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A11882 A sermon against halting betweene two opinions preached at S. Martins in the fields, By Iohn Seller, Bacheler in Diuinitie Seller, John, 1592 or 3-1648. 1611 (1611) STC 22182; ESTC S113727 40,787 61

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Dauid there were manie true subiects of Dauid that went after Absolon to take his part in their simplicity 2. Sam 15.11 as the scripture recordeth knowing nothing whervnto the trecherous plottes of Absolon did tende So no doubt charitie moueth mee to thinke that there are manie in this Kingdome honest men blinded with some opinions of poperie as in the questions of the real presence or in the number of 7. Sacraments or in the doctrine of Auricular confession or some such schoole question not knowing or belieuing all pointes of poperie which indeed is the very mysterie of iniquitie Of such I say that in the simplicitie of their harts thinke of the Popes doctrine no otherwise then Dauids subiects did of the rebellion of Absolon I will not dispaire but verily hope that such may be saued notwithstāding their misperswasion in some points of religion which doe not destroy any article of faith and Christian beliefe But as for the rest of our wilfull recusant papists which both erre in the foundation hate the truth of the Gospell reuealed vnto them which hate instruction and stop their eares against the word we offer vnto them holding the infallibilitie of the Popes iudgemēt the vniuersalitie of his jurisdiction and power to dispose of the Kingdomes of the world which belieue free will to performe and to do the actions of vertue without assistance of speciall grace which holde and maintaine perfections of inherent righteousnesse satisfactions merites of condignitie propitiatorie sacrifice of the Masse which giue Gods honour to images maintaine iustification by works and such like of such I say I may without breach of charitie affirme that if they so liue and so die in the armes of the whore of Babylon they can neuer be saued Obiect But the Papists replie vpon vs and further obiect that if the case of recusant papists be such why then say they we must likewise condemne all our forefathers to the pit of hell who helde none other but the same opinions wee holde this day Solut Touching our forefathers we both speake and thinke of them as charitie leadeth vs to thinke we take not vpon vs to know either the faith or repentance of them that died before our time and therefore we commit their iudgement vnto God We say with the Apostle 2. Tim 2.19 The foundation of God standeth firme and sure hauing this seale The Lorde knoweth who are his and according to the scriptures thus wee belieue of them all that such as helde the onely foundation which is Christ Iesus in a true liuely faith were all saued although they built vpon this foundation chaffe straw or wood and doubt not therefore 1. Cor 3.15 but that manie thousands of our ancestours euen in those times of great blindenesse and corruption holding onely the same foundation Iesus Christ were saued and so died the seruants of God notwithstanding they were misled and carried away with sundrie errours and superstitions for want of due knowledge of the word of God which their pastors and leaders should haue instructed them withall But for a further answere to this obiection I say that the case of our recusant Papists liuing at this day and the case of our fore-fathers liuing in times of great corruption are not peers nor nothing like at all The disparison is this our fore-fathers liued in a time of great blindnes wherein there was a generall decay of learning wherin all good liberall Arts and learning were abolished The skie growing euen darke with the mistie fogges of ignorance when their pastours and leaders were not onely Sir Iohn lacke Latines but S. Iohn lacke honesties who could neither speake Latin nor reade English nor vnderstand the articles of our faith nor any part of the scriptures clowdes without raine lanthorns without light salt without sauour blinde guides dumbe dogges that as one saith seeme to haue their soules giuen them in steede of salt to keepe them from stinking and what maruell then if the people being ledde by such blinde guides became blinde themselues and fell into sundrie errours But as for our recusant papists they liue in the learnedst age that euer was since the time of the Apostles when as the word of God and knowledge of sauing truth was neuer so plentifull and flourishing as now it is Againe the errours of our fore-fathers proceeded of meere simplicitie and want of iudgement Lib. I. de bap cap. 18. Of whome I may say the same that S. Augustine saide of Cyprian and his colleagues erring in the doctrine of Rebaptization That if they had bene in his time when vpon exact and full discussion of things it was resolued otherwise they would haue bene of an other minde So verilie if our fore-fathers whose zeale was exceeding great and a religious care to serue God had liued in these latter times and had seene the true groundes of our religion they would most willingly haue embraced the same truth we professe this day many thousands of them in their life time desiring to haue seene heard those things which wee to our vnspeakable comfort haue both heard and seene And howsoeuer manie of our fore-fathers were in some points deceiued yet it is manifestly to be proued that the worthiest and best learned men in former times thought no otherwise then wee doe in all substantiall pointes of Christan beliefe complaining euen as we doe of the intolerable burdēs which the Popes laid on them in those dayes wishing the remouing of such things as wee haue remoued But as touching the errours of our obstinate and wilfull recusant Pap they proceed of meere obstinacie pertinaciously defending most dangerous errours Hee that is deceiued Cypri ad Iuba and erreth of simplicitie may be pardoned but after the truth is once reuealed who so neuerthelesse continueth in his former errours wittingly and willingly sinneth without pardon of ignominy as being ouer borne by presumption and wilfulnesse And this I take to be the very case of all our recusant Papists this day So great an oddes there is betweene simple errour and wilfull defence Verily for my part I am perswaded that there is neuer a sober and learned papist in this land that can denie if he will truly say and as he thinketh in his owne conscience but that we are come as neere as possible we could to the Church of the Apostles and Catholike Bishops which Church was sound and perfit and spotted with no kind of idolatrie and haue directed according to their customes and ordinances not onely the doctrine this day professed in the Church of England but also the sacraments and forme of common praiers and diuine seruice established here among vs the psalmes we sing are Dauids the bookes we reade are canonicall the prayers we make are consonant to the rule and proportion of faith and true godlinesse And so it appeareth that our whole leiturgie with great iudgment and reasonable moderation was purposely so framed out of the