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A54129 A defence of a paper, entituled, Gospel-truths against the exceptions of the Bishop of Cork's testimony by W. Penn Penn, William, 1644-1718.; Penn, William, 1644-1718. Gospel-truths. aut; Wettenhall, Edward, 1636-1713. Testimony of the Bishop of Cork. aut 1698 (1698) Wing P1274; ESTC R218266 58,772 142

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hardly to be supposed that we could intend so Gross a thing or that it is inferrible from the Manner of Expressing of ourselves in Reference to Christ's Manifestation in the Flesh Where Enough is said to Comprehend the Rest all is Meant though all be not Exprest We call him the Beloved Son of God the only Begotten of the Father Pray what is that short of being Conceived by the Holy Ghost To be sure it is very far from a Corrupt and Sinful Person a Supposition as remote from what we said as from what the Bishop promised viz. Charity He that Confesses the Word was made Flesh Confesses Him made Flesh by God and therefore made Holy Flesh For God never made any Corrupt or Sinful Flesh If the place is read as some do viz. the Word took Flesh the Flesh must be Holy for he would not take or dwell in Sinful Flesh And had the Bishop well remembred what he Acknowledged upon our Believing Christ to be a Propitiation for Sin not many lines before he could never have Suggested so unreasonable as well as uncharitable a conceit since Sinful Flesh or a Corrupt Person could never be any part of a Sacrifice for Sin So that in Commending that part of our Belief he has sufficiently secured us against this part of his Insinuation But the Bishop proceeds to Aggravate our Shortness in Expression to a Severe Imputation viz. that we own him not so much as Jesus or the Christ This must be a great oversight of the Bishop not to say worse when the very Fourth Head about Justification by Christ of which he declares himself so well satisfied Thrice confesses him to be Christ viz. in the First Third and Fourth Lines Again we call him Christ in the First Line of the Fifth Gospel Truth likewise in the First and Fourth Lines of the Sixth we call him Christ We do the same in the First and Fifth Lines of the Eighth and in the First Line of our Tenth Gospel-Truth How the Bishop came to miss in so Palpable a Point of Fact in the Compass of one half side of a Sheet of Paper I cannot Imagine and am unwilling to Censure Nor would I willingly think the Bishop so Trifling as Well as Disingenious as to Excuse himself herein because we do not call the Word that took Flesh by the Name of Christ in that place since the Bishop Repeats it from us out of our aforesaid Fourth Head about Justification by Christ where we call him by the Name of Christ as may be seen in the Second and foregoing Paragraph of his Reflexions Besides we have not Confessed his Name less than Nine times in that Paper But if the Bishop could yet insist upon the word Christ not being in our Third Head I say the Thing is there though the Word be not For what is Christ but the Word made Flesh and who is the Word made Flesh but Jesus Christ Again who is the Beloved Son of God but Christ and who else but Christ is the Beloved Son of God and Only Begotten of the Father full of Grace and full of Truth For these High and Distinguishing Characters are to be found in That very Head of Doctrine where the Bishop will not have us to acknowledge him to be Christ So that unless a Corrupt and Sinful Person can be full of Grace and Truth I wonder how the Bishop came to suppose a thing in our Name so very Gross But he proceeds in the same Paragraph You acknowledge indeed he died for Sin but you have not one Word of his Resurrection from the Dead or of his Ascention into Heaven which it may he proved some of you have expresly denied saying he is not ascended into Heaven he is in us With more to this Effect I should be sorry to tax the Bishop here of Absurdity and Uncharitableness but who can help it For if Christ be not Risen He is still in his Grave He is no more How then do we assert him to be a Propitiation and the Light and Life of his People See Gospel Truth 3 4 5 and 6. Can that which is Dead Sanctifie and Justifie Believers Can the Dead give us Grace and the Holy Spirit Or have we not said so of Christ that he is the Giver thereof And if we have said so must not the Bishop be Extreamly beside the business His Uncharitabliness is as obvious I will not say his Untruth but I must pray him to Reflect a little better upon what he has writ for unless he would make us to mean the Grave when we say that Wicked Men shall never come where Christ is gone Gospel Truth 6 he must allow that we acknowledge Christ to be in Heaven and Consequently Ascended What shall I say to his Story of some of our Friends whom he makes to affirm that Christ is not ascended into Heaven he is in us Can it touch us or should he have said it and not have proved it Is that fair and candid Is it Charitable Supposing it were true which does not appear Or is it Just to Insinuate it upon the People as Dubious But let it be never so true it cannot Conclude the People if not the Act of the People The Church of England has Doctors of very different Sentements would the Bishop think it fair the Common Belief of the Church should thereby be concluded It is true and a great and Comfortable Truth that Christ is in us according to 2 Cor. 13. 5. Gal. 2. 16. Col. 1. 26. 27. but not Confined to Man He is not so there as that he is no where else and least of all that he is not in Heaven For the Apostle tells us Eph. 4. 10. that He Ascended far above all Heavens that he might fill all things then he is in Man certainly So that our asserting that Doctrine of the Indwelling of Christ in Man does not make void his being elsewhere because he is every where Tho' in Heaven most Gloriously without doubt being there Glorified with the Glory that he had with the Father before ●he World began And they that Thus believe in Christ cannot deny his being at God's Right Hand which signifies according to Scripture Philip. 2 9 10 11. the Highest Exaltation Nor yet to be their Mediator for that is inseparable from his being their Propitiation So that tho we did not dwell upon Points but were Concise in our Expressions yet whatever is Implied or is Implicable from any Assertion Justice as well as Charity always grants and so wound the Bishop have done had they been Uppermost in his Mind when his Pen ran so fast against us I must own it was not writ for Criticks but for such Readers as the Bishop says he was or should have been to wit who Exercise Moderation and Charity more of which I hope he thinks as well as I will do him no harm But it disturbs the Bishops that we have said nothing of Christ's coming to Judgment nor
of the end of the World whether it be Dissolvable or Eternal For the first it is implied in our making all Men Accountable to God for their Deeds done in the World For the Other it was not under our Consideration being not objected to us But they that say as much of Christian Doctrine as we have done in those Eleven Heads of our Paper did never yet that I have heard believe the Eternity of this World Heb. 1. 10 11 12. Yet again says the Bishop Not a word of one Church which it may be feard you strike out of your Belief because you are resolved never more to return into the Unity of the Church but to make and maintain a Schism or Party for ever These are very harsh Constructions besides that they beg the Question and in my Opinion would have past better from a Person whose Office was less concerned in Charity than That of a Bishop But why pray must Interest and Obstinacy Rule our Dissent What 's to be got by it Profit and Preferment go the Bishops way I will not say he goes Theirs But why not Conscience tho' it were mistaken since we have been all along of the Loosing side which is not usually espoused by the Men of Interest nor are Men ordinarily Obstinate against their Interest Let us at least be Honest Men and allowed to mean well though we were mistaken But what Church of the many Churches in Europe is the Bishops One Church to which he would have us return He has not told us Methinks 〈◊〉 that censures our Shortness so much ●●ould not have been deficient himself in so material a Point So that if we are out of the way we must be so still for all the Bishop since we are yet to seek what Church ●e Err from or should repair to But I ●ill suppose he means his Own by which he excludes the Lutheran and Calvinist the Presbyterian Independant and Baptist as well as the People called Quakers from being of his One Church to say nothing of the Roman Catholick or Greek Churches But unle●ss the One Church as he phrases it by which I understand him to Intend the true One may be of two minds it will be difficult for him to recommend his own above the rest because that is not only broken in Sentiments but Practice too and which the Bishop knows is no longer a Secret I might mention the Differences warmly managed between the Doctors of it about Grace and Free-will one taking the Calvinist the other the Arminian way as they also do about the Doctrine of Satisfaction and Justification Likewise the late Controversie between two Famous Men of the Church about the Trinity who are followed in their differing Sentiments by great Numbers of the Learned of the Bishops One Church And for that Reason if no other I cannot be so well satisfied of his exact Correspondence with all the Articles of that Church himself And I hope I am not beside the business when I say it would very well have become the Bishop to have told us what it is he would have us believe when he found so much fault with what that Paper says we do believe It would be too long and perhaps he might think 〈◊〉 besides the business at least the brevity th● Case requires to give him the reasons o● our Separation and Dissent or Disagreemen● with the Church I put these Words together because some were never Members of it and so they could not properly be said to separate from it but true it is we may all b● said to Dissent or Disagree and I would think the Bishop should not be much to seek for the Reasons of it And yet where we are vulgarly apprehended to differ most we dissent least I mean in Doctrine which is the reason so many have upon occasion said as indeed did the Bishop at the Visit I made him viz. Why we believe the same 't is what we Preach as well as you For except it be the wording of some of the Articles of Faith in School Terms there are very few of them ●●ofest by the Church of England to which ●●e do not heartily Assent And this I have ●●prest for my self and in behalf of my ●●iends in my Key and Primitive Christianity revived But of this and the more material Reasons of our distance from the ●hurch I may have occasion to express my 〈◊〉 at the Closure of this Vindication But the Bishop proceeds in his Sixth Paragraph Nor have yon a word of the Resurrection of the Body which divers of you have ●●en known to deny and others of you only say 〈◊〉 may be so I shall consider this Immediat●ly upon the next Paragraph where he ●eats upon the same Subject and apply my 〈◊〉 to his conclusion of this Lastly Tho' 〈◊〉 acknowledge everlasting Rewards for them that fear God yet nothing of the everlasting ●unishment of wicked Men. I think we do ●nd that the Bishop aggravates his disinge●uity to us upon this Head For the Words of the Paper are these It is our Belief that ●od is and that he is a Rewarder of all them that fear him with Eternal Rewards of Happiness and that those that fear him not shall be turned into Hell The Scriptures are Heb. ●1 6. Rev. 22. 12. Rom. 2. 5 6 7 8. Psalm ●● 17. Now tho' Eternal is not joyned to Hell yet Justice as well as Candor would have understood it so and to mean the Hel● of the damned the Punishment of Evil Doer● after this Life according to the Ancient Common Belief But the Bishop that seldom fails to make the Worst of every thin●… for us Thus comments upon our Word● You mention Hell indeed but whether y●… mean thereby the Grave as most commonly in Scripture is meant or a Place of Temporal Punishment after this Life as some have don● or a State of total Destruction and Annihilation as many now adays do no One knows B●●… with the Bishops leave what if we mea● None of These may we not be in the righ● for all that For what if none of these an●● the Ancient Common and Scripture Belie●… what will the Bishop do then Since On● would think that one of them is the Bishop● Hell because he gives Us and his Reade● no more Room for our meaning or any other Belief of a Hell And either one of these is an Article of his Belief or else he keeps the true Hell to himself and was not so just as to include that in the Question with the rest lest he should be thereby guilty of supposing us capable of meaning the True One is our Gospel-Truths viz. The Worm that never dies the Fire that never goes out where is weeping and gnashing of Teeth for ever ●●e 2 Thessalonians 1. 9. Jude 6 7. And ●hich I think is none of the Three the Bishop mentions However he abundantly ●●●ws his Inclination to represent us rather ●●rong than Right in our Belief For