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A56283 A true and full account of a conference held about religion, between Dr. Tenison and A. Pulton, one of the masters in the Savoy Pulton, A. (Andrew), 1654-1710. 1687 (1687) Wing P4209; ESTC R7867 12,444 24

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Church and desired to know if the Dr. would stand to that Plea and be Judged by the Greeks If so A. P. would demonstrate to him That all the Opinions or at least the Chief which the Church of England holds in Opposition to the Roman Catholicks were Condemn'd and Anathematiz'd by Two Great Councels called in the East for that purpose since the pretended Reformation Here the Dr. said the Greek-Church had been Corrupted by our Missions which is far from being so they having been always of the same Judgement in those matters 10. Then he Appeal'd to the Bohemians A. P. asked Whether he would be Judged by them If so he wou'd sind how although agreeing in some Points not material yet in the Substance they much Dissented from the late Reformers who descended no more from the Romans than the Bohemians from the Apostles 11. Here the Dr. against A. P.'s will importun'd Mr. M. to come from the Window and sit by him beginning a private Conference with him which lasted some time A. P. not being able to obtain of the Dr. a Prosecution of the Question in debate the Dr. called for a Bible which when he would have opened I know not on what occasion A. P. said it was the Question in hand to prove that Book to be the Word of God Then he called for a Greek Testament and asked A. P. if he at least would allow of the Greek Edition A. P. reply'd he allow'd of it but from his hands could receive neither tho one nor the other unless he made it out better than he had done yet that it was the Pure Word of God. The standers by seeing A. P. reject the Greek Testament gave a little shout as tho' he understood it not but A. P. would have shewn himself a sufficient Master of that Language had he not been resolv'd to give no occasion of diverting the Discourse from the main Point 12. Continuing therefore to urge the Dr. for a positive Answer he said in the end This Discourse whereby he call'd the Authority of Holy Scripture in Question tended to Atheism A. P. granted his Position and said it was true in their Principles who having taken all Infallible Authority from the Church there remain'd none for Holy Writ which was left to each Man's fancy to receive reject or interpret at discretion and urged the Dr. very pressingly to assign One Body of Christians which ever had held positively and negatively as the Church of England does And said moreover That if the Church of England were the True Church she must derive her Succession from the Apostles to that the Dr. Answer'd He must have a Library of 10000 l. worth of Books of shew it A. P. reply'd he believ'd it and added That had he 100000 l. worth he wou'd never make it out Here the Gentleman mentioned above in the second place putting his hand into his Pocket and taking out a little Volume said he would shew the Succession of the Roman Catholick Church at a much easier rate 13. Here A. P. was over-seen in letting the Dr. slip to a new Question upon the occasion of the Succession Where the Dr. deny'd that St. Peter had ever been had Rome to which A. P. reply'd That Calvin himself upon account of the general Tradition thereof granted that Peter had been put to Death at Rome tho' he allow'd not of his sitting there 25 years And although A. P. said it was nothing necessary for the Truth of our Succession that St. Peter should have resided rather at Rome than Antioch If the Dr. pleas'd he would make out to him how according to true Chronology he might have resided there 25 years and produced his Remarks relating to that Subject and asked the Dr. who had Planted the Christian Faith at Rome of which St. Paul speaks in the First Epistle to the Romans whereas it is certain St. Paul had never yet been there nor any other Apostle except St. Peter But the Dr. seeing A. P. forward to prove the Point passed to the Question of Transubstantiation and the Real Presence 14. A. P. seeing there was no Answer to be got to the main Question that he might not seem to decline a particular Controversy though he said That was far from the purpose intended yet he would yield to the Dr. and accept thereof Consequently to which he demanded who the Dr. would be Judged by in this matter He answer'd by the Universal Church A. P. demanded whether by the Universal Church now extant or that of the Four First Centuries If that of the Church now in Being he had at least Five to One against him But he reply'd That his Appeal was to the Four First Centuries Then A. P. desired all present to take notice that the Dr. would be Judged by the Testimonies of the Four First Centuries 15. Here mention was made I know not on what occasion of the Council of Lateran relating to the Real Presence when the Dr. asked abruptly what Pope had presided at that Council which not occurring to A. P. the Dr. was pleased to say he saw A. P. was a Man of no Reading to which A. P. reply'd The Dr. was under a mistake that he had Read all the Ecclesiastical History and had Volumes of Notes relating thereunto He added moreover That it imported nothing who it was presided that it was the great Council of Lateran where were Assembled near a Thousand Bishops Prelates and Abbots besides a very great number of Divines the Legates of the Kings of England Jerusalem Cyprus to say nothing of Neighbouring Princes The Dr. mistaken much more grosly than A. P. in Point of History deny'd That there were any from England or that the Four Patriarchs were there so much as by their Legates 16. Here A. P. perceiving the Dr. to begin to wander from the Question as it had been stated produced a Book which contain'd several Testimonies of Holy Fathers as also a Paper in English for the satisfaction of the standers by having moreover another Book in his Pocket relating thereunto Here the Dr. complain'd he had hard measure that he was come unprovided and excepting against Authorities cited out of Authors not at hand said let us take a Coach and go to a Library A. P. answer'd he was content But not to disappoint the Company he desired he would be pleased to hear the Quotations he had as he believed very exactly Quoted and asking of the Dr. whom he would be pleased to hear first naming several The Dr. desired to hear St. Ambrose whereupon A. P. read one of his 4th Book 4th Chap. De Sacramentis tu forte dicis meus Panisest usitatus Sed Panis iste Panisest ante Verba Sacramentorum ubi accesserit Consecratio ex Pane fit Caro Christi Hoc igitur astruamus Quomodo potest qui Panis est Corpus esse Christi Consecratione Which for the satisfaction of the Hearers A. P. read so in English You say perchance mine is