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A68315 The examinations of Henry Barrowe Iohn Grenewood and Iohn Penrie, before the high commissioners, and Lordes of the Counsel. Penned by the prisoners themselues before their deathes Barrow, Henry, 1550?-1593.; Greenwood, John, d. 1593. aut; Penry, John, 1559-1593. aut 1596 (1596) STC 1519; ESTC S113168 32,537 34

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called he Watson the pursuvāt and O. Cussins a part into a windowe where he made a warrant to send me to prison B. ●ow shal not touch one haire of my head without the wil of my heauenly father A. Nay I wil doe this to rectifie yow B. Consider what yow doe yow shal one day answer it A. Yow wil not sweare yow wil not enter bond for your appearance B. I wil put in band for my baile in the prison and for my true imprisonment A. Nay that wil not serue the turne M r. Doctor enter these thinges Then Cussins wrote that I refused to sweare and enter bond ● I wil send some to yow to conferre A. B That were more requisite before my imprisonment So the Arch B. delivered me to the pursuvant to ●arie me to the 〈…〉 where I as yer 〈…〉 neither knowing the cause of my imprisonment neither haue I as yet heard from him I was no sooner out of his howse but I remembred the place in controversie it is written 1. Cor. 6. 12. Al thinges are lawful for me but al thinges are not profitable I may doe al thinges but I wil not be brought vnder the power of any thing The lord knoweth to deliver the god● out of t●ntation and to rese●●e the ●●●ust vnto the day of Judgement vnder punishment THe 27. of November 8. daies after I was commited by Cant. to the Gatehowse I was sent for by one of his servantes to make appearance before the high Commissioners at Lambeth whither he and my keepers man Nitholas caried me There I found a very great traine without but within a goodlie Synode of Bbs. Oeanes Civilians etc. beside such an apparance of wel-fedde silken Preistes as I suppose might wel haue b●seemed the ●aticaue where after to my no smal greif I had heard a scholemaister deny his maister Christ I was called CAnterburie with a grimme and an angrie countenance beholding me made discourse how I refused to sweare on a book etc. as fel out in our first meeting and demannded whither I were now better advised and would sweare I answered that I would not refuse to sweare vpon due occasion and circumstances C. Wil yow then now sweare B. I must first know to what C. So yow shal afterward B. I wil not sweare vnlesse I know before C. Wel I wil thus far satisfie your humour London begā to interrupt but Cant cut him of and produced a paper of obiections against me which he delivered to one Beadle to read It conteyned much matter and many suggestions against me disorderly framed according to the malitious humour of mine accuser as that I denyed God to haue a true church in England and to proue this the 4. principal causes framed in way of argumēt as the worship of God with vs is jdolatrie ergo no true church They haue an Antichristian and jdolatrous ministerie ergo no true church ffurther he saith that the reverend father in God my lords grace of Cant. and al the Bps. of the land are Antichristes ffurther he saith that al the ministers in the land are theeues and m●●therers and secret hypocrites and that al the preachers of the land are hirelinges That Mr. Wiggington and Cartwright straine at a gnat and swollow a camel ●●urther he 〈…〉 a● writers as ●a●vin Beza etc. and saith that al catechismes are idolatrous and not to be vsed The reasons to these were vntrulie and disorderley set downe accordingly in the bil which I cannot rehearse L. How say yow Mr. Deane of Pauls here is for yow yow haue written a catechisme Cant. This fellow dea●es indifferently he makes vs al alike Thus far haue I satisfied yow now yow know what yow shal sweare vnto how say yow wil yow sweare now Lond. My Lordes grace doth not shew this favour to many Can. ffetch a book Bar. It is needles C. Why wil yow not sweare now B. An oath is a matter of great importance and requireth great consideration But I wil answer yow truly Much of the matter of this bil is true but the forme is false C. Goe to sirra answer directlie wil yow sweare reach him a book B. Ther is more cause to sweare mine accuser I wil not sweare C. Where is his keeper yow shalnot prattle here Away with him clap him vp close close let no man come at him I wil make him tel an other tale per I haue done with him Ther was an article against me in the bil for saying that I thought Elders were Bisshops and Philip. 1. 1. produced here by I plainly discouer mine accuser to be Thornelie of Norwich with whom I had communication at Ware as I rode to London and never talked with any other about this matter THe effect and so neere as my fraile memorie could cary away the very wordes of such interrogatories and answers as were demāded of and made by me Henry Barrowe before certeyne Commissioners ther vnto especially appointed by her Maiestie namely the two L. cheef Justices the maister of the Rolles the L. cheef Baron and another Baron of the Exthequor I thinck Baron Gente togither with the Arch B. of Cant the B. of London the B. of Winchester certaine of their Chan●ellors and ●●uil Doctors with their Registers and Scribes The 24. of March I being brought before the Arch B of Cant he made knowne vnto me that they were authorised by her Maiestie to examine me vpon my oath vpon certaine interrogatories and therfore called for a booke ther was brought a great bible in folio faire bound which the Arch B. refused and called for an other which was held to me by 〈…〉 Bar. To what ende Cant. To sweare B. I haue not learned to sweare by any creatures Cant. This is the word of God the Bible B. I began to open the book and meant in deed to haue asked him if the Apocrypha scripture and notes which were in it were the word of God but Cant. belike suspecting some such matter would not suffer me to look into it to whom then I answered that that booke was not the eternal Word of God that eternal God himselfe by whom onely I must sweare and not by any bookes or Bibles Cant. So yow shal sweare by God Bar. To what purpose then is this booke vrged I may sweare by nothing besides him nor by nothing with him Winch. How proue yow that B. It is so commanded in the book of the law Deut. 6. and 10. Chapt. so expounded by sundrie of the prophets by Christ himselfe and his Apostles Cant. Wel wil yow sweare that yow wil answer nothing but the truth and the whole truth to such Interr as we shal demaund of yow B. I haue learned to know the matter before I either sweare or answer Cant. Set downe that he wil not sweare L. E. Justice Yow shal onely sweare to answer the truth if any vnlawful thing be demaunded of yow yow need not answere B. My Lord euery truth requireth
sinne Q. Whither may the Prince make lawes in the gouerment of the church or no A. The Scripture hath set downe sufficient lawes for the worship of God and gouerment of the church to which no man may adde or diminish Q. What say yow to the Princes supremacie is her maiestie supreme head of the church ouer al causes as wel ecclesiastical as temporal A. A supreme magistr●●● ouer al persons to punish the euil and defend the good Q. Euer al causes etc. A. No Christ is onely head of his church and his lawes may no man alter Q. The pope giueth th●● much to the Prince A. No that he doth not he setteth himself aboue Princes ●nd exempteth his preisthod from the magestrates sword Q. What say yow to the oath of the Queenes supremacie wil yow answer to it If these ecclesiastical orders be meant such as be agreeable vnto the scriptures I wil for I deny al forreigne power Q. It is meant the order and government with al the lawes in the church as it is now established A Then I wil not answer to approue thereof A breif summe of the examination of John Penrie by the right worshipful Mr. Fanshaw and Mr. Justice Young the 10. of the fourth moueth April 1593. Fansh IT is strange vnto me that yow hold such opinions Penry as none of the learned of this age or any of the martyrs of former times mainterned Can yow shew any writers either old or new that haue bene of your iudgement Penr I hold nothing but what I wilbe bound to proue out of the written word of God and wil shew in regard of the special pointes controverted to haue bene mainteyned by the holy martyrs of this land who first assailed the Babylonis● Romane kingdome as namely by Mr. Wicliffe Mr. Brute Mr. Purvey Mr. White etc. with many other the famous witnesses and martyrs of Christ in former times and by Mr. Tindal Mr. Lambert Mr. Barnes Mr. Lat●●er etc. the lordes most blessed witnesses of this latter age I spea● nothing here of the doctrine and practise of the reformed churches mother countries whom I haue wholly of my side in the controversies of greatest moment F. But doe the martyrs teach yow that ther is no church of Christ in England P. If yow meane by a church as the most doe that publick profession wherby men doe professe saluation to be had by the death and righteousnes of Jesus Christ I am free from denping any church of Christ to be in this land for I know the doctrine touching the holy trinitie the natures and offices of the Lord Jesus free iustification by him both the Sacramentes etc. published by her maiesties authoritie and commaunded by her lawes to be the Lordes blessed and vndoubted truthes without the knowledge and profession wherof no saluation is to be had F. Seing yow acknowledge that her maiestie hath established the truth in so many weightie pomtes seing she hath commaunded the true Sacramentes to be administred what mislike yow in our church and why wil yow not be partaker of these truthes and Sacramentes with vs. P. I mislike 1. the false ecc●estastical offices 2. the manner of caling vnto the offices 3. a great parte of the workes wherin these false officers are imployed 4. the maintenance or livinges wherby they are mainteyned in their offices al which I wilbe bound to proue by the Lords helpe to be deriued not from Jesus Christ but from the kingdome of Antichrist his great enemie And therfore for as much as I cannot be partaker of the former holy thinges of God but I must be subiect vnto the power of Antichrist in these officers and knowen by those markes wherby his subiectes are noted therfore I am enforced and bound to seek the comfort of the word and Sacramentes wher I may haue them without the submitting of my self vnto any ecclesiastical power in religion saue onely vnto that which is deriued from Christ Jesus the Lord in whom al fulnes of power dwelleth Col. 1. 19. and from whom al those must deriue their power and office vnto whom the saintes of God are to submitte their consciences to be wrought vpon in religion Againe seing the forenamed 4. enormities of this church are markes which properly belong vnto the kingdome of the Beast viz. of the Romane Antichrist we dare not haue any communion and fellowship with them nor be knowen by them least we should be partakers of those most fearful and most dreadful iudgementes which are denounced by the spirit of God against al those that haue communion with any of the irreligious inventions of that Beast Reuel 14 9. 10. These are the thinges togither with the want of Christes true order which I especially mislike and the special causes why I dare not ioyne with the assemblies of this Land 1. the false offices wherby these assemblies are guided and by whom the whole worship is performed in them 2. their manner of caling 3. a great part of the devised workes wherin these officers are conversant 4. the livinges consecrated sometimes vnto Idols for the most part wherby they are susteyned in their offices F. What offices meane yow P. I meane the offices of Lord Arch Bbs. and Bbs. Archdeatons Commissaries Chancellors Oeanes Canons Prebendaries Preistes Deacons etc. Al which properly belong to no other bodie either 〈…〉 or 〈…〉 but onely vnto the Romish Church wh●●● they were first invented where they now are and by whom they were left in this lande when the head of that body the Pope and some other of his members were cast out by her maiestie and our soueraigne Lord her noble father The church of Christ is perfect without them in al her offices the ciuil state is absolute without them for they are ecclesiastical Heathen idolatrie hath them not and requireth them not onely the kingdome of Antichrist can in no wise be whole and entire without them wherof as I say they are visible and knowne members Now if it be not lawful for me or any other member of Christ to be subiect vnto the orders and cerimonies of the old law as circumcision etc. Which sometimes were the Lordes owne blessed ordinances how can it be but sin vnto vs to be subiect to the constitutions of Antichrist the maine adversarie of the Lo. Jesus The Lord hath not deliuered vs from the Yoke of his owne law that we should be in bondage vnto the inventions and order of Antichristes kingdome and offices F. Belike yow would haue no other offices in the church now in the time of peace and prosperitie then were in the Apostles dayes vnder persecution P. Ther is great reason we should not for if the order left by Moses in the church was not to be altered to be diminished or added vnto except it were by special commaundement from the Lord 1. Chron. 28 19. then may not any man or Angel but upon the same warrant adde any thing vnto that holy forme which the sonne of
The Examinations of Henry Barrowe John Grenewood and John Penrie before the high commissioners and Lordes of the Counsel Penned by the prisoners themselues before their deathes Ther is nothing couered that shal not be reuiled neither hid that shal not be knowen Luke 12. 2. ffor euery worke God himself wil bring Vnto iudgement with euery secret thing whither good or euil Eccles 2. 14. THe testimonie and sufferings of the prisoners whose examinations here ensue cannot easilie gentle reader be forgott●̄ of and whose harte is touched with care of religion and zeale of the truth How weightie the. causes were for which they suffered may appeare par●●ie by that which foloweth but Here hast thow the maner of the Prelates proceding against them and how they were convicted of theyr Brownisme ●onatisme ●na●●ptis●●ie S●hisme Heresie etc. wherwith they were charged and for which they were so 〈…〉 yeeres kept in miserable close prisons and at last bereaued of their liues Sure whosoeuer had bene the persons and whatsoeuer the er●ours it would wel ●aue become the Lord Arch ● of the church of England to haue better instructed and informed them by the ●●●rd of truth and w●●l●o●e doctrine before they had bene adiudged to prison and death ● Tim. 2 24 25. and 4 2. ●it 2 1. Or if Pauls counsel could not take effect yet Pilates example might haue stayed such courses who examined our Lord Christes accusers and found them false and neuer sent him to close prison for refusing to sweare to accuse him self Mat. 27. Luk. 23. Joh. 18. Neither yet did the late prelates in Q. Maries dayes vse ●ltogither such severitie for Bonnet him self with the other tyrants of that 〈…〉 e ●ad often conference and disputation with the Ma●●yrs and sought by scriptures to haue ouerthrowen them if they could Euil therfore haue our 〈◊〉 provided for their cause and credit so slightly to deale in matters of such moment and to proceed to such s●●ere to r●ures before more open and orderly conviction of the faultes and ercours Loe now al posterities shal see their practises and though they haue spilt the blood of those men which vered them so fore yet can they not bereaue the world of their testi●●●ie which ●y word and writing they haue left behinde them The lord giue these men if they belong vnto h●● to ad●●●t and see their dealinges and to remember the account which they ere long shalbe called vnto before him who is ready to iudge quick and dead The publishing of these thinges can not iustly be offensiue to any seyng 1. nothing 〈◊〉 is here set downe but that which was then demaunded and answered as neere as the prisoners could remember 2. And they which haue themselues set forth the examinations of 〈…〉 heretofore may not be greened now when theyr owne turne is come and their proceedings made knowne likewise they which doe wel need not shunne the light How ever it be the church of God I doubt not shal reap some profit hereby for which how 〈…〉 so euer it be let h●● haue the praise Amen Abrief of the examination of me Henry Barrowe the 19. of Nouember 1586. Before the Arch B. Arch D. and Dr. Cussins as neere as my memorie could cary being at Lambeth THis 19. being the Lords day betwene 9. and 10. oft the clock in the fore noone M●●ul and I went vnto the Clinke to visit M● Grenewood and the other brethren there emprisoned where we had not bene the space of one quarter of an howre but Mr. Shephe●d the keeper of the prison came vp rebuked Mr. Grenewood and stayed me saying he had commandement from his Lords grace so to doe I demanded a sight of his warrant he answered that he would doe it and I might afterward if I were wronged bring mine action So he locked me vp in prison and forthwith went to his Lords grace to Lambeth About one of the clock he returned and brought with him 2. pursuvantes I was forthwith put into a boat and caried to Lambeth By the way one of the pursuvants called Watson drew out of his boso●● a letter from the court of Lambeth vnto me saying how he had a long time sought me I told him his paynes deserved thanks neither at Gods handes nor mine I refused his letter and said that I obeyed neither it nor him neither would I read it shewing how I was vnder the arrest of the keeper of the Clinke who sate by me Wel we arrived at Lambeth wher after I had perused the B. his state I was brought into his presence chamber yet not vntil this Watson had prevented me and shewed his maister what had passed in the boat Arch B. Barrowe is your name Barrowe B. Yea. A. It is told me that yow refuse to receiue or obey our letter know yow what yow doe it is from the high commissioners and this man a pursuvant B. I refused to receive or obey that letter at that time A. Why so B. Because I was vnder arrest and imprisoned without warrant and against law and therfore now it was too late to bring the letter A. Why may not a Counsellor commit to prison by his bare commandement alledging how the Aldermen of London doe daily B. That is not the question what a counsellor may doe but whither this man may doe it without warrant by the law of the land pointing to the keeper of the Clinke A. Know yow the law of the land B. Very litle yet was I of Grayes Inne some yeares Then his two Doctours and he decided mine vnskilfulnes Let this passe I look for litle help by law against yow I pray yow why haue yow imprisoned me and after this manner sent for me A. That yow shal know vpon yowr oath wil now sweare B. I hold it lawful to sweare so it be done with due order and circumstances A. Reach a book hold it him B. What shal we doe with this A. Lay your hand vpon it man B. To what purpose A. To sweare B. I Vse to sweare by no bookes A. Yow shal not sweare by the book but by God oncly B. So I purpose when I sweare Cus Did yow neuer take an oath at an Assise before the Judges there B. No. Cus But would yow refuse there to lay yowr hand on a book and sweare B. Yea. C. Then would your testimonie not be taken A. Why man the book is no part of the oath it is but a cerimonie B. A needlesse and wicked ceremonie A. Why know yow what yow say know yow what book it is it is the Bible B. I wil sweare by no Bible C. Scismaticks are clamorous alwayes it is a perpetual note to know them by A. M r. D r. Cussins saith true such were the Donatistes alwayes in the counsels and such art thow and al other scismatiks such as thow art B. Say yowr pleasure God forgiue yow I am neither scismatike nor clamourous I answer but yowr demandes if yow wil I wil be