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A82002 A sober and temperate discourse, concerning the interest of words in prayer, the just antiquity and pedigree of liturgies, or forms of prayer in churches : with a view of the state of the church, when they were first composed, or imposed. Together with a discovery of the weakness of the grounds upon which they were first brought in, or upon which Bishop Gawden hath lately discoursed, the necessity of a liturgie, or the inconveniency of altering the English liturgie, the utility of church musick, and the lawfulness of ceremonies : in which are mixed reasons justifying those godly ministers, who forbear the use of the Common-prayer, against the late out-cryes of the said bishop. / By H.D. M.A. H. D. (Henry Dawbeny); Collinges, John, 1623-1690, attributed name. 1661 (1661) Wing D449; Thomason E1086_14; ESTC R208152 100,305 119

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day_n himself_n upon_o further_a light_n suffer_v martyrdom_n we_o believe_v he_o do_v both_o in_o the_o sincerity_n of_o his_o heart_n and_o only_o mention_v this_o to_o show_v that_o those_o eminent_a light_n be_v not_o fit_v to_o set_v a_o stand_n and_o perpetual_a rule_n to_o the_o church_n in_o so_o great_a a_o affair_n as_o this_o be_v xiii_o but_o if_o as_o the_o bishop_n say_v p._n 3._o neither_o piety_n nor_o policy_n will_v allow_v the_o discompose_v or_o dissolve_v the_o whole_a frame_n of_o the_o liturgy_n and_o if_o as_o he_o tell_v we_o p._n 12._o the_o reform_a part_n of_o religion_n can_v be_v well_o preserve_v in_o england_n to_o any_o flourish_a and_o uniform_a state_n unless_o such_o liturgy_n be_v authoritative_o enjoin_v and_o constant_o maintain_v then_o unquestionable_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v as_o he_o dictate_v and_o if_o as_o he_o tell_v we_o p._n 23._o the_o liturgy_n of_o england_n as_o to_o the_o main_a essential_o of_o it_o in_o doctrine_n devotion_n 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