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A95782 An information for Mr. William Dell the (right reformer) as he is pleased to stile himself: (being the first to our best remembrance that ever assumed that title.) Or, An answer to his reply upon Mr. Loves contradictions. Together with the answer unto his epistle dedicatory to the Parliament. / By Umfrevile. Umfrevile, William. 1646 (1646) Wing U26; Thomason E367_10; ESTC R201269 16,565 31

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shall be no replier for me Master Love informed that Honorable Audience no more then the world knowes that you not only snarle and barke at but would bite and reare in peeces all Christian Civill Discipline and Church Regiment if you could Master Love proceeds and tells you as if all were comprehended within the narrow heart of man and very well truly for if every mans heart may passe for his owne acquittance and none should judge and controule our outward conversation and behaviour but our selves men would quickly have the title of the play in their mouthes A mad world my Masters But to this Master Dell replies When the heart is reformed all is reformed from top to toe no such matter Master Dell though the heart be reformed yet all may not be reformed Master Love accuseth you rightly enough yet Master Dell men may observe in these times as bad beleevers and good men namely many Religious and Votaries as they call them in the Church of Roome both men and women divers of them leading most innocent and harmelesse lives and which if the roote from which they spring were right might justly be tearmed holy So on the contrary true beleevers and none of the best livers Some wonderfully I dare say enlightned yea and inspired with the Spirit of God who I will be bold to say had from God a large share of saving Graces I and in whole hearts I write it with confidence the Spirituall kingdome of Christ was certainly by himselfe erected Yet of their living very loose that I may not say scandalous as these men passe downe the streames of this life and in the stearing of their course approach too neare the Anchors or Sands of offence whereby they are in danger to be either split by the one or Swallowed up by the other would not the publicke and visible Boye of discipline established in the Church point unto these men the true Chanell of a righter and safer conversation and shall we bring a Text or two of Scripture to confirme this Our Saviour in the Gospell as touching an obstinate and refractorie brother said to us expresly dic Ecclesiae and in case of refusall to submit in all dutifull obedience unto it whether for admonition or censure according to the nature of the failing Sit tibi tanquam Ethnicus et Publicanus What is this Church but the chosen and selected members the heads of the Tribes as I may so call them men Eminent for pietie and Signall abilities of government and discretion which are constituted and set up by the whole Christian Congregation and Assemblie whether Nationall or Provinciall Ad causas cognoscendas to judge of order direct reforme yea censure too if need so require the exorbitant swarvings of their inferior and younger brethren and what meanes Dic tell but complaine if no other remedy if private admonition will not suffice si longius Serpit malum if he proceedes in detrimentum totius if by his stife-neckednesse others also may or do fall into carelesnesse Why Dic Ecclesiae ut Curet illa ne res-publica Christiana inde damno afficiatur that the sinnews of the Churches body be not thereby loosen'd The Apostle Saint Paul in the close of one of his Epistles gives expresse order to marke such as walked disorderly What meant he by those words marke such Surely some Emphasis some restraining coercive power was in them But doth Master Dell and his Peripatetick Comrade that walking I doe not say Wandering light Master Hugh Peters the miraculous new Gospeller That famous Centaure or Horsebacke Preacher do these two great Pillars of this late forged building the new peculiar people of God presume to say and preach likewise that they have no need of any outward Government they These men have no durt no not upon their clothes they much lesse in their skin Gods chosen amongst whom can be found neither blur nor blot they and then I pray what need of any Church Government on them I mean these Darlings and Favorites of God who have as great an impossibility from erring as the Pope They are so farre in Gods bookes that they can hardly get out Homines omni exceptione Majores they I remember that sometime the Lacedemomans boasted that they had not any Whores amongst them no by no meanes they yet by the Lawes of their State they were permitted Concubitum promiscuum every man to hold his Neighbours wife as deare as his owne and so in honest plaines they were all Whores I will forbeare application at this time Mr. Love infers the racing our the first Article of the Covenant from Mr. Dells positions if they took place and well he might make such an inference for that Article obligeth me besides other things to maintain a Discipline in our Church conformable unto the Discipline of the best Reformed Churches of Christendome and namely to that of Scotland Mr. Dell to this Replies That he had rather the whole Covenant were raced out then the least truth contained in the word of God Mr. Dell by these words seems to have a minde to set Gods word and the Covenant together by the ears as if they were opposita at the least if not contraria that they could not both well cotten and were Mr. Dells power as good as his will I should be loath to trust him foenum enim portat in cornu but God sends hungeing cattle short hornes this game is too strong for Mr. Dell he will give it over there may be danger in it the Fox loves no Grapes not he Mr. Dell bath better remembred himself complies and tels you That he likes the Covenant well enough does he does he I am very glad of it but stay Mr. Dell hath not done yet give him leave I pray to say out his say Mr. Dell doth not like the Covenant absolute simpliciter he hath never a well or well enough for it in that sense how then why marry he likes the Covenant well enough according to the true pretention of it oh now I see the Asses ears through the Lions skin for what I pray was not this a principall intention of the Covenant to linke the new Reformed Church of England in the bend of unity not onely of Doctrine but also of outward Discipline and Government with the best Reformed Churches of Christendome and namely with that of our brethren of Scotland this I confesse aperta fronte to be the intention of the Covenant as it is plainely specified in it Mr. Dell doth he like it according to this intention I fear not Mr. Dell. may give the Covenant some construction apart as well as expound the Scripture a part I mean in a sublime illuminated inspired way never heard of before this day and erect a new people apart if it please him But Mr. Dell must have a Reformation according to Gods Word why is the Reformation setled by Covenant not according to the word and shall not more be