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A90966 A moderate reply to the citie-remonstrance; presented to the High Court of Parliament the 26 of May, 1646. Containing severall reasons why many well affected citizens cannot assent thereunto. Published according to order. Price, John, Citizen of London. 1646 (1646) Wing P3343A; Thomason E340_20; ESTC R200880 24,625 36

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private meetings of Christian people for prayer exhortation repetition of Sermons or any other laudable and Christian duty amongst the Saints in their private assemblies as sure we are your words doe import abhorr'd be your request by God and good men and the Lord prevent the Parliament from ever stumbling at that stone What you mean wee cannot tell wee would not desire wee doe not know what wee cannot joyne with you in this Petition 2. That all Anabaptists This is the selfe same et cae●●ra that was in the Bishops Oath and ●●ub●lesse the Episcopall party cannot but look upon this as the resurrection from the dead onely herein it differs they enjoyned men to sweare to what they knew this would have men resolve upon what they know not and so it is a step neerer to Popety Brownists Heretiques Schismalicks Blasphemers and all such Sectaries as conforme not to the publique Discipline established or to be established by Parliament may be fully declared against and some effectuall course setled for proceeding against such persons First Anabaptists Brownists c. in the Kings Declarations did alwayes intend the Parliaments friends and besides these whom you mean wee cannot tell Secondly if all such Sectaries as conforme not to the publique Discipline established or to be established by the Parliament must be fully declared against and some effectuall course taken for proceeding against such persons What shall become of our Presbyterian brethren which hold Presbytery to be jure divino and cannot submit unto Commissioners over the Presbytery though established by Ordinance of Parliament Surely the Remonstrants are not of that opinion but if they be their feet are taken in the same snare they laid for their brethren If this Petition should be granted our Presbyterian brethren as well as others must be suppressed and for that cause though no such allowance is given by them unto their weak brethren wee cannot joyne with you in that Petition 3. That as wee are all Subjects of one Kingdome so all may be equally required to yeeld obedience unto the Government set forth or to be set forth by the Parliament To resolve to submit to what wee know not in matters of Religion and to Petition the suppression of all that will not subject thereunto is against the principles of Religion and Reason wee cannot conceive a Parliament so religious so rationall will prove so irreligious so irrationall as to enforce the Subjects to stifle the light of their own Consciences and let God and conscience say what they will to sweare conformitie to the will of man in matters of Church-Government wee cannot joyne with you in this Petition 4. That no person disaffected to the Presbyteriall Government The Bishops to our best remembr●nce did never so publiquely make the like motion to the Magistracy of this Kingdom set forth or to be set forth by the Parliament may be employed in any place of publick Trust Wee judge our selves bound to leave that businesse to the Parliaments wisdome as supposing them best able to judge what is meet to be done in that particular If men prove faithfull in their trust intamperable by their adversaries succesfull in their worke untainted in their integrity courageous in their services c. such men are not usually after many experiences of such particulars put out of their publick trust though they should be an Army of Turks and why men should be discharged from their publick trust for so small a punctillo as difference in judgement about Church-Government nay so much as dis-affection to the Presbyteriall Government for that 's your expression we see no cause and truly if this desire should be granted as the case now stands the Parliaments strength would be much abated and the Malignant Rovalists very much pleased wee are none of them wee cannot close with you in this Petition 5. That this Honorable House will please to hasten Propositions to his Majesty for setling of a safe and well-grounded Peace amongst us after so long and unnaturall a Warre A well grounded peace is our hearty desires as well as yours but whether to be sought for by tendering Propositions from the Parliament to his Majesty the wisdome of the Parliament not wee must determine When a man meets mee to take away my purse my life if the combate be over and the party disarm'd and his weapons in mine own hands I will not indent how much he shall have to doe no more when the truth is he hath done his worst A well grounded Peace we desire with you the means hereunto wee leave to the Parliaments wisdome wee would not offend them wee therefore wave this Petition 6. That this Honourable House according to the Covenant and Treaties will please to study all meanes to preserve the Vnion between the two Nations of England and Scotland and to remove all jealousies which may endanger our mutuall agreement We close with you here with all our hearts and heartily pray that wisdome may be given to them from God to direct their studies to so good a work VII That this Honourable House will please to consider of some meanes whereby the priviledge which its Members their Servants and others enjoy by being protected and exempted from being proceeded against for their Debts may be sa qualified as that the Subject may be able to recover his owne in some due time This Petition implies a charge we will not at all intermeddle herein VIII That all publike Revenues and Receipts may be employed to publike uses that so the Taxes of the City may be abated We know no publike Revenues imployed at all by the Parliament of England for any other then publike uses and if this Petition may be altogether cleare from secret aspersions of our worthy Parliament we can fully joyn with you in this particular IX That the Estates and Compositions of Delinquents may according to the engagements by Ordinances of Parliament be applyed to discharge the great summes owing to this City and Citizens The publike Faith for the publique debts will be valid we doubt not and in due season will so appeare we hope they minde the main what ever becomes of particular cases due time will be time enough we durst not engage as the case stands with this Petition X. That the Plymouth Duty may be taken off the Trade especially now the West is reduced That poore Garrison is still to be encouraged Surely these are the last times when mercy and charity waxeth cold we utterly wave this Petition XI That the Committee at Haberdashers-hall may be presently dissolved or at least so limited and regulated as that the City may have no cause of complaint This Petition seems in the first part of it to favour Malignants we remember our Covenant wee cannot close with you in this the later is ours as well as yours XII That the reducing of the Kingdome of Ireland may be taken into consideration before the good party there be too farre
wasted and discouraged This is our Petition and prayer to God wee joyn with you here with all our hearts XIII That the Originall Letter of the Parliament of Scotland to this Citie may be returned Wee leave this to the Parliaments wisdome and shall not at all intermeddle therewith XIV That the City may enjoy the Militia fully as it was presented at the last Treaty at Uxbridge Wee leave that unto the Parliaments wisdome and God direct them what to doe therein we neither joyne with you nor against you in this particular but onely wave it XV. That Quarterman may be brought to some exemplary punishment for the affront done by him to the Priviledges and Government of this Citie When wee are convinced of Quatermains affront to the priviledges and Government of this Citie wee shall desire with you his exemplary punishments to condemne the innocent is a great abomination wee judge Quatermain so till the contrary appeare wee cannot joyn with you in this Petition XVI That the Lord Major of this City may be fully vindicated When wee once understand how wherein and by whom his Lordship was wronged we would Petition with you for his vindication in the mean while wee wave this Petition XVII And lastly and above all That this honorable House will please not to looke upon any expressions of this our Remonstrance and Petition as charging any thing upon this Honorable House or as intended to intrench upon any priviledge thereof but favourably to accept thereof and so to interpret the same as from a single and humble heart it is sincerely and without any by-ends or to comply with any Party whatsoever intended and breathed forth from the sad heart of the Petitioners who are overwhelmed with many feares on all sides And who call God the Searcher of all hearts to witnesse that according to their Covenant and duty their zeale devotion and obedience is as fervent and prostrate as ever to serve the Parliament with their Lives and Estates against all the Enemies of our Peace to conjoyne the Citie more and more to the Parliament and to maintaine the Vnion of both Nations against all opposers whatsoever This is an Apologie for the whole businesse and the truth is you have cause sufficient and we verily believe the like Remon-pray that wisdome may be given to them from God to direct their studies to so good a work VII That this Honourable House will please to consider of some meanes whereby the priviledge which its Members their Servants and others enjoy by being protected and exempted from being proceeded against for their Debts may be so qualified as that the Subject may be able to recover his owne in some due time This Petition implies a charge we will not at all intermeddle herein VIII That all publike Revenues and Receipts may be employed to publike uses that so the Taxes of the City may be abated We know no publike Revenues imployed at all by the Parliament of England for any other then publike uses and if this Petition may be altogether cleare from secret aspersions of our worthy Parliament we can fully joyn with you in this particular IX That the Estates and Compositions of Delinquents may according to the engagements by Ordinances of Parliament be applyed to discharge the great summes owing to this City and Citizens The publike Faith for the publique debts will be valid we doubt not and in due season will so appeare we hope they minde the main what ever becomes of particular cases due time will be time enough we durst not engage as the case stands with this Petition X. That the Plymouth Duty may be taken off the Trade especially now the West is reduced That poore Garrison is still to be encouraged Surely these are the last times when mercy and charity waxeth cold we utterly wave this Petition XI That the Committee at Haberdashers-hall may be presently dissolved or at least so limited and regulated at that the City may have no cause of complaint This Petition seems in the first part of it to favour Malignants we remember our Covenant wee cannot close with you in this the later is ours as well as yours XII That the reducing of the Kingdome of Ireland may be taken into consideration before the good party there be too farre wasted and discouraged This is our Petition and prayer to God wee joyn with you here with all our hearts XIII That the Originall Letter of the Parliament of Scotland to this Citie may be returned Wee leave this to the Parliaments wisdome and shall not at all intermeddle therewith XIV That the City may enjoy the Militia fully as it was presented at the last Treaty at Uxbridge Wee leave that unto the Parliaments wisdome and God direct them what to doe therein we neither joyne with you nor against you in this particular but onely wave it XV. That Quarterman may be brought to some exemplary punishment for the affront done by him to the Priviledges and Government of this Citie When wee are convinced of Quatermains affront to the priviledges and Government of this Citie wee shall desire with you his exemplary punishments to condemne the innocent is a great abomination wee judge Quatermain so till the contrary appeare wee cannot joyn with you in this Petition XVI That the Lord Major of this City may be fully vindicated When wee once understand how wherein and by whom his Lordship was wronged we would Petition with you for his vindication in the mean while wee wave this Petition XVII And lastly and above all That this honorable House will please not to looke upon any expressions of this our Remonstrance and Petition as charging any thing upon this Honorable House or as intended to intrench upon any priviledge thereof but favourably to accept thereof and so to interpret the same as from a single and humble heart it is sincerely and without any by-ends or to comply with any Party whatsoever intended and breathed forth from the sad heart of the Petitioners who are overwhelmed with many feares on all sides And who call God the Searcher of all hearts to witnesse that according to their Covenant and duty their zeale devotion and obedience is as fervent and prostrate as ever to serve the Parliament with their Lives and Estates against all the Enemies of our Peace to conjoyne the Citie more and more to the Parliament and to maintaine the Vnion of both Nations against all opposers whatsoever This is an Apologie for the whole businesse and the truth is you have cause sufficient and we verily believe the like Remonstrance was never known from the City of London to the Parliament of England You would not have them look upon any expressions in this Remonstrance and Petition as charging any thing upon the honourable House that is you desire them to throw by their understanding when they read your Remonstrance Though wee cannot joyn with you in this Petition to accept your Remonstrance and grant your