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A04540	A Christian plea conteyning three treatises. I. The first, touching the Anabaptists, & others mainteyning some like errours with them. II. The second, touching such Christians, as now are here, commonly called Remonstrants or Arminians. III. The third, touching the Reformed Churches, with vvhom my self agree in the faith of the Gospel of our Lord Iesus Christ. Made by Francis Iohnson, pastour of the auncient English Church, now sojourning at Amsterdam in the Low Countreyes.	Johnson, Francis, 1562-1618.	1617 (1617)	STC 14661; ESTC S107828	395,581	331

haue also shevved that euen the church of Rome is the church and Temple of God as Iudah likevvise and Israell of old vvere in the time of their apostasies How much more then should we so esteem of the church of England yea and of the Lutherans vvho haue in so many things novv left the apostasie of the church of Rome and haue received the doctrine of justification by faith in Christ alone vvith many other precious doctrines of truth that are yet still miserably depraved and corrupted among the Papists But hereupon some object and say If they be the church of God none may leaue them it is schisme for any to leaue those that are the churches and people of God and vvhy then doe you not continew Ministers and members there still c. First to this objection I haue ansvvered before pag. 116 c. To vvhich I referre the Reader as also to that which M. Iunius hath written concerning this matter as may be seen here before pag. 184 186. Secondly if this objection were sound then might none leaue the present estate of the church of Rome seeing they are the church and Temple of God as before hath ben declared Yet the men that doe thus object haue many of them left it themselues And M. Iunius shevveth that both these may stand vvel together to esteem it to be the church of God and yet to leaue forsake it in their estate yea that it is our duty so to doe But in deed to note this by the vvay wel may it be that some Protestant writers otherwise of great good judgment haue heretofore the more denied it to be the Church of God because they thought if that were granted it vvould then follow to be schisme for any to leaue it as the Papists themselues are vvoont usually to object But the consequence is not good as is shewed before by the Scriptures and examples both in Iudah and Israell c. Pag. 116. Thirdly in a Church there are tvvo things specially that are still to be respected the faith and the order thereof Col. 2 5. For touching the worship of God therein it may in divers respects be referred to the one or to the other or to both of them Novv for the Faith which is in Christ alone to salvation we acknowledge that they professe it soundly and in the unity thereof vve also hope our selues to be saved with them and therefore albeit they intreat deale yll with us sundry vvaies yet we hold them to be our brethren in the Lord and in the faith of his Gospell But as for the churches order worship and government ecclesiasticall vve hold and professe that they stand yet still greatly corrupted and transgressing the second commandement many waies As namely ‡ Of these more particularly see in the Apologie and other Treatises of ours also in the Treatise here following touching the reformed churches in their Prelacie and inferiour ministerie in their Canons Constitutions and Worship devised and imposed by man especially in the Book of common prayer according to which all the ministers and people of that Church are enjoyned to minister and partake of the holy things of God had among them vvherein are corruptions not a few that are also observed and written against † The Abridgement of the Ministers book of Lincolne Diocesse The Survey of the book of Common praier c by divers of themselues besides the refusal opposition persecution of the trueth vvhich hath now a long time very often many vvaies benshewed unto them c. And yet more specially that the particular churches ministers thereof stand not as the primitue Churches and Pastors did immediately under Iesus Christ the Archpastor as touching their ecclesiasticall constitution but under another spirituall authoritie and Prelacie devised by man neyther haue povver in themselues as now they stand to receiue and practise all the ordinances of God to redresse all errors and corruptions that are manifested unto them by the vvord of God as the Pastors and Churches aforesaid had Which things standing thus hereby may appeare that none can stand Ministers or members of the Church aforesaid in their estate and performe the dueties thereof according to the Lavves and Constitution thereof but they shall sinne and transgresse the second Commandement Which the Lord that is a jelous God accounteth to be hatred of him and hath threatned severely to punish as on the contrarie he hath promised to shew mercy graciously to them that loue him and keep his commandements Exod. 20 4 5 6. compared with Lev. 10 1 2. Deut. 4 1 2. 2 King 10 18 31. 2 Chron. 19 2 3. Luke 19 27. Psal 119 126 127 128. Esa 29 13. and 65 2. Mal. 1 6 14. Mar. 7 4 6 7. c. Col. 2 20 23. Rev. 14 9 12. and 22 18 19. Fourthly which commeth to a like end vvith the former reason but yet vvill make it more plaine there are two things concerning the vvorship and service of God which we ought alwaies carefully to remember and obserue One that we ought to leaue and forsake all the inventions of men and more specially al the mixtures and corruptions of Antichrist the man of sinne in the service and worship of God And this not onely in things concerning the faith but in such also as concerne the order of the church Exod. 20 4 5. with Deut. 12 32. Iudg. 8 27. 1 Chro. 13. 15 2. c. 2 Chron. 33 17. Psal 119 101 113 128. Esa 30 21 22. Ezech. 43 8. Mal. 1 6 14. Matt. 15 9 13 14. Rom. 16 17. Rev. 14 9 12. and 22 18 19. The other is that vve obserue and practise all the commandements and ordinances of the Lord vvhich he hath once for all giuen unto his church vvhether concerning the faith or the order of the church and so consequently the Churches government vvorship ministerie ministration of all every of the holy things of God according to his vvord Exod. 20 6. compared with Deut. 12 32. Matth. 28 20. Gal. 3 15. Jude v. 3. 1 Tim. 6 13 14. 2 Chron. 13 8 12. and 19 8 11. Psal 119 101 128. Esa 30 21. and 33 22. Rev. 14 12. Which two things seeing that in the present estate of the church of England neither ministers nor members can obserue them nor be suffred peaceably so to vvalke hovv can it be but we must needs leaue that estate unlesse vve should still continew in sinne against the Law of God And hovv can that justly be counted schisme vvhich is our bounden duty to the Lord vvherein vve ought to obey God rather then Man Fiftly to make the matter yet more plaine let us put the case that some Kings and States vvould permit the Churches in their dominions peaceably to enjoy the ministerie of the word and the Baptisme of elder people among them but not of children urging those words according to the letter Make disciples

and baptise them Matt. 28 19. Or if of younger persons also yet vvould not suffer any to haue the Lords supper at all because of the many questions and troubles that haue ben and yet are among the Papists Lutherans and other Protestants thereabout Novv hereupon I would aske vvhether it should be sinne and schisme to leaue such an estate and to obserue also Gods ordinance of the Lords supper according to his institution Or if any vvould permit the use of it but onely under one kind Or if in both kinds to wit both with bread wine yet vvould not admit it vvithout the acknowledgment of Transubstantiation or at least of Consubstantiation pressing still those vvords This is my body c. Matth. 26 26. Or would not haue it administred according to the simplicity of the Gospell but as Princes or people did themselues like best to haue it Or admitting both preaching of the vvord and ministration of the Sacraments yet would haue al though never so profane and notoriously vvicked to be partakers of the Lords Table and not to be censured admonished debarred excommunicated c. Or would not suffer the people to chuse their ovvne Officers according to the word of God or the Officers not to performe the dueties vvhich God requireth at their hands but at the pleasure of man Princes or people or at least of the greater part of the people urging those vvords Tell the church c. Matth. 18 17. and All things are yours c. 1 Cor. 3 21 22 23. Or finally and summarily vvould not suffer the Churches the ministers and people to obserue whatsoever Christ hath commanded Matth. 28 20. but if they had the word preached would not suffer the seales of Gods mercy the Sacraments one or both to be enjoyed or if they had both these vvould not permit the Lords discipline to be had the censures and sanctions of his judgment according to his word and instistution c. Whether novv I say in these and such like cases we should not obey God rather then man and whether it be schisme and sinne so to doe Sixtly the church of England it self and all the reformed churches and Protestants at this day are charged by the Papists to be schismaticks for leaving the present estate of the church of Rome But are they therefore so in deed Sundry Protestant Writers haue shewed good reasons to the contrarie divers of vvhich being indifferently vveighed may be applied to the points case now treated off albeit withal I acknowledge great and unspeakable difference to be between the estate of these churches blesse God daily for the many good things had in the church of England for that they haue left the church of Rome For which see particularly of our ovvn countreymen D. Raynolds sixt Conclusion eyther in Latin or as it is in English joyned with his Conference vvith Hart pag. 666 667 c. And D. Willets Synopsis Papismi in fol. pag. 608 609. c. Lastly vvhereas Conformity is much urged and such as doe not conforme themselues are charged vvith schisme vvhether they remayne in that church or leaue the present estate thereof that they may keep the ordinances of God according to his vvord vve are still to remember that there is a double Conformitie touching the outward worship of God The one is that Conformitie of rites and order which the Lord requireth and prescribeth in his word The other is the conformity vvhich the lavves and constitutions of men ordeyn and require To the former all are bound and unto it the Lord hath giuen his promise Matth. 28 18 19 20. 1 Tim. 6 3 4 5 13 14. compared with Exod. 20 4 5 6. Deut. 12 32. Mal. 1 7 14. Where Piscator well observeth that in the outward worship of God there is required both a conformitie of rite agreeing with the prescript of Gods commandement and synceritie in all which performe that worship to the Lord. Piscat Observ in Mal. 1 7 c. To the latter we are bound no further or othervvise then as it agreeth with the conformitie prescribed by the Lord himself because vve must worship the Lord onely as he hath appointed in his vvord and as we haue the promise of his acceptance and blessing therewithall For which see the Scriptures aforesaid and Deut. 4 1 2. Psal 119 101 128. Esa 29 13. 30 21 22. Matth. 15 9. Hos 4 15 17. Amos 5 4 5. 2 Cor. 6 14 15 16 17. Col. 2 23. Rev. 22 18 19. Some other things perteyning hereunto see also before pag. 116 117 c. and in the third Treatise here following Now if any aske vvhether that Christians and Churches may not and ought not to beare one with another in their differences of this also I haue spoken here before pag. 118 and 119 c. the brief summe whereof is this that we may and should so doe vvhen the Churches and Pastors thereof professing the faith of Christ stand in their ecclesiasticall estate immediately under Iesus Christ having libertie power in themselues to receiue any truth and redres any error or evil as they shal be perswaded thereof and in the meane time doe not urge others to sinne in their owne persons but suffer them peaceably to practise and walk in the vvay and order which the Lord hath prescribed in his word Which if it vvere the estate dealing of the churches in England and other the like at this day the question would in divers respects be othervvise for esteeming of them and vvalking with them then novv it is And these are the things which I thought here to note by this occasion touching the church of England in regard of the points in question betvveen us the Anabaptists others to much overcaried that way Other things there are also good to be considered off as namely the divers degrees of Gods manifesting the truth and consuming of Antichrist with his apostasie the different estate and proceeding of the Angels spoken off Rev. 14 6 8 9 15 17. c. and 15. and 16 chap. c. the difference of ordinarie and extraordinarie estate and calling the divers consideration of spirituall and bodily or personall communion the distinction of Provinciall Diocesan and particular churches vvith the Bishops thereof Also whether the particular churches among them be not become parts and members of the Diocesan and Provinciall churches in their estate Whether the prelates bereaue not the particular churches of many rights perteyning unto them more particularly take away from them some speciall rights and dueties of the Pastors ruling Elders people and in some respects of al estates generally among them Finally whether such Ministers as haue left the corruptions of that estate and liue in Churches rightly established may not yet notvvithstanding upon occasion † 1 King 13 chap. Hos 5 9. 7 12. Amo. 7 13 Rev. 14 6. c. preach in the other churches aforesaid both to