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A55712 The present state of Christendom consider'd in nine dialogues between I. The present Pope Alexander the VIII. and Lewis the XIV. II. The great Duke of Tuscany, and the Duke of Savoy. III. King James the Second, and the Marescal de la Feuillade. IV. The Duke of Lorrain, and the Duke of Schomberg. V. The Duke of Lorrain, and the Elector Palatine. VI. Louis the XIV. and the Marquis de Louvois. VII. The Advoyer of Berne, and the Chief Syndic of Geneva. VIII. Cardinal Ottoboni, and the Duke de Chaulnes. IX. The young Prince Abafti, and Count Teckely. Done out of French. Alexander VIII, Pope, 1610-1691.; Louis XIV, King of France, 1638-1715. 1691 (1691) Wing P3259A; ESTC R203184 56,532 108

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to conclude a Peace than that he believes it will be far more necessary and advantageous for them than for himself Cardinal Upon my word if that be all you need not give your self the trouble to enter into any Negotiation The Catholick Princes that are leagued together have too certain a prospect of advancing their own respective Interests to content themselves with such pitiful Overtures Duke I see you make no reckoning of the Advantage they 'll receive by uniting themselves with the King to exterminate the Protestant Princes and divide the Spoil between them Cardinal One must be a very insensible person indeed to be cajoled with stupid Rhetorick The Protestant Princes are at present the right Arm of the Emperour to defend him against the Encroachments of your King How then can he be perswaded to sacrifice them I wish you would inform me what the House of Austria were able to do without the Assistance of the Prince of Orange the Hollanders the Electors and other Protestant Princes Don't they sustain the greatest part of the Burthen of the War and since with all these Forces she finds it difficult enough to resist your King what would she do I pray if she were deprived of all these Supports Duke But if the Hereticks were once destroyed the House of Austria would enrich herself with their Spoils and all their Forces would become hers Cardinal That would not be amiss I own if she were to reap all the benefit but would not your King do you think come in for his share of the Spoils Is it not very certain that being the strongest by much he would reserve the Lion's Portion for himself And so then when the House of Austria would fortifie her self on one side your King would do the same on the other in such manner that this new acquired Power would be ten times worse ballanced than it is at present After all when every thing comes to be considered 't is the Emperour's Interest not to suffer the Protestants to be run down at least under the present Exigences If that House should find it self in process of time as powerful as it has formerly been why then she may think of Extirpating Heresie But then 't is to be feared the Hereticks also would change sides and that in order to keep the Scales even they would make their Applications to France Therefore you must never think of separating the Catholick Princes from the Protestants with whom they have made so strict a Confederacy But now to procure a general Peace what expedient can you find out to adjust the Affairs of England Duke This is without dispute the most difficult Point of all and I don't see how we could at the same time satisfie the King my Master and the Allies upon this Article if a particular Peace with the Catholick Princes were proposed Cardinal You say right 't is indeed very perplexed and is more embarrassing of it self than all the Pretensions of the other Princes the Allies 'T is not to be supposed that the Prince of Orange has a mind to descend from the Throne to which he was so deservedly elevated He must either perish in the Post where he is or maintain it still There is no middle way The Church and Catholick Princes would be covered with everlasting shame should they abandon a King who sacrificed himself for their common Liberty How then can this matter be accommodated I only see one way and that is to oblige the King of England to Abdicate his Crown voluntarily He has a Prince of Wales still to manage his Interests after him Duke I can assure you the King will never abandon his Allie and if a Peace is not to be obtained without sacrificing that unfortunate Prince he will by no means agree to it He has too great a respect for his own Honour to make so inglorious and so base a Compliance Cardinal You had better say for his Interest for all the World knows he never was guilty of Idolatry towards the former I can only add That 't is not along of him that the King of England was not established in his Throne but one cannot condemn in the same Breath the Levity of a Nation that had not courage enough to support their lawful Prince and the Cowardize of a Prince who durst not show himself before his Enemies Duke All these Reasons will not content Louis le Grand and all these Obstacles are not capable of diminishing his Courage The more the pain the greater is the glory Heroick Souls despise the Paths of Ease And dangers only whet the edge of Virtue Moliere l'Etourdi I dare pretend to Prophecy that you 'll see the next Campagn greater Efforts used to re-establish the King of England than hitherto you have seen If the Prince of Orange does not make a vigorous Opposition we shall send towards the beginning of the Spring either into England or Ireland Thirty thousand of our best Men to be commanded by a Marshal of France or some other General who has more Authority and Experience than the Count de Lauzun Cardinal Nay if it be so 't is to no purpose to think of setling a Peace in Europe Things are not yet ripe enough nor are Mens spirits so weary of the War as to desire rest so soon Duke I am clearly of your Opinion DIALOGUE IX The young Prince Abafti Count Teckely Abafti IS it then true that after all the Obligations you had to the Prince my Father you could be so horribly ungrateful as to enter those Territories which he left me with your Army to the end that you may render your self Master of them to my Prejudice Surely you have not forgot how serviceable he was to you at the beginning of the War when you declared against the Emperour of Germany You had as free a Command of his Troops as if they had been your own and perhaps if he had not espoused your Quarrel you would not be in a Condition at this present to seize that Principality which of right belongs to me Teckely You are much mistaken young Prince in talking so hotly with me and I would Answer you after your own manner if I did not consider that 't is not so much you that Discourses as the Germans in you upon whom you have made your self so slavish a Dependant You need not refresh my memory with the good Offices your Father has done me and though the end did not Answer the beginning since at last he closed with my Enemies and joyned his Forces with theirs yet I shall ever preserve the remembrance of his mighty Obligations because I am willing to attribute his last Failures rather to the violence of the Germans and meer necessity then his own Inclination If I have entred Transilvania in Arms 't is not so much against you as the Emperour for he is the true Master of that Province you are only a poor Titular Prince Besides you know the Grand Seigneur