being a distinct Kingdom should make no Law to bind Ireland which is not so England can naturalize if it please nominally a person in Ireland and not in England But he recover'd by saying That Ireland was subordinate to England and therefore could not make a Law Obligatory to England True for every Law is coactive and it is a contradiction that the Inferior which is civilly the lesser power should compel the Superior which is greater power Secondly He said England and Ireland were two distinct Kingdoms and no otherwise united than because they had one Soveraign Had this been said of Scotland and England it had been right for they are both absolute Kingdoms and each of them Sui Juris But Ireland far otherwise For it is a Dominion belonging to the Crown of England and follows that it cannot be separate from it but by
of the Court if the name of the County be familiar to them as those of Wales are but not those of Ireland We must then look higher and search for surer Premisses than those late Awards of the Courts at Westminster to determine this Question And first it must be agreed That when Wales was a Kingdom or Territory governed by its own Laws and the people subject to a Prince peculiar to themselves immediately and not to the Crown of England no Process of any nature could issue thither from the Courts of England more than to any other Forreign Dominion that is not of the Dominion of England In which Assertion I neither do nor need affirm any thing Whether Wales were held from the Crown of England by Feodal Right or not and what sort of Liegeance the Princes of Wales and from what time did owe to the King of England For whatever that was yet Wales was governed by its own Laws and not bound by any Law made in England to bind them more than Scotland was when yet the King of Scotland did homage to the King of England for that very Kingdom of Scotland I begin then with the time that Wales came to be of the Dominion of the Crown of England and was obliged to such Laws as the Parliament of England would enact purposely to bind it This was not before the entire submission of Wales de alto basso as the words of the Statute of Rutland are to King E. 1. which a little in time preceded the making of those Laws for Wales called the Statute of Rutland Whether it was really a Statute by Parliament or concession of the King by his Charter for the future Government of Wales is not material for so at least it appears to be But by what transaction soever either of voluntary submission or partly by force of Arms it was effected it is evident that from that time Wales became absolutely of the Dominion of the Kingdom of England and not only of the Empire of the King of England as it might possibly have been for now Scotland is The words of the Statute of Rutland are Divina Providentia quae in sui dispositione non fallitur inter alia suae dispensationis munera quibus Nos Regnum Nostrum Angliae decorari dignata est terram Walliae cum incolis suis prius nobis jure feodali subjectam jam sui gratia in proprietatis nostrae Domin obstaculis quibuscunque cessantibus totaliter cum integritate convertir coronae regni praed tanquam partem corporis ejusdem annexit univit So as from this time it being of the Dominions of the English the Parliaments of England might make Courts to bind it but it was not immediately necessary it should but its former Laws excepting in point of Soveraignty might still obtain or such other as E. 1. should constitute to whom they had submitted and accordingly their Laws after their Submission were partly their Old Laws and partly New ordained by him Preamble Stat. Walliae Leges Consuetudines partium illarum hactenus usitatas coram nobis proceribus Regni nostri fecimus recitari quibus diligenter auditis plenius intellectis quasdam illarum de consilio procerum praedictorum delevimus quasdam permisimus quasdam correximus etiam quasdam alias adjiciendas faciendas decrevimus eas de caetero in terris Nostris in partibus illis perpetua firmitate teneri Observari volumus in forma subscripta Then follow the Ordinances appointing Writs Original and Judicial in many things varying from those of England and a particular manner of proceeding and a particular Justiciar to administer Justice and particular Chancery out of which the Writs for those parts were to issue So as though Wales became of the Dominion of England from that time yet the Courts of England had nothing to do with Administration of Justice there in other manners than now they have with the Western Islands Barbadoes St. Christophers Mevis New England which are of the Dominions of England and so is Ireland the Isles of Garnsey and Jersey at present all which may be bound by Laws made respectively for them by an English Parliament but all or most of them at present by Laws appointed and made by the King's Letters Patents and the King's Writs Original or Judicial from the Courts of Westminster go not there so anciently were Gascoign Guyen and Calais of the Dominions of England but governed by the Customes and Laws used there and out of the Jurisdiction of the Kings Courts And it is observable That these Territories of France were not held by the Crown of England by that right it had to all France as is much mistaken and particularly by Sir Edward Coke in Calvin's Case For those Territories by an Act and Conclusion of Peace made by E. 3. with the French which was ratified by the Parliaments of both Kingdoms those Territories were then annexed thereby to the Dominion of the Crown of England whereof I had a fair and ancient Copy from Mr. Selden but lost it by the fire And that Gascoign Guyen 2 R. 3. f. 12. and Calais were of the Dominions of England and Ireland appears by the Book 2 R. 3. f. 12. But to all Dominions of Acquisition to the Crown of England some Writs out of the King's Chancery have constantly run Sir Edward Coke in Calvin's Case Calvin's Case 7. Rep. f. 20. calleth them Brevia mandatoria non remedialia distinguishing Writs into Brevia mandatoria remedialia Brevia mandatoria non remedialia The first sort he saith never issue into Dominions belonging to England but not parts of it the other do More intelligibly it may be said That Writs in order to the particular Rights and Properties of the Subject which he calls Brevia mandatoria remedialia for this Writ is a Mandate issue not to Dominions that are no part of England but belonging to it For surely as they have their particular Laws so consequently they must have their particular Mandates or Writs in order to them And though their Laws should by accident be the same with those of England as hath happened to Ireland some times and now to Wales yet the Administration of them is not necessarily by and under the Jurisdiction of the Courts of England Brevia mandatoria non remedialia are Writs that concern not the particular Rights or Properties of the Subjects but the Government and Superintendency of the King Ne quid Respublica capiat detrimenti such are Writs for safe Conduct and protection Writs for Apprehension of persons in his Dominions of England and withdrawing to avoid the Law into other of his Dominions as he instances in such Writs to the Dominions of Gascoign viz. to the Major of Bourdeaux there to certifie concerning a person Outlaw'd in England if he were in Servitio Regis there of like nature are the Writs of
but for Churches only within the Lordships Marchers whether of the Kings Patronage or others for there it is certain according to the reason given in the Books that the Stewards of the Lordships Marchers to whomsoever they belonged could not write to the Bishops And Newton was right 19 H. 6. That if Action of Dower once brought in the Court of any Signiory real it should be Royal in Wales and there issue should be upon usque accouple in loyal Matrimony which must be tryed by the Bishop but the Court had no power to write to the Bishop but therefore saith he The King shall write to the Marshal to remove the Record hither and then we shall make Process to the Bishop But this is against the Resolution of all the Judges in Cr. 2 Car. 1. f. 34. So as either of Necessity this was a provision in the same Act That as well Quare Impedits should be brought in England of Churches in the Lordships Marchers of Wales as that Writs should be brought in England of Lordships Marchers or any part of them in question because Justice could not be had in Wales either concerning such Lordships or Churches or else Churches within Lordships Marchers being in the same Case for a failer of Justice they were comprehended and ought to be so within the equity of that Act of Parliament for Iustice to be had touching the Lordships themselves and that the Law was such appears 1. That only Quare Impedits for Churches in Lordships Marchers in Wales and not for Churches in the ancient Shires or of the Principality of Wales whereof submission and render was made to E. 1. were to be brought and tryed in England 2. That Tryals and Writs in England for Land in Wales were only for Lordships Marchers and not for any Land in Wales which was of the ancient Principality for the Lordships Marchers were or most of them of the Dominion of England and held of the King in chief as appears by the Statute 28 E. 3. c. 2. and by the Title of the Earl of March before the rendition of the Principality to E. 1. That the Law was so for the Quare Impedits appears in the first place by the Book before cited 11 H. 6. f. 3. where Danby Martin and Newton were of Opinion argued about a Church in Garnsey for the Case before them was not of a Church in Wales That Quare Impedits for Churches in Wales were to be brought in England which was true but not for Churches which were not in any Lordships Marchers Strange affirms positively in the same Case in these words It is frequent to have Quare Impedits in Wales Per Strange 11 H. 6. f. 3. and the Bishops there do serve the Writs directed to them which I my self have often seen And what he said was most true for Churches within the Principality as what the other Judges said was also true concerning Churches within the Lordships Marchers for those Courts had no power to write to the Bishops But this is most manifest by the Statute of Wales 12 E. 1. That the Kings Justiciar there had power within the County where he was Justiciar to write to the Bishops which the Lords Marchers could not do The words of the Law are upon demand of Dower in Wales before the Kings Justiciar Stat. Walliae f. 17. Si forte objiciat quare non debet dotem habere eo quod nunquam fuit tali quem ipsa vocat virum legitimo matrimonio copulata tunc mandabitur Episcopo quod super hoc inquirat veritatem inquisita veritate certificet Justitiarios Walliae secundum certificationem Episcopi procedatur ad judicium It is clear also 10 H. 4. f. 6. That the Bishops of Wales were originally of the Foundation of the Princes of Wales as is the Book of 10 H. 4. and their Courts did write to their own Bishops as the Courts in England did to the Kings Bishops And when the Dominion of Wales was lawfully vested in the King of England his Justices there must have the same power as to the Bishops that the Justices of the Courts of the Prince of Wales had before How the same stands in this point since the Statute of 27 of the Vnion of Wales with England shall be shewed after Besides what hath been already shewed That the Writs out of the Chancery in England issued not into Wales for Tryals of Land other than the Land of Lordships Marchers and by a special Law that was provided but neither for other Lands nor for other Issues arising in Wales Tryals were not to be in the English Counties 11 H. 6. f. 3. A B. In 11 H. 6. Danby saith That if a Church in Wales which is out of the Jurisdiction of the Common Law and a Franchise of the Prince cannot award a Writ to the Bishop and for this cause it must be brought here But other Actions are not maintainable here of a thing done in Wales which was true of a thing done within the Principality and of a Church within the Principality also a Quare Impedit was not to be brought in England 19 H. 6. f. 12. A. In 19 H. 6. Fortescue takes a difference between Wales which was once a Kingdom of it self and the Counties Palatine which were parcels of England and therefore saith The King may send a Record to be tryed in the Counties Palatine because he might do so at Common Law but could not into Wales because he could not at Common Law And then he saith That is the cause that the Statute wills that of things pleaded there as of a Release bearing date there it shall be tryed in the next adjoyning County What this Statute should be he means unless it be the same mentioned in the Case 18 E. 2. is not intelligible for the Statute of 9 E. 3. which speaks of Releases pleaded in Franchises within the Realm That they should be tryed in the County where the Action was brought he cannot intend for that Wales was no Franches nor Franchis of the Realm and Tryals where the Action is brought is not a Tryal in the next adjoyning County to the place where the Issue arises And by Ascue expresly in that Case that Statute proves in it self it doth not extend to a Deed bearing date in Wales but all such Deeds and all other things alledged in Wales shall be tryed in the County next adjoyning by the Common Law for so he adds which could not be So as an Action brought upon a Bond or Deed made in Wales Ireland Normandy Dutchland or upon a matter there alledged cannot possibly be for want of Tryal but a Plea in Barr to an Action brought arising there some question hath been Whether such a Plea shall not be tryed where the Action is brought and in such a Case if the Plea in Barr arise wholly out of the Realm of England the better Opinion is that such Plea
as much as to say wherein no man had right for that which is equally every mans right is no mans right Whence it follows for I shall not speak of the usage or extent of such a possession by natural Occupancy it being a subject too large and not necessary for my present purpose 1. That there can be no Occupancy natural of any thing wherein another than the Occupant hath right For by the definition made natural Occupancy is the first right 2. A Claim without actual possession cannot make a man a natural Occupant For 1. When a Claim is cannot be possibly known to all concern'd in the Occupancy of a natural thing and what cannot be known is as to all effect of right as if it had not been nor is there any Character of a natural Claim but the possession and use of the thing but civilly there may either by word or other sign agreed on 2. The end of a natural Right to any natural thing is the separate use of the thing to a part of Mankind which cannot be used by all Mankind but if Claim only would give a Right to the things of nature they might still remain as much without use after the Claim as before which agrees not with the end of Nature in giving a Right to natural things 3. If Claim could give a Natural Right one might claim all things in the Universe not already appropriated and might have done so in the beginning of time when nothing almost was appropriated 4. A natural Occupant hath no Estate of Fee Freehold or the like which are Estates formed and raised by municipal Laws but hath only a bare possession to keep or forsake 5. That Land possessed by a natural Occupant must be without any sort of Vassallage of Service Rent Condition or other Charge whatsoever for those servitudes upon the Land cannot be conceiv'd without a former right in him that laid them but natural Occupancy of things wherein none had any former right or having any have deserted it for naturally a man can have nothing against his own will 6. Two or more cannot at the same time have severally plenary possession that is Occupancy of the same thing therefore none can have right to that by reason of possession whereof another is already possess'd for then there would be two plenary Possessors severally of the same thing at the same time which is impossible And although every Nation hath by Consent and Agreement among the people of it its proper Laws to guide and determine mens Properties to all things capable of property and ownership yet the ancientest Nations of the World have no other right against each other to their own Countries and Territories than this original and natural occupancy and that Nation that will not admit a right by occupancy to another Nation in the Land so possess'd by it must at the same time confess they have no right to their own which they hold but in like manner They who would be further satisfied concerning this kind of occupancy may resort for exactness above other Books upon this Subject to Mr. Selden's Mare Clausum Seldeni Mare Clausum l. 1. Grotius de Jure Belli l. 1. c. 3 4. lib. 1. and to Hugo Grotius his first Book de Jure Belli Pacis c. 3. de acquisitione originaria rerum c. 4. de derelictione praesumpta eam secuta occupatione c. 1. By Civil Occupancy I mean such an occupancy either of things immoveable as Lands or of things moveable as is according to institution and the law of the place and particularly according to the Law of England as to the decision of the Question before us 2. By the Law of England there is no occupancy by any person of any thing which another hath a present right to possess wherein the Law of the Land agrees with that of natural occupancy Occupancy by the Law must be of things which have natural existence as of Land or of other natural things not of things which have their being and creation from Laws and Agreements of men for there is no direct and immediate occupancy of a Rent a Common an Advowson a Fair a Market a Remainder a Dignity and the like Cok. Litt. f. 41. b. Cr. 41 El. f. 721. Crauleys C. p. 50. no Occupancy of a Rent There can be no Occupant of any thing that lieth in grant and cannot pass without Deed because every Occupant must claim by a que estate and averr the life of Cestuy que vie And in this the Civil Occupancy with us of Land agrees with Natural Occupancy which must be of a thing that hath natural existence and not only legal But although the Occupancy be always of a natural thing yet the Occupant doth thereby by the Law enjoy several things many times that have their being by Law only as an Occupant of Land may thereby enjoy a Common Occupant of a House Estovers of the demesne Lands of a Mannor the Services and Advowsons appendant which are not themselves natural things but things created by Law nor are they immediately and by themselves capable of Occupancy but with reference to and as adjuncts of the Land and herein the civil Occupany differs from the natural And the reason is clear because the occupancy of the Land which ought not to lye void doth not sever or separate any thing from the Land which the Law hath joyned with it and if it doth not separate from it that which is joyn'd with it by Law though that be not capable of Occupancy in it self as an Advowson or Common it must follow that such things continue joyn'd or belonging to the Land as before notwithstanding the occupancy of the Land Cok. Litt. f. 41. b. In civil occupancy the Land in occupancy is charg'd with all the servitude impos'd by the first Lessor or by the Law As 1. to the payment of Rent 2. to be subject to waste 3. to forfeiture 4. to other Conditions wherein it differs from Land whereof a man is a natural occupant As to the civil occupancy of moveable things which are commonly termed personal things or goods there are few of those in our Law that have not a Proprietor and consequently no Occupant can be of them those which fall under occupancy of that kind are for the most part found in things ferae naturae whose acquisition is either per piscationem Bract. l. 2. c. 1. as in Fish or per aucupium as in Fowl or per venationem by hunting These do cedere occupanti communi Jure 1. Hence it follows by way of Inference and Corollary That there can be no primary and immediate Occupancy of a Tithe for it is not in its own nature capable of Occupancy more than a Rent or Common is and is in truth in its nature but a Rent it cannot pass by it self but by Deed and as other things which lye in grant A second thing that follows
thing be in question suppose the Laws of Ireland were made the Laws of England by Act of Parliament here only Two were material to this Question 1. That a Postnatus of a Forraign Dominion of the Kings should be no Alien the Law is so in Ireland 2. That persons naturalized in England are naturalized for all the Dominions belonging to England if the Law were so in Ireland it follows not That one naturalized there must be naturalized in England thereby for England is not a Dominion belonging to Ireland but è contrario Fitz. Assise pla 382.18 E. 2 A Writ of Error lies to reverse a Iudgment in any Dominions belonging to England Breve Domini Regis non currit in Wallia is not to be intended of a Writ of Error but of such Writs as related to Tryals by Juries those never did run in Forraign Dominions that most commonly were governed by different Laws Error of a Judgment in Assize of Gower's Land in B. R. 18 E. 2. 21. H. 7. f. 31. b. A Writ of Non molestando issued out of the Chancery to the Mayor of Calais retornable in the Kings Bench and by the whole Court agreed That there are divers Presidents of Writs of Error to reverse Iudgments given in Calais though it was Objected They were governed by the Civil Law 7. Rep. f. 20. a. Calvins Case And Sir Edward Coke cites a Case of a Writ directed to the Mayor of Burdeaux a Town in Gascoigny and takes the difference between Mandatory Writs which issued to all the Dominions and Writs of ordinary remedy relating to Tryals in the Kingdom 7 Rep. Calvins Case f. 18. a. And speaking of Ireland among other things he saith That albeit no Reservation were in King John's Charter yet by Judgment of Law a Writ of Error did lye in the Kings Bench of England of an Erroneous Judgment in the Kings Bench in Ireland A Writ of Error lies not therefore to reverse a Iudgment in Ireland by Special Act of Parliament for it lies at Common Law to reverse Iudgments in any Inferior Dominions and if it did not Inferior and Provincial Governments as Ireland is might make what Laws they pleas'd for Iudgments are Laws when not to be revers'd Pla. Parl. 21 E. 1. f. 152 157. Magdulph appeal'd from the Court and Iudgment of the King of Scots before King Edward the First Ut Superiori Domino Scotiae And by the Case in 2 R. 3. f. 12. all the Iudges there agree 2 R. 3. f. 12. assembled in the Exchequer Chamber That a Writ of Error lay to reverse Iudgments in Ireland and that Ireland was subject as Calais Gascoigne and Guyen who were therefore subject as Ireland And therefore a Writ of Error would there lye as in Ireland Another Objection subtile enough is That if naturalizing Obj. 3 in Ireland which makes a man as born there shall not make him likewise as born that is no Alien in England That then naturalizing in England should not make a man no Alien in Ireland especially without naming Ireland and the same may be said That one denizen'd in England should not be so in Ireland Answ The Inference is not right in form nor true The Answer is The people of England now do and always did consist of Native Persons Naturaliz'd Persons and Denizen'd Persons and no people of what consistence soever they be can be Aliens to that they have conquer'd by Arms or otherwise subjected to themselves for it is a contradiction to be a stranger to that which is a mans own and against common reason and publique practise Therefore neither Natives or Persons Naturaliz'd or denizen'd of England or their Successors can ever be Aliens in Ireland which they conquer'd and subjected And though this is De Jure Belli Gentium observe what is said and truly by Sir Edward Coke in Calvin's Case in pursuance of other things said concerning Ireland In the Conquest of a Christian Kingdom 7. Rep. Calvins C. f. 18. a. as well those that served in Warr at the Conquest as those that remain'd at home for the Safety and Peace of their Country and other the Kings Subjects as well Antenati as Postnati are capable of Lands in the Kingdom or Country conquer'd and may maintain any real Action and have the like Priviledges there as they may have in England Another Objection hath been That if a person naturaliz'd in Obj. 4 Ireland and so the Kings natural Subject shall be an Alien here then if such person commit Treason beyond the Seas where no local Liegeance is to the King he cannot be tryed here for Treason contra ligeantiae suae debitum 26 H. 8. c. 13. 33 H. 8. c. 23. 35 H. 8. c. 2. Treason by an Irish man in Ireland or elsewhere may be tryed in England by those Statutes 33 El. Andersons Rep. f. 262. b. Orurks Case Calvins Case f. 23. a. by the Statute of 26 H. 8. or 35 H. 8. or any other Statute to that purpose 1. To that I answer That his Tryal must be as it would have been before those Laws made or as if those stood now repeal'd 2. His Tryal shall be in such case as the Tryal of a person naturalized in Scotland after the Union who is the Kings Subject but an Alien in England Ireland Though Ireland have its own Parliament yet is it not absolute sui juris for if it were England had no power over it and it were as free after Conquest and Subjection by England as before That it is a conquer'd Kingdom is not doubted but admitted in Calvin's Case several times And by an Act of Parliament of Ireland Stat. Hib. 11 12. 13 Jac. c. 5. appears in express words Whereas in former times after the Conquest of this Realm by his Majesties most Royal Progenitors Kings of England c. What things the Parliament of Ireland cannot do 1. It cannot Alien it self or any part of it self from being under the Dominion of England nor change its Subjection 2. It cannot make it self not subject to the Laws of and subordinate to the Parliament of England 3. It cannot change the Law of having Judgments there given revers'd for Error in England and others might be named 4. It cannot dispose the Crown of Ireland to the King of Englands second Son or any other but to the King of England Laws made in the Parliament of England binding Ireland A Law concerning the Homage of Parceners 14 H. 3. called Statutum Hiberniae A Statute at Nottingham 17 E. 1. called Ordinatio pro Statu Hiberniae Laws for Ireland made by E. 3. Pat. Rol. 5 E. 3. pars 1. m. 29. pla Parl. f. 586 per advisamentum Concilii nostri in ultimo Parliamento nostro apud Westm tento An Act that no Arch-bishop Bishop or Prior should be chosen 4 H. 5. c. 6. who were Irish nor come to Parliaments with Irish Attendants The late Acts
Act of Parliament of England no more than Wales Gernsey Jersey Barwick the English Plantations all which are Dominions belonging to the Realm of England though not within the Territorial Dominion or Realm of England but follow it and are a part of its Royalty Thirdly That distinct Kingdoms cannot be united but by mutual Acts of Parliament True if they be Kingdoms sui Juris and independent upon each other as England and Scotland cannot be united but by reciprocal Acts of Parliament So upon the Peace made after Edward the Third's war with France Gascoign Guien Calais were united and annext to the Crown of England by the Parliaments of both Nations which is a secret piece of Story and mistaken by Sir Edward Coke who took it as a part of the Conquest of France and by no other Title But Wales after the Conquest of it by Edward the First was annext to England Jure Proprietatis 12 Ed. 1. by the Statute of Ruthland only and after more really by 27 H. 8. 34. but at first received Laws from England as Ireland did but not proceeded by Writs out of the English Chancery but had a Chancery of his own as Ireland hath was not bound by the Laws of England unnamed until 27 H. 8. no more than Ireland now is Ireland in nothing differs from it but in having a Parliament Gratiâ Regis subject to the Parliament of England it might have had so if the King pleas'd but it was annext to England None doubts Ireland as conquer'd as it and as much subject to the Parliament of England if it please The Court was divided viz. The Chief Justice and Tyrrell for the Plaintiff Wylde and Archer for the Defendant Trin. 25 Car. II. C. B. Rot. 1488. Thomas Hill and Sarah his Wife are Plaintiffs Thomas Good Surrogat of Sir Timothy Baldwyn Knight Doctor of Laws and Official of the Reverend Father in God Herbert Bishop of Hereford is Defendant In a Prohibition THE Plaintiffs who prosecute as well for the King as themselves set forth That all Pleas and Civil Transactions and the Exposition and Construction of all Statutes and all Penalties for the breach of them pertain only to the King and his Crown Then set forth the time of making the Act of 32 H. 8. c. 38. and the Act it self at large and that thereby it was enacted That from the time limited by the Act no Reservation or Prohibition Gods Law excepted should trouble or impeach any marriage without the Levitical Degrees And that no person shall be admitted after the time limited by the Act in any the Spiritual Courts within this Kingdom to any Process Plea or Allegation contrary to the Act. They set forth That after the making of the said Act and the time thereby limited the Plaintiffs being lawful persons to contract marriage and not prohibited by Gods Law and being persons without the Levitical Degrees the Twentieth day of September in the Four and twentieth year of the King at Lemster in the County of Hereford contracted matrimony in the face of the Church and the same consummated and solemninized with carnal knowledge and fruit of Children at Lemster aforesaid That by reason thereof the said Marriage is good and lawful and ought not to be null'd in Court Christian That notwithstanding the Defendant praemissorum non ignarus fraudulently intending to grieve and oppress the Plaintiffs unduly draws them into question before him in the Court Christian for an unlawful marriage as made within the Degrees prohibited by Gods Laws and there falso caute subdole libelling and supposing that whereas by the Laws and Canons Ecclesiastical of this Kingdom it is ordained That none should contract matrimony within the Degrees prohibited by Gods Law and expressed in a certain Table set forth by Publique Authority Anno 1563. and that all marriages so contracted should be esteemed incestuous and unlawful and therefore should be dissolved as void from the beginning And also That whereas by a certain Act of Parliament made and published in the Eight and twentieth year of King Henry the Eighth It is enacted That no person or persons subject or residing within the Realm of England or within the Kings Dominions should marry within the Degrees recited in the said Act upon any pretence whatsoever And That whereas the said Thomas Hill had taken to wife one Elizabeth Clark and for several years cohabited with her as man and wife and had carnal kdowledge of her He the said Thomas notwithstanding after the death of the said Elizabeth had married with and took to wife the said Sarah being the natural and lawful Sister of the said Elizabeth against the form of the said last mentioned Statute and them the said Thomas and Sarah had caus'd unjustly to appear before him in Court Christian to Answer touching the Premisses although the said marriage be lawful and according to Gods Law and without the Levitical Degrees And That although the Plaintiffs have for their discharge in the said Court Christian pleaded the said first recited Act yet the Defendant refuseth to admit the same but proceeds against them as for an incestuous marriage against the form of the Statute And that notwithstanding he was served with the Kings Writ of Prohibition to desist in that behalf in contempt of the King and to the Plaintiffs damage of One hundred pounds The Defendant denies any prosecution of the Plaintiffs contrary to the Kings Writ of Prohibition and thereupon Issue is joyn'd and demurrs upon the matter of the Declaration and prays a Consultation and the Plaintiffs joyn in Demurrer In the Argument upon Harrisons Case I said and still say That if granting Prohibitions to the Spiritual Courts in Cases of Matrimony were res integra now I saw no reason why we should grant them in any Case The matter being wholly of Ecclesiastick Conizance my Reasons were and are 1. Because in all times some marriages were lawful and others prohibited by Divine and Ecclesiastick Laws or Canons yet the Temporal Courts could not prohibit the impeaching of any marriage how lawful soever nor take notice of it 2. If by Act of Parliament anciently all marriages not prohibited by Gods Law or Canons of the Church had been declared lawful the Temporal Courts thereby had no power to prohibit the questioning of any marriage more than before for it had said no more than what the Law was and did say before such Act. So had it been enacted That all marriages should be lawful not prohibited by the Levitical Law the Church had retain'd the judging which were against the Levitical Law as they did when the unlawfulness was not confin'd only to the Levitical Law And the Question now concerning what are the Levitical Degrees whereof we assume the Conizance is but the same as the question would be concerning what marriages were prohibited in the Eighteenth of Leviticus For though such Acts of Parliaments had been yet they had given no new Iurisdiction or
wants a Tryal See for this 32 H. 6 25. B. 8 Ass pl. 27. d. Dowdales Case Co. l. 6. Thus bringing Actions in England and trying them in Counties adjoyning to Wales without knowing the true reason of it also bringing Quare Impedits in like manner for Churches in Wales without distinguishing they were for Lands of Lordships Marchers held of the King and for Churches within such Lordships Marchers hath occasioned that great diversity and contrariety of Opinions in our Book and at length that common Error That matters in Wales of what nature soever are impleadable in England and to be tryed in the next adjoyning County When no such Law was ever pretended to be concerning other the Kings Dominions out of the Realm belonging to the English Crown of the same nature with Wales as Ireland the Isles of Garnsey and Jersey Calais Gascoign Guyen anciently Nor could it be pretended of Scotland if it should become a Dominion of the Crown of England it being at present but of the King of England though it was otherwise when the King came to the Crown And to say that Dominions contiguous with the Realm of England as Wales was and Scotland would be is a thing so simple to make a difference as it is not worth the answering for no such difference was assignable before Wales became of the Dominions of England and since the Common Law cannot make the difference as is observed before It remains to examine what other Alterations have been by Act of Parliament whereby Jurisdiction hath been given to the Courts of England in Wales without which it seems clear they could have none 1. And first by Parliament 26 H. 8. power was given to the Kings President and Council in the Marches of Wales in several Cases 2. Power was given to indict outlaw and proceed against Traytors Clippers of Mony Murtherers and other Felons within the Lordships Marchers of Wales so indicted in the adjoyning Counties by the same Statute but not against such Offenders within the Principality of Wales which was not Lordships Marchers 3. Some other Laws are of this nature about the same time to punish the perjury of Jurors in Wales generally before the Council of the Marchers 1 E 6. c. 10. â—1 Eliz. c. 3. That Proclamations upon Exigents should issue into Wales was ordained by the Statute of 1 E. 6. for by a Statute before in 6 H. 8. c. 4. such Proclamations went but to the adjoyning Counties Rastall Exigent but the Capias utlagatum went always as I take it being a Mandatory Writ for the King but by 1 E. 6. c. 10. That if any persons dwelling in Wales shall after the time limited by the Act be outlawed that then Writs of special Capias utlagatum single Capias utlagatum Non molestando and all other Process for or against any person outlawed shall issue to the Sheriffs of Wales as immediate Officers of the King's Bench and Common Pleas. Capias Utlagâ—tum So as the issuing of a Capias utlagatum into Wales is clear by Parliament 34 H. 8. Persons having Lands in Wales and bound in Statute Staples or Recognizances in England Process to be made against them out of the Chancery in England to the Sheriffs of Wales and for Recognizances acknowledged before either of the Chief Justices by them Process to be immediately pursued from the said Justices 34 H. 8. c. 26. All Process for urgent Causes to be directed into Wales by command of the Chancellor of England or any of the King's Council as hath been used The next is the Alteration made by the Statute of 27 H. 8. which was very great and by which it is commonly taken that Wales was to all purposes united with England and that since all Process may issue out of the Courts here to Wales It is said that the Dominion and Principality of Wales is and always hath been incorporated to the Realm of England that is ut per Stat. Walliae 12 E. 1. jure feodali non proprietatis and so it is expounded in Calvin's Case Cal. C. 7 Rep. f. 21. B. But there it is said by 12 E. 1. which is there taken for an Act of Parliament Wales was united and incorporated unto England and made parcel of England in possession and the Case of 7 H. 4. f. 14. there cited but this is clearly otherwise for unless that Stat. Walliae were an Act of Parliament it could not make Wales part of England which is much questioned for no such Parliament is found summoned nor Law made in it nor is it likely at that time a Parliament of England should be summoned there for Rutland is doubtless in Wales which had it been part of England then made all Laws made or to be made in England without naming Wales had extended to it which they did not before 27 H. 8. The Incorporation of Wales with England by that Act consists in these particulars generally 1. That all persons in Wales should enjoy all Liberties Priviledges and Laws in England as the natural born Subjects of England 2. That all persons inheritable to Land should inherit the same according to the Laws of England thereby inheriting in Gavel kind was abrogated 3. That Laws and Statutes of England and no other should for ever be practised and executed in Wales as they have been and shall be in England And as by this Act hereafter shall be further ordained By this Clause not only all the present Laws of England were induced into Wales but all future Statutes of England to be made were also for the future in like manner induced into Wales which was more than ever was done in Ireland though Ireland before and by Parning's Act had the present Laws then and Statutes of England introduced into Ireland but not the future Laws and Statutes to be made as in this Case was for Wales But this gave no Jurisdiction in general to the Courts of England over Wales more than before nor otherwise than if a Law were made in England That the Laws and Statutes of England now and for the future always to be made should be Laws in Ireland the Courts in England would not thereby have other Jurisdiction in Ireland than they already have in any respect The Vniting of Wales to England and Incorporating Note doth not thereby make the Laws used in England to extend to Wales without more express words Pl. Com. 129. B. 130. A. By this Act it appears That the Lordships Marchers in the Dominions of Wales did lye between the Shires of England and the Shires of Wales and were not in any Shire most of which Lordships were then in the King's possession and some in the possession of other Lords And that divers of them are by the Act united and joyned to the County of Glocester others to the County of Hereford and others to the County of Salop others respectively to the Shires of Glamorgan Carmarthen Pembrook
and Merioneth The residue of the said Lordships Marchers were thereby framed and divided into five particular Counties erected and created by the Act namely the County of 1 Monmouth 2 of Breenock 3 of Montgomery 4 of Radnor 5 of Denbigh The respective Lordships Marchers annexed to the respective English Counties of Salop Hereford and Glocester are now to all intents under the Jurisdiction of the Courts at Westminster in like manner as the Counties to which they were annexed formerly were and yet are So is one of the new erected Counties framed out of the said Lordships Marchers namely the County of Monmouth which by the said Act is to all purposes under the Jurisdiction of the Kings Courts at Westminster as any English Country is All the Lordships Marchers annexed to the ancient Shires of Wales are now since the Statute under the same Jurisdiction for Administration of Justice as those ancient Shires were before the Statute of the 27. and yet are so as the Lordships Marchers annexed to those ancient Shires of Wales are now such parts of them as the Lordships Marchers annexed to the English Shires are parts of them And the four new Shires in Wales excluding Monmouth shire are by the said Act under the same Administration of Justice by the King's Justices to that purpose there Commissioned as the other ancient Shires of Wales formerly were and are and consequently wholly out of the Jurisdiction of the King's Courts at Westminster And the reason appears in the Statute forasmuch as the Counties or Shires of Brecnock Radnor Montgomery and Denbigh be far distant from the City of London and the Inhabitants of the said Shires not of substance to travel out of their Counties to have the Administration of Justice It is therefore enacted that there shall be respective Chanceries and Exchequers in these Counties and that the Sheriffs of those Counties shall make their Accompts before the Chamberlain and Barons there appointed And that Justice shall be used and ministred in the said new Shires according to the Laws and Statutes of England by such Justiciar or Justicers as shall be thereto appointed by the King and after such form and fashion as Justice is used and ministred to the King's Subjects within the three Shires of North-wales which is according to the ancient Administration of Justice by the Statute of Wales 12 E. 1. So as since this Statute the Courts of Westminster have less Jurisdiction in Wales than before for before they had some in all their Lordships Marchers which were in no County as by this Act and since they being all reduced into Counties either of England or Wales their Jurisdiction is absolute over such of them as are annexed to English Counties but none over the rest And accordingly it hath been still practised since the Statute for before Lordships Marchers and Quare Impedits of Churches within them were impleadable in the Kings Courts by Originals out of the Chancery directed to the adjoyning Sheriffs and the Issue tryed in the Counties adjoyning But since no such Original hath issued for real Actions nor any such Tryal been And what hath been in personal Actions of that kind began upon mistake because they found some Originals issued into some part of Wales and knew not the true reason of it that it was by Act of Parliament they then concluded Originals might issue for any cause arising into any part of Wales and the Tryals to be in the adjacent Counties of England generally And though that practise hath been deserted since the Statute of 27 H. 8. as to real Actions because the subject matter of the Lordships Marchers was taken away which in some sense was lawful as is opened before the Statute yet they have retained it still in personal Actions which was never lawful nor found in any Case anciently practised as real Actions were as appears in the Case of Stradling and Morgan in the Commentaries yet that was upon a quo minus out of the Exchequer which I do not see how it can change the Law If Judgments be obtained in the King's Courts against persons Obj. 1 inhabiting in Wales and that Process of Execution cannot be awarded thither the Judgments will be ineffectual The same may be said of Judgments obtained against a Frenchman Answ 1 Scotch man or Dutch-man whose usual Residence Lands and Goods are in those Territories he that sues ought to foresee what benefit he shall have by it and must not expect it but where the Courts have Jurisdiction The same may be said of Judgments obtained here against Irish-men Garnsey or Jersey Inhabitants or formerly against those of Calais Gascoign Guyen which were equally and some are still of the Dominions of England as Wales is subject to the Parliament of England but not under the Jurisdiction of the Courts at Westminster though subject to Mandatory Writs of the King Obj. 2 That of Judgments obtained in the King's Courts Execution is had in Franchises and also in Counties Palatine where the King 's Writ runneth not and by the same reason ought to be had in Wales though the King's Writ runneth not there Answ 1 Franchises inferiour are deriv'd out of Counties by the King's Grant where the King's Writ did run and so were Counties Palatine part of the Realm anciently where the Subjects of the Realm had right to have Execution of the Lands and Goods of those against whom they recovered in the King's Courts whereof they are no more to be deprived than of their Actions by the King's Grant for he may make what Counties he pleases Counties Palatine but in Dominions out of the Realm the Subject had no such Right in the other they have it because they had it at Common Law but in others not because they had it not at Common Law When the Question is of the Jurisdiction in a Dominion or Territory belonging to England the way to determine it is by examining the Law in Dominions the same in Specie with that concerning which the Question is and not to examine the Law in Franchises or Dominions of another kind Therefore to determine what Jurisdiction the King's Courts have in Wales ought to be by examining their Jurisdiction in Ireland the Islands of Garnsey Jersey Calais Gascoign Guyen in former times some part of Scotland and the Western Islands and many others might be named which are Dominions in Specie the same with Wales and belonging to England where the King 's Writ runneth not and not this power in Franchises within the Realm part of English Counties before they were Franchises and continuing so after or in entire Counties Palatine which sometimes were under the Jurisdiction of the King's Courts and in which the Subjects had a right of their Tryals upon Pleas pleaded and of Execution and which cannot be taken from them where the King 's Writ runneth not The Cases are full in this point in 19 H. 6. f. 12. 32 H. 6. f. 25. and many
Heirs is expresly forbidden by the Statute de Donis 374 Right See Title Action 1. Where there can be presumed to be no remedy there is no right 38 Seisin 1. THe profits of all and every part of the Land are the Esplees of the Land and prove the Seisin of the whole Land 255 2. In an Entry sur Disseisin or other Action where Esplees are to be alledged the profits of a Mine will not serve 254 Spoliation 1. The Writ of Spoliation lyes for one Incumbent against the other where the Patrons right comes in question 24 Statute See Recognizance 1. A Recognizance taken before the Chief Justice of the Common Pleas in the nature of a Statute Staple 102 Statutes in general 1. Where an Act of Parliament is dubious long usage is a just medium to expound it by and the meaning of things spoken and written must be as hath been constantly received by common acceptation 169 2. But where usage is against the obvious meaning of an Act by the vulgar and common acceptation of words then it is rather an oppression then exposition of the Act 170 3. When an Act of Parliament alters the Common Law the meaning shall not be strained beyond the words except in cases of publick utility when the end of the Act appears to be larger than the words themselves 179 4. Secular Judges are most conizant in Acts of Parliament 213 5. When the words of a Statute extend not to an inconvenience rarely happening but doth to those which often happen it is good reason not to strain the words further than they will reach by saying it is casus omissus and that the Law intended quae frequentius accidunt 373 6. But where the words of a Law do extend to an inconvenience seldom happening there it shall extend to it as well as if it happens more frequently 373 7. An Act of Parliament which generally prohibits a thing upon a penalty which is popular or only given to the King may be inconvenient to diverse particular persons in respect of person place time c. For this cause the Law hath given power to the King to dispense with particular persons 347 8. Whatsoever is declared by an Act of Parliament to be against Law we must admit it so for by a Law viz. by Act of Parliament it is so declared 327 9. Where the Kings Grant is void in its creation a saving of that Grant in an Act of Parliament shall not aid it 332 10. How an Act of Parliament may be proved there hath been such an Act where the Roll is lost 162 163 404 405 407 11. An Act of Parliament in Ireland cannot effect a thing which could not be done without an Act of Parliament in England 289 12. Distinct Kingdoms cannot be united but by mutual Acts of Parliament 300 13. A repealed Act of Parliament is of no more effect than if it had never been made 325 Statutes 1. Merton cap. 4. The Statute of Merton which gave the owner of the Soyl power to approve Common did not consider whether the Lord was equally bound to pasture with his Tenants or not but it considered that the Lord should approve his own Ground so as the Commoners had sufficient 256 257 2. The inconveniences before the making of the Statute and the several remedies that were provided by it 257 1. Westm 1. 3 E. 1. The Antiquae Custumae upon Woolls Woolfells and Leather were granted to E. 1. by Parliament and therefore they are not by the Common Law 162 163 1. Westm 1. cap. 38. Attaints in Pleas real were granted by this Statute 146 1. Westm 2. cap. 24. The Quare Ejecit infra terminum is given by this Statute for the recovery of the Term against the Feoffee for an Ejectment lay not against him he coming to the Land by Feoffment 127 Statute of Glocester 1. Restrained warranties from binding as at Common Law 366 377 2. Before this Statute all Warranties which descended to the Heirs of the Warrantors were barrs to them except they were Warranties which commenced by Disseisin 366 3. The reason why the warranty of Tenant in Tayl with assets binds the right of the Estate Tayl is in no respect from the Statute de Donis but by the equity of the Statute of Glocester by which the Warranty of the Tenant per Curtesie barrs not the Heir for his Mothers Land if his Father leaves not assets to descend 365 4. If this Statute had not been made the lineal Warranty of Tenant in Tayl had no more bound the right of the Estate Tayl by the Statute de Donis with assets descending than it doth without assets ibid. Westm 2. De Donis 1. All Issues in Tayl within this Statute are to claim by the Writ purposely formed there for them which is a Formedon in the Descender 369 2. it intended not to restrain the alienation of any Estates but such as were Fee-simples at the Common Law 370 3. This Statute intended not to preserve the Estate for the Issue or the Reversion for the Donor absolutely against all Warranties but against the alienation with or without Warranty of the Donee and Tenant in Tayl only 369 4. Therefore if Tenant for life alien with Warranty which descended upon the Reversioner that was not restrained by the Statute but left at the Common Law 370 5. By this Statute the Warranty of Tenant in Tayl will not barr the Donor or his Heir of the Reversion ibid. 6. The Donee in Tayl is hereby expresly restrained from all power of alienation whereby the Lands entayled may not revert to the Donor for want of issue in Tayl 371 7. See a further Exposition upon this Statute from fol. 371 to 393 1. Wales Statute de Rutland 12 E. 1. after the Conquest of it by Edward the First was annext to England Jure proprietatis and received Laws from England as Ireland did Vide postea 9 17 18. and had a Chancery of their own and was not bound by the Law of England until 27 H. 8. 300 301 399 400 2. Although Wales became of the Dominion of England from that time yet the Courts of England had nothing to do with the Administration of Justice there in other manner than now they have with the Barbadoes Jersey c. all which are of the Dominions of England and may be bound by Laws made respectively for them by an English Parliament 400 See for a further Exposition 401 402 c. Acton Burnell 13 E. 1. 1. Recognizances for Debt were taken before this Statute by the Chancellor two Chief Justices and Justices Itinerants neither are they hindred by this Statute from taking them as they did before 102 28 E. 3. c. 2. concerning Wales 1. Tryals and Writs in England for Lands in Wales were only for Lordships Marchers and not for Lands within the Principality of Wales Vide ante 7. pòstea 17 18. for the Lordships and Marchers were of the Dominion of England and held of