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A38571 Twenty-two select colloquies out of Erasmus Roterodamus pleasantly representing several superstitious levities that were crept into the Church of Rome in his days.; Colloquia. Selections. English Erasmus, Desiderius, d. 1536.; L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704. 1689 (1689) Wing E3213; ESTC R6620 185,131 300

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the Reason that the Good works of Monks caeteris Paribus are more acceptable to God than those of Other People because they spring from that Root Ph. We shall not make it a question in This place the Merit of a mans Dedicating himself wholly to God when he is no longer in his own Power Every Christian as I take it delivers himself up wholly to God in his Baptism when he Renounces the Devil and all his Works the Pomps and Vanities of the Wicked World and all the Sinful Lusts of the Flesh and lists himself a Souldier to fight under Christ's Banner to his Lives End. And St. Paul speaking of those that Die with Christ that they may live no longer to Themselves but to Him that is Dead for them does not mean This of Monks only but of all Christians Th. You have minded me seasonably of our Baptism but in times past if they were but Sprinkled at the last Gasp there was hope yet promis'd them of Salvation Ph. 'T is no great matter what the Bishops promise but it is a matter of great uncertainty what God will vouchsafe to Do For if there went no more to Salvation than the Sprinkling of a little Water what a Gap were there open'd to all sorts of Carnal Appetites and License When men had spent their lives and their strength in Wickedness till they could sin no longer two or three drops of Water would set all Right again Now if the same Rule holds in your Profession and This Baptism it would make well for the Security of the Wicked if they might Live to Satan and Die to Christ. Th. Nay if a man may speak what he hears of the Seraphique Mystery the professing of a Franciscan is more Efficacious than his Baptism Ph. What is 't ye say Th. Only our Sins are wash'd away in Baptism but the Soul tho' it be purg'd is left naked But he that is invested with This Profession is presently endow'd with the Merits and Sanctimony of the whole Order as being Grafted into the Body of the most Holy Sodality Ph. And what do ye think of him that is by Baptism ingrafted into the Body of Christ Is he never the better neither for the Head nor for the Body Th. He 's nothing at all the better for this Seraphique Body unless he entitle himself to it by some special Bounty or Favour Ph. From what Angel I beseech ye had they this Revelation Th. From what Angel do ye say Why St. Francis had This and a great deal more Face to Face from Christ himself Ph. Now as thou hast any kindness for me in the World tell me for the Love of God what were those Discourses Th. Alas those Holy and Profound Secrets are not for Profane Ears Ph. Why Profane I pre'thee For I have ever been a Friend to this Seraphique Order as much as to any other Th. But for all That you give 'em shrewd Wipes sometimes Ph. That 's a sign of Love Theotimus The great Enemies of the Order are the Professors of it Themselves that by Ill Lives bring a scandal upon the Habit. And That man does not love it that is not offended with the Corruptors of it Th. But I 'm afraid St Francis will take it ill if I should blab any of his Secrets Ph. And why should ye fear That from so Innocent a Person Th. Well well But what if I should lose my Eyes or run Mad upon t As I am told m●ny have done only for denying the Print of the Five Wounds Ph. Why then the Saints are worse natur'd in Heaven than they were upon Earth We are told that St. Francis was of so meek a Disposition that when the Boys in the streets would be playing the Rogues with his Cowl as it hung down at his Back and throwing Milk Cheese Dirt Stones at it the Saint walkt on Cheerfull and Pleasant without any Concern at all And shall we believe him Now then to be Chollerique and Revengefull One of his Companions once call'd him Thief Sacrilegious a Murtherer an Incestuous Sot and all the Villains in the world His Reply was only that he gave him thanks and confess'd himself Guilty But one of the Company wondering at such an Acknowledgment I had done worse than all this says St. Francis if God's Grace had not Restrained me How comes St Francis now then to be Vindictive Th. So it is for tho' the Saints will bear any thing upon Earth they 'l take no Affronts in Heaven Was ever any man Gentler than Cornelius Milder than Anthony or more Patient than Iohn the Baptist when they liv'd upon Earth but now they are in Heaven if we do not worship them as we ought what Diseases do they send among us Ph. For my own Part I am of Opinion that they rather Cure our Diseases than Cause them But however assure your self that what ye say to me is spoken to a man that 's neither Profane nor a Blab Th. Go to then I will tell ye in Confidence what I have heard as to this Matter Be it spoken without offence to St. Francis or the Society St. Paul ye know was endu'd with a Profound and Hidden Wisdom which he never publish'd but only whisper'd it in Private to those Christians that were perfected So have these Seraphiques certain Mysteries also that they do not make Common but only communicate them in private to Rich Widows and other Choice and Godly People that are well-willers to the Society Ph. How do I long for the Opening of this Holy Revelation Ph. It was at first foretold by the Lord to the Seraphique Patriarch that the more the Society increased the more Provision he would make for them Ph. So that at first dash Here 's that Complaint answer'd that their Growing so Numerous is a Grievance of the People Th. And then he revealed this further too that upon his Anniversary Festival all the Souls of That Fraternity and not only Those that were of the Clothing but the Souls of their Friends also should be deliver'd from the Fire of Purgatory Ph. But was Christ so familiar with St. Francis Th He was as Free with him as one Friend or Companion is with another As God the Father in former times Communed with Moses Moses receiv'd the Law first from God himself and then deliver'd it to the People Our Saviour published the Gospel and St. Francis had two Copies of his Peculiar Law under the Hands of an Angel which he deliver'd to That S●raphique Fraternity Ph. Now do I look for a Third Revelation Th. That famous Patriarch fearing now that when the Good Seed was sown the Enemy should come while men slept and sowing Tares among the Wheat they should both be pluckt up together St. Francis was eas'd of This Scruple by a Promise from the Lord that he would take Care that this Tribe of Half-shodd and Rope-girt People should never fail so long as the World endur'd Ph. Why what a Merciful