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A86830 The humble petition of the ministers of the Church of England desiring reformation of certain ceremonies and abuses of the Church with the answer of the vicechancelor, the doctors, both the proctours, and other the heads of houses, in the Vniversity of Oxford.; Answere of the vicechancelour, the doctors, both the proctors, and other the heads of houses in the Universitie of Oxford. University of Oxford. 1641 (1641) Wing H3562; Thomason E170_4; ESTC R9252 19,567 36

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excommunication_n come_v not_o forth_o under_o the_o name_n of_o lay_v person_n first_o it_o may_v true_o be_v say_v that_o though_o it_o do_v come_v forth_o under_o the_o name_n of_o a_o chancellor_n or_o a_o commissary_n yet_o come_v it_o not_o forth_o under_o the_o name_n of_o lay_v person_n for_o a_o chancellor_n or_o a_o commissary_n be_v not_o a_o layman_n in_o this_o case_n the_o ordinary_a and_o he_o be_v but_o vnus_fw-la judex_n or_o rather_o whatsoever_o the_o chancellor_n do_v in_o this_o behalf_n he_o do_v it_o in_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o ordinary_a according_a to_o the_o power_n that_o be_v commit_v unto_o he_o a_o thing_n not_o unusual_a in_o the_o civil_a state_n wherein_o the_o lord_n chancellor_n do_v dispose_v of_o many_o thing_n which_o be_v original_o in_o the_o crown_n and_o again_o write_v testae_fw-la meipso_fw-la unto_o many_o particular_n that_o never_o pass_v by_o bill_n assign_v second_o no_o lay-chancelor_n or_o commissary_n whatsoever_o do_v at_o any_o time_n excommunicate_a any_o man_n or_o send_v out_o in_o his_o own_o name_n any_o excommmunication_n but_o this_o be_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n in_o refor_o in_o const_n eccle._n 1597._o cap._n the_o excess_n circa_fw-la excom_n refor_o the_o censure_a of_o notorious_a and_o more_o grievous_a crime_n the_o archbp_a the_o bishop_n the_o dean_n the_o archdeacon_n or_o a_o prebendary_a that_o be_v a_o priest_n pronounce_v the_o sentence_n of_o excommunication_n in_o his_o own_o person_n and_o in_o matter_n of_o less_o offence_n as_o contumacy_n in_o not_o appear_v and_o the_o like_a the_o vicar-general_a official_a or_o commissary_n that_o be_v not_o in_o holy_a order_n hold_v this_o course_n first_o upon_o knowledge_n and_o examination_n of_o the_o cause_n he_o adjudge_v the_o party_n worthy_a to_o be_v excommunicate_v then_o the_o minister_n associate_v unto_o he_o by_o express_a authority_n from_o the_o ordinary_a do_v pronounce_v the_o sentence_n of_o excommunication_n against_o he_o last_o the_o chancellor_n send_v to_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o parish_n where_o that_o party_n dwell_v require_v he_o public_o to_o declare_v the_o say_a party_n to_o be_v a_o person_n excommunicate_v by_o the_o sentence_n of_o the_o minister_n his_o associate_n and_o all_o this_o according_a to_o the_o form_n of_o the_o article_n set_v forth_o by_o her_o majesty_n authority_n anno_fw-la 1597._o three_o be_v not_o these_o execellent_a enormity_n maker_n that_o can_v find_v such_o a_o enormity_n in_o the_o name_n of_o a_o layman_n in_o who_o name_n notwithstanding_o the_o excommunication_n never_o come_v forth_o when_o yet_o if_o it_o do_v come_v forth_o in_o his_o name_n the_o nature_n of_o the_o thing_n itself_o be_v such_o as_o just_o can_v be_v reprove_v they_o be_v not_o ignorant_a that_o excommunication_n do_v proceed_v as_o be_v aforesaid_a if_o not_o in_o the_o name_n yet_o in_o