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B04528 The lavvfulnes of hearing the publick ministers of the Church of England proved, by Mr. Philip Nye and Mr. John Robinson, two eminent Congregational divines. Together with the judgment of Dr. Goodwin, Dr. Owen, and other independents, as well ancient as modern, concerning forms of prayer, parish-churches, and communion with them: and the judgment of other nonconformists about kneeling at the sacrament. Nye, Philip, 1596?-1672.; Robinson, John, 1575?-1625. 1683 (1683) Wing N1496; ESTC R203023 37,350 46

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lose_v they_o in_o all_o the_o rest_n and_o therefore_o if_o a_o man_n do_v take_v what_o be_v good_a of_o all_o side_n he_o be_v apt_a to_o lose_v they_o all_o but_o he_o please_v christ_n by_o it_o and_o so_o will_v i_o for_o this_o particular_a dr._n owen_n pag._n 177._o of_o evangelical_n love_n say_v that_o it_o be_v plead_v indeed_o the_o substance_n of_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n ought_v to_o be_v no_o other_o than_o what_o jesus_n christ_n have_v appoint_v yet_o the_o manner_n and_o mode_n of_o performance_n of_o what_o he_o do_v command_v with_o other_o rite_n and_o ceremony_n for_o order_n and_o decency_n may_v lawful_o be_v institute_v by_o the_o ruler_n of_o the_o church_n let_v it_o therefore_o at_o present_a be_v grant_v say_v he_o that_o so_o they_o may_v be_v by_o they_o who_o be_v persuade_v of_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o those_o modes_n and_o of_o the_o thing_n wherein_o they_o consist_v indeed_o he_o very_o much_o condemn_v communion_n with_o such_o apostatical_a church_n who_o be_v guilty_a of_o idolatry_n and_o require_v unscriptural_a term_n of_o communion_n but_o what_o church_n those_o be_v remain_v to_o be_v prove_v i_o be_o sure_a he_o assert_n that_o many_o error_n in_o doctrine_n disorder_n in_o sacred_a administration_n irregular_a walk_v in_o conversation_n with_o neglect_n and_o abuse_v of_o discipline_n in_o ruler_n may_v fall_v out_o in_o some_o church_n and_o yet_o not_o evacuate_v their_o church-state_n or_o give_v sufficient_a warrant_n for_o any_o person_n to_o leave_v their_o communion_n and_o to_o separate_v from_o they_o pag._n 76._o evang._n love_n and_o pag._n 176._o we_o whole_o deny_v that_o the_o mistake_v of_o christian_n in_o join_v themselves_o unto_o such_o church_n as_o have_v no_o warrantable_a institution_n aught_o to_o be_v any_o cause_n of_o the_o diminish_n of_o our_o love_n towards_o they_o for_o they_o may_v be_v person_n bear_v of_o god_n unite_v to_o christ_n partaker_n of_o the_o spirit_n and_o belong_v to_o the_o church_n catholic_n mystical_a which_o be_v the_o first_o principal_a object_n of_o all_o christian_a love_n and_o charity_n notwithstanding_o their_o error_n and_o wander_n from_o the_o truth_n in_o this_o matter_n and_o the_o say_a dr._n owen_n who_o in_o his_o discourse_n of_o the_o work_n of_o the_o spirit_n in_o prayer_n write_v against_o the_o make_n or_o compose_v of_o form_n of_o prayer_n for_o ourselves_o to_o be_v use_v private_o desire_v the_o reader_n p._n 200._o to_o observe_v that_o he_o do_v not_o argue_v against_o form_n of_o prayer_n as_o unlawful_a to_o be_v use_v and_o pag._n 222._o he_o grant_v that_o man_n or_o church_n may_v agree_v upon_o a_o prescribe_a form_n by_o common_a consent_n as_o judge_v and_o avow_v it_o best_o for_o their_o own_o edification_n again_o pag._n 228._o whether_o they_o be_v approve_v or_o disapprove_v of_o god_n whether_o they_o be_v lawful_a or_o unlawful_a we_o do_v not_o consider_v but_o only_o whether_o they_o be_v for_o 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in_o they_o as_o that_o god_n will_v not_o communicate_v his_o spirit_n to_o any_o in_o the_o use_n of_o they_o so_o as_o that_o they_o shall_v have_v no_o holy_a communion_n with_o he_o in_o and_o under_o they_o much_o less_o will_v i_o say_v that_o god_n never_o therein_o regard_v their_o person_n or_o reject_v their_o pray_v as_o unlawful_a for_o the_o person_n and_o duty_n of_o man_n may_v be_v accept_v with_o god_n when_o they_o walk_v and_o act_n in_o sincerity_n according_a to_o their_o light_n though_o in_o many_o thing_n and_o those_o of_o no_o small_a importance_n sundry_a irregularity_n be_v find_v both_o in_o what_o they_o do_v and_o in_o the_o manner_n of_o do_v it_o where_o person_n walk_v before_o god_n in_o their_o integrity_n and_o practice_v nothing_o contrary_a to_o their_o light_n and_o conviction_n in_o his_o worship_n god_n be_v merciful_a unto_o they_o although_o they_o order_v not_o every_o thing_n according_a to_o the_o rule_n and_o measure_n of_o the_o word_n 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this_o case_n ought_v to_o be_v consider_v viz._n quest_n may_v the_o communion-table_n be_v turn_v altarwise_a and_o rail_v in_o and_o be_v it_o lawful_a to_o come_v up_o to_o the_o rail_n to_o communicate_v answ_n 1._o god_n have_v give_v we_o no_o particular_a command_n or_o prohibition_n about_o these_o circumstance_n but_o the_o general_a rule_n for_o unity_n edification_n order_n and_o decency_n whether_o the_o table_n shall_v stand_v this_o way_n or_o that_o way_n here_o or_o there_o etc._n etc._n he_o have_v not_o particular_o determine_v 2._o they_o that_o turn_v the_o table_n altarwise_a and_o rail_v it_o in_o out_o of_o a_o design_n to_o draw_v man_n to_o popery_n or_o in_o a_o scandalous_a way_n which_o will_v encourage_v man_n to_o or_o in_o popery_n do_v sin_n 3._o so_o do_v they_o that_o rail_v in_o the_o table_n to_o signify_v that_o the_o vulgar_a or_o lay-christians_a must_v not_o come_v to_o it_o but_o be_v keep_v at_o a_o distance_n when_o christ_n in_o his_o 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