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A66964 A discourse of the necessity of church-guides, for directing Christians in necessary faith with some annotations on Dr Stillingfleet's answer to N.O. / by R.H. R. H., 1609-1678. 1675 (1675) Wing W3446; ESTC R38733 248,311 278

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ordinationc_fw-fr institutam_fw-la quae_fw-la constat_fw-la ex_fw-la episcopic_n presbyteris_fw-la &_o ministris_fw-la anathema_n sit_v i_o say_v if_o such_o be_v his_o meaning_n here_o i_o have_v no_o more_o to_o do_v but_o congratulate_v with_o he_o the_o correction_n of_o his_o former_a error_n but_o in_o these_o expression_n he_o may_v mean_v only_o what_o well_o consist_v with_o his_o irenicum_fw-la that_o as_o the_o government_n by_o bishop_n be_v most_o ancient_a and_o apostolical_a in_o some_o place_n so_o the_o presbyterial_a be_v in_o some_o other_o and_o that_o not_o person_n can_v have_v sufficient_a reason_n to_o cast_v off_o this_o episcopal_a government_n in_o such_o place_n where_o it_o have_v be_v settle_v unless_o the_o supreme_a magistrate_n from_o some_o necessary_a circumstance_n think_v fit_a to_o alter_v it_o as_o the_o apostle_n he_o say_v in_o some_o place_n settle_v a_o presbytery_n in_o stead_n of_o it_o i_o say_v he_o may_v have_v such_o a_o meaning_n and_o if_o his_o former_a opinion_n be_v change_v herein_o perhaps_o he_o may_v have_v do_v well_o to_o have_v publish_v his_o present_a contrary_a judgement_n more_o full_o and_o clear_o to_o make_v a_o amends_o for_o his_o former_o publish_a mistake_n which_o else_o when_o a_o future_a opportunity_n may_v serve_v and_o power_n assist_v the_o inclination_n of_o contrary_a sect_n may_v minister_v argument_n afresh_o for_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o their_o abrogate_a the_o episoopal_a government_n and_o introduce_v their_o own_o and_o he_o may_v see_v what_o use_n the_o replyer_n to_o durel_n fidei_fw-la durel_n patronus_fw-la bona_fw-la fidei_fw-la have_v make_v of_o they_o already_o in_o defence_n of_o presbyterianism_n against_o episcopacy_n ib._n l._n 8_o we_o appeal_v and_o be_v ready_a to_o stand_v to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n for_o interpret_n the_o letter_n of_o scripture_n in_o any_o difference_n between_o we_o and_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n see_v before_o note_n on_o p._n 180._o l._n 12._o ib._n l._n 4_o but_o those_o who_o separate_v from_o our_o church_n will_v allow_v n●thing_v to_o be_v lawful_a in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n but_o what_o have_v a_o express_a command_n in_o scripture_n see_v the_o former_a disc_n §_o 88_o these_o separatist_n ground_n this_o their_o tenant_n upon_o scripture_n as_o they_o think_v clear_a some_o of_o who_o at_o lest_o be_v suppose_v to_o have_v use_v their_o best_a endeavour_n right_o to_o understand_v they_o the_o sense_n also_o they_o take_v these_o scripture_n in_o be_v very_o contrary_a to_o their_o interest_n and_o have_v bring_v great_a suffering_n upon_o they_o the_o point_n seem_v very_o necessary_a to_o be_v clear_a to_o they_o in_o scripture_n both_o for_o the_o right_a service_n of_o god_n and_o for_o the_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n must_v not_o therefore_o our_o author_n here_o either_o relinguish_v his_o 13_o principle_n or_o say_v the_o text_n be_v indeed_o clear_a on_o the_o separatist_n side_n or_o that_o none_o know_v when_o he_o use_v his_o best_a endeavour_n and_o so_o neither_o know_v when_o he_o mistake_v plain_a scripture_n as_o for_o the_o modern_a sectarist_n their_o appeal_n to_o the_o primitive_a church_n in_o the_o difference_n between_o they_o and_o that_o of_o england_n as_o the_o church_n of_o england_n he_o say_v do_v in_o her_o difference_n with_o rome_n see_v patronus_fw-la bonae_fw-la fidei_fw-la in_o causa_fw-la puritanorum_fw-la in_o his_o prodromus_n p._n 88_o 89._o where_o also_o he_o cite_v as_o on_o his_o side_n contra_fw-la hierarchicos_fw-la abeuntes_fw-la a_o primaeuâ_fw-la praxis_fw-la dr_n stillingfleet_n irenicum_fw-la p._n 66._o 67._o 68_o see_v also_o in_o fidei_fw-la patrono_fw-la p._n 4._o 5._o pag._n 182._o l._n 2._o which_o infallibility_n those_o of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n do_v challenge_v they_o plead_v only_o the_o infallibility_n of_o the_o church_n catholic_n who_o subject_n they_o be_v in_o her_o general_n 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