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A91369 Mr. Thomas Pury alderman of Glocester his speech, upon that clause of the bill against episcopacy, the which concernes deanes, and deanes and chapters, at a committee of the whole House. Pury, Thomas, ca. 1590-1666. 1641 (1641) Wing P4247; Thomason E198_21; ESTC R14642 3,926 12

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M R THOMAS PVRY ALDERMAN OF GLOCESTER his SPEECH UPON That clause of the Bill against Episcopacy the which Concernes Deanes and Deanes and Chapters at a COMMITTEE of the whole HOVSE Printed in the yeare 1641. MR. THOMAS PVRY Alderman of Gloucester his SPEECH Vpon that Clause of the Bill against EPISCOPACY the which concernes DEANES and DEANES and CHAPTERS at a Committee of the whole House Mr. HIDE I Rise not up to Answer the Arguments of the Learned Gentleman of the long robe that spake last the which were to prove some Incoherence of the Preamble with the body of the Bill concerning the abolishing of Deanes and Chapters in respect of their government in the Church of England who have none at all as hath beene argued but there are some Reasons sticke with me whereby I doe conceive that the Deanes and Chapters have beene and are part of the Government of the Church of England and that the preamble and body of this Bill therein may very well stand together for if you take the Deanes and Chapters in their Originall who as it was said by a learned Sergeant over against me were first founded in superstition alike to your Regular and Secular Monkes or if you consider them as in their prime institution to be Consilium Epis to assist Bishops in their Government and Discipline or if you looke upon those Deanes and Chapters of the last Foundation by Henry the eight yet certainely they are in all these capacities a part of the government of the Church of England and as well the Rurall as the Cathedrall Deanes are numbred by our owne Writers among Church Governors and they are in and among themselves a part of the Church Government and by the Booke of Reformation of Ecclesiasticall Lawes they are to governe themselves according to their Statutes of Foundation and to keepe them pure and entire so farre as they are not repugnant to the Word of God and our Constitutions of Religion And for the better Satisfaction of this Committee and my selfe here is a Copy of the Statutes Grant and Foundation of the Deane and Chapter of the city of Gloucester I have read them over and doe finde first the end wherefore the Lands and Possessions were granted unto them Secondly the manner and forme of Gevernment of themselves And lastly their severall Oathes to keepe all the Statutes prescribed unto them And because of my weake memory please you to give me leave to reade the words in the Kings Grant Englished thus Wee have erected and constituted Cathedralls and Colleges in the place of Monasteries to the end that where Ignorance and Superstition did raigne there the sinceere Worship of God should flourish and the holy Gospell of Christ Iesus should be dayly and purely Preached And further that the increase of the Christian Faith and Piety the instruction of youth in good learning and the sustentation of the poore should be for ever there kept maintained continued and the said Deane Prebends Cannons and all other persons belonging to the said Cathedralls and Colledges are to be governed and ruled according to the Statutes prescribed unto them Sir the Statutes are many I will in briefe tell you the substance of some few af them The said Deane Prebends and Canons are alwayes to reside and dwell in the houses of the said Cathedrialls and there to keep a Family good hospitality to feede the poore and to distribute Almes unto the needy to be carefull to Preach the Word of God In season and out of season and to sow the seede of the Word of God abroad but especially in the said Cathedrall Church and to have youth profitable taught there And to the end that they may all serve God as well at meales as in the Church they are to have a common Table in the common Hall of the said Cathedrall where the said Cannons Schollers Quiresters and under-Officers are appointed to eate together and the said Deane and Chapter are to give yearely twenty pound to the poore beside their owne poore Almsmen and twenty pound more yearely towards the repairing of Bridges and High-wayes thereabouts Sir for the performance of the said Statutes and premises The said Deane Prebends Canons and Ministers of the said Cathedrall doe or ought respectively to take an Oath and thereby in expresse words do call God to witnesse and doe sweare upon the holy Evangelists to rule governe and behave themselves well and faithfully in the said Church according to the Will and Statutes of the Founder and every one of them doe sweare that he will to his utmost power well and faithfully keepe all and singular the said Ordinances Statutes as much as concernes himselfe and will procure all others as much as concernes them to keepe the same inviolablely So helpe him God and these holy Gospels of God Mr. HIDE You see wherefore the Lands were granted unto Deanes and Chapters what their Statutes are and their Oathes to keepe them It might be thought that these men doe know no way another or nearer way to heaven than they teach us or otherwise that they would not sit in the seate of Perjury as it may steme they doe without remorse of conscience For it is notoriously knowne to the city of Gloucester and country there abouts That not one of the said Statutes before mentioned are or ever were during my remembrance kept or the matters contained in any of them performed by any of the Deanes or Prebends of the said Cathedrall They come indeede once a yeare to receive the Rents and Profits of the said Lands but doe not destribute unto the poore and needy their portion neglecting altogether the mending of the Highwayes and Bridges and doe not keepe any common Table at all and in stead of Preaching the Word of God themselves In season and out of season they are and have beene the chiefe instruments to hinder the same in others Infinite are the Pressure that many Cities neare unto Deanes and Chapters have endured by them and their procurement And whereas it was objected by another learned Gentleman of the long robe That the Deanes and Chapters are a body corporate and that they have as much right unto their Lay possessions as any other body politicke or any City or Towne Corporate I am of his opinion for such Lands and Possessions if they have any which they bought themselves in right of their corporation or for such Lands as were given them for their owne use and I am well contented that such Lands should be left unto them but their case is farre different in my opinion for I have shewed you before to what godly pious and charitable uses the said Lands and possessions were granted unto them And sutable thereunto you may call to minde the Londoners Case about Londonderry in the Starrechamber where they were fyned 70000. pound to his Majestie and the same afterwards estrated into his Majesties Exchequer But upon the Writ of Extent