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A66448 George Fox digg'd out of his burrowes, or, An offer of disputation on fourteen proposals made this last summer 1672 (so cal'd) unto G. Fox, then present on Rhode-Island in New England by R.W. : as also how (G. Fox slily departing) the disputation went on being managed three dayes at Newport on Rhode Island, and one day at Providence between John Stubs, John Burnet, and William Edmondson on the one part, and R.W. on the other : in which many quotations out of G. Fox and Edward Burrowes book ... are alleadged : with an appendix of some scores of G.F. his simple lame answers to his opposites in that book quoted and replyed to / by R.W. Williams, Roger, 1604?-1683. 1676 (1676) Wing W2764; ESTC R26378 307,504 516

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who hath seen Sin as Sin the sin of his Nature his chief sin c. will see how far from the Doctrine of true Repentance true Faith c these mens Teachings be and for all their boasting what need they have to Examine themselves whether they be in the Faith and whether there be any other Christ Iesus within them then a Countersiet and painted Messiah and whether their Countersiet and painted Faith Repentance and Hope will yield them another Fruit then a dolefully Counterfieted and perishing Salvation At last by Gods merciful held I come now with their glad Consent to the seventh and last Position propounded to be discust at Newport viz. that their Religion was nothing else but a mixture of Popery Arminianisme Socinianisme Iudaisme c. Herein I knew I was not to exceed my quarter glass and there fore I take liberty now a little to inlarge to remember the Reader of the old Proverb that where God hath his Church the Devil will have his Chappel And that where Christ Iesus hath his Field of good Seed while the Servants sleep the Enemy will sow the Tares of rotten Doctrines and rotten Professors who like Windefals and Revolting Rebels fall from the holy Truths they have professed being loose aud weak believers or only affrighted and Terrified Hipocrites by Gods righteous Iudgement delivered over to listen too and believe Lyes as the only heavenly Truths of Iesus I had purposed to have shewed how in matters concerning God the Son of God the Spirit of God c. the Quakers have followed the Cerdonians the Priscillians the Valentinians the old Gnosticks and Manicheans but I Confined my self to the Terms of the Position and declared that the Quakers were downright Papists in many points some I then Insisted on and the rest 128 intended I shall now mention First In magnifying the rotten strength and Arm of dead and rotten Nature when it is Objected to G. Fox in his book that by Nature we are all dead in sins and Trespasses G. Fox Answers by d viding all men into three sorts Some are born holy from the wombe as Ier. Some the Saints that is only their Children born holy without any sinful corruption Thirdly the wicked who will not turn to the Light within them and they are only the Unbelievers dead in sin But the Protestants David and his Followers Confess their Natures Births and Conceptions to be all defiled with sin and with a sinful proneness to all Iniquity though miraculously some are Sanctified or set apart to God from the wombe as Ieremiah Iohn the Baptist c. Some after a more peculiar and miraculous manner as the Lord Iesus Some by New Birth and the wonderfal Supernatural Power of the holy Spirie Changing Regenerating and as it were New Creating the Soul and Spirit in Everlasting Unchangeable Holiness and Righteousness after the Image of his first and second Creatour It is true that the Papists come nearer the Truth as to Birth Corruption and Defilement then the Quakers acknowledging all ● be Conceived and born in Sin not that the Devil or the Papists care to acknowledge this Truth but that they may use it as a Cridge over which they may pass to the Necessity of Baptisme on pain of Damnation on which they may also build many other Superstitious Fanciee as to the holy Ordinances But the Quakers although they hold only their own Children to be Conceived and born holy without Sin yet they jump into one step with the Papists as to the Power of Nature in Spirituals ane that every man and woman in the world hath a sufficient Light within him to see God and Christ c. and to turn themselves unto them to Eternal Life Contrary to the Protestants who from the holy Scriptures maintain mans Natural Blindness and Darkness Ephes. 5. Mans Natural Deadness Ephes. 2. and that our wisdome can not difcern any Spiritual thing that is Spiritually 1. Cor 2. That our Quintessence of Nature our very wisdome is Enmity to God He hates us as we hate him and are at deadly fewd and mortal Hatred like two men of War 129 giving Fire one upon another we resolving to sink by Ejods side rather then to yield to God but God in Infinite pitty seeing our weakness and madness and certain Destruction hangs out a white Flag and offers a Parly on purpose to save us from our desperate minde Ruine which by many heavenly means of Free mercy he Effecteth The Papists speak more like Men and at last yield that men and Women have left them since Adams Fall power to listen too and obey Moral Perswasions and offers which God makes The Quakers talk only like Bruits of no means no means but Immediate Revelation of the Spirit and yet in Contradiction to themselves they make the Spirit an inward means and their Apostles or Messengers an outward means or else they make themselves idle Embassodors in vain and to no purpose The Protestants affirm from 2. Cor. 3. that we have not one good Thought but from God that it is God not we that turns the will Phil. 2. that when the Word of Faith is preached Rom. 10. and Faith or Belief is wrought by hearing yet is it Gods free Grace that makes the difference 1 Cor. 4. when several Hearers are Assembled and God opens Lidiahs heart and not others Acts 16. the learned Academians mock and only Dionisius and Damaris and a few believe because God sheweth mercy on whom he will and whom he will he hardneth The Papists and Quakers both maintain that dolefully uncomfortable and desperate Doctrine of falling away from true and saving grace The Truth is neither of them seem to know Experimentally what true and saving grace is It is true they differ the Papists make Saving Grace the Property only of the Regenerate The Quakers say it is in every man and Woman in the world they have it though they know it not and will not turn to it and believe in it yet both agree that they loose it whereas the true Protestants though they grant great Failings and Falls and Desertions of Gods Children yet they hold the Seed of God the holy Spirit and Word of God Isai. 59. and 1 Cor. 3. that Incorruptible Eternal Seed of which they are begotten never Final 130 ly nor Totally to be Ecclipsed and they justly account that Doctrine of Intercession viz. when Son-ship or Childship is cut off by Sin and Renewed by Repentance to be a simple Fantastical Notion as if David were a Child of God to day a Child of the Devil to morrow a Child of God this hour and a Child of the Devil the next c. only they fix this impiously upon mortal and great sins only as if Adam Eating of an Apple were not sufficient to his and our Destruction as well as Davids sinning with Bathsheba and Uriah c 3. I must be briefer