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A19569 A triall of our church-forsakers. Or A meditation tending to still the passions of unquiet Brownists, upon Heb.10.25 Wherein is iustified, against them, that the blessed Church of England 1 Is a true Church. 2 Hath a true ministry. 3 Hath a true worship. By Robert Abbot ... Abbot, Robert, 1588?-1662? 1639 (1639) STC 60; ESTC S100380 140,135 286

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by authority i● the face of the Church who of conscience ought to consent and beare witnesse to the doome First the act of an Apostle Deliver such an one unto Satan it may be that he might have power over his body to torment him as appeares in the Stories of Ananias Sapphira Elimas Alexander Secondly the act of a Bishop put away from amongst you that wicked person that being suspended from the preservatives of his soule in the visible communion of Saints he might have a way to bring him to godly sorrow And thirdly the act of every godly Pastour to mourne that if any be called a brother and bee a fornicator or covetous or an Idolater or a rayler or a drunkard or an extortioner with such an one eate not that is be so farre from countenancing of him in his sinne that yee take him not into unnecessary familiarity Now how from hence can be picked a popular government of the Church God knoweth I cannot yet reach But yet say the Brownists you may reach thus much to confound you that if Paul would not have you eate with such wicked brothers much lesse would he have you to receive the Sacrament with them for he hath more care of his owne supper than of ours This is certaine that God hath a greater care of his own Supper than of ours and therefore though he be willing that all should come both good and bad yet if they come and stay bad and hee come to try them they shall bee bound hand and foot and cast into hell It is certaine also that wee must have a great care of the Supper of the Lord as we can in our places private persons by private communion of Saints Presbyters by publike preaching by Word and Doctrine and by private exhortations as they can and Church-Officers by presentments and punishments fit But it doth not therefore follow because wee may not eate with them that is converse familiarly and unnecessarily with them that therefor we may not eate the Lords Supper with the Saints because wicked persons are there Their wickednesse we countenance when we keepe company with them our goodnes they countenance when they come into publike communion with us we have no need of their eating with us they shew their need of their eating with us in the Sacrament when we have no power to keepe them backe Yet say they still wee have power to keepe them backe for Paul speaking of the incestuous person saith sufficient to such a man is this punishment which was inflicted of many therefore the whole Church had power and used it against him It is true it was inflicted by many assessors and consēters to his doom but not as prime executors of that doome The Apostle saith that the Saints shall judge the world by way of life witnesse consent and approbation yet is it not Christ that is the Judge of wicked and good So though this punishment was inflicted upon him by many by way of consent and approbation yet was it primely inflicted by Paul and his authority in those that declared it Thus have I satisfied my selfe if not others in this point concerning the power of governement which lies not in all the congregation for execution and prime officiating but in the chiefe governours who beare the place of Paul and the other Apostles SECT 13. Brownists exceptions against the persons governing in our Church and against the exercise of their governement PVt case that the power of governement were not in every particular congregation yet our governours are not to bee allowed yea to be banished the church say they They are farre from the sweete moderate spirit of Melancthon one of the blessed reformers who so the Pope of Rome himselfe would have admitted of the Gospel of Christ in truth would have permitted his superiority over Bishops by humane right for the peace and common tranquility of christians under him But nothing will serve these people but the damnation of the Pope and the shame and confusion of all Bishops one and the other And there are three things principally in them at which they except and against which they stumble 1 Their name 2 Their degree 3 Their jurisdiction Why say they should they appropriate to themselvs this name of Bishops which belongs to all other Pastours as well as to them There is good cause for there are two sorts of Bishops first ordinary Bishops such as were all the Elders of Ephesus These must not bee blinde watch-men for if they see not they cannot oversee They must not sleepe and bee secure they must have a great care to keepe safe those that are committed to them that the enemy come not and sowe tares Secondly there are extraordinary Bishops such as have precedence jurisdiction not onely over the flock but over the elders and presbyters which are called Angels such were Timothy and Titus the first ordained Bishops of the churches of Ephesus and Creta as appeares in the postscript of those epistles Which though haply they are no part of the canonicall scriptures yet are they authenticall records of matters of fact to help our understandings in the needfull stories of th●se times without which we may think amisse From these they justly assume those names which have beene given to men of their order ever since the Apostles dayes But put case they could not make such aclaime if there be the office shall we quarrell about the names The first man that ever found fault with the name would fame have been a Bishop himselfe but when he found himselfe crossed he comforted himself with this that yet as he was a Presbyter he was equall with them But let no good Christians be unquiet for names if there may bee an agreement in things named The Apostles were called Deacons in Gods language yea and Christ himselfe who came to that end Christ is called the Arch-bishop and the Apostle of our soules The Apostles are called Elders and Elders were called Apostles and Bishops are called Angels What matters it then for names if wee can agree in other things But say they wee doe not agree in other things for these Bishops are in a degree above Presbyters and so there is an unequall ministery in the Church of Christ which should not bee Now surely they have had this from the Apostles dayes yea the scripture mentioneth a superiority in the ministery of the Church first Apostles secondarily prophets thirdly teachers And this is a sure rule that such a ministery as is most like the ministerie ordained by Christ it not being denyed unto us expressely or by consequent and another commanded may be lawfully maintained by us as Christs ministery But such is an unequall ministery in degree as Prophets Apostles Evangelists Pastours and Doctours one above another in larger authority gifts for those that were called
house though they bee worse then Peter in his worse part not walking with a right foote yea though too many of them bee as bad as Simon Magus who joyned to Philip and was baptized When God sent forth his servants to invite guests there was the calling of a church When good and bad that were invited came to the wedding feast there was their profession This made up a visible church though many were called and few chosen but left in their chosen wayes to their ruine When wise and foolish virgines came of duty to attend their Lord though five only had lasting oile and five had but lampes only there was a true visible church When the sower went out to sowe the word of God though some fell in the high-wayes and some among the stones some among thornes and but some in good grounds yet all these professing hearers made up a true visible church When a man sowed good seed and his enemie sowed tares or blasted corne which sprang up as from the same roote which must grow together till the harvest there is a true visible church When a net was cast into the sea and gathered together fish both good and bad good to bee reserved in vessels and bad to be cast away there also is a true visible church the kingdome of heaven upon earth The word comes and when it is received it makes the church by profession a candlesticke a citie set on an hill which cannot be hid especially when those that receive it are baptized which is the seale of profession As open profession of men who say they are willing to fight under the colours of a captaine and therefore take their military sacrament are a true visible army though many runne away in the day of battell so is it in the visible church which is as acompany of two armies Cains Chams Iudasses Simon the sorcerers and Demas their profession made them all members of the visible church with Abel Noah Peter Philip and Paul It is true that afterwards they either went backe or were throwne out by justice but the question is what made them members of the visible church and that was joyning in profession of the truth as the profession of the same trade art craft science or mystery makes men of such a society though some are more worthy and some lesse This therefore being Gods truth concerning the nature of the visible church and the Brownists visible church being coupled of many falshoods whatsoever they say cannot helpe their new church nor hurt our old church which is built upon the rocke the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles Jesus Christ himselfe being the chiefe corner stone SECT 8. Brownists second exception against us about the entrance into a true church NExt they object against us the entrance into a true church Wee should say they have entred into the state of a visible church by voluntary covenant upon knowledge to advance the kingdome of Christ and so to have a right to the name of a true church and to the priviledges of it for us and our children but wee were forced in our first planting by edicts lawes and proclamations and yet admitted members and our posteritie after us by baptisme even of such of us as are not members indeed Put case this great plea were true at first yet may not an after mending of what was first amisse rectifie and confirme all Things may bee ill done at first which being once done may bee of force and being well carried may end with a blessing A child marries without consent of parents and it is wickedly done yet when it is done and sealed with the bed by free consent shall it not bee of force Nay doe not parents looke upon their courses and if they see a good carriage and good successe doe they not like it well and follow it with their blessings Shall wee make God an harder master will hee not love Iacob though hee got the blessing by deceit God purposed him the blessing and though hee got not the possession the right way shall his purpose faile God forbid yea let God be true and every man a lyar Iacobs unbeliefe makes not the faith of God of none effect So might God deale with us Hee purposed to us the covenant of the Gospell and wee came not to it the right way yet when we are in it in the place where it was said unto us ye are not my people wee shall bee called the children of the living God Put case a childe bee cut out of the mothers belly and come not the ordinary way shal the father when hee sees it live and thrive deny it to be his childe and conclude it to be a bastard So will our God deale with us But why should wee grant them this wee failed not in our entrance they can never prove it by the word of Christ A true visible church may bee considered two waies in the planting and in the reforming of it How wee entred into a true church in our first planting God knowes we know not from his word The sound of the Apostles went into all the earth and their words into the end of the world The Gospel is come unto you saith Paul to the Colossians and to all the world and bringeth forth fruit and surely it entred to us as it should by some Apostle or Apostolicke men to make our ancient predecessours a true church Before we were without Christ now wee know him Before wee were without the covenant now wee are in by baptisme Before wee were no professours now we are and God shewes mercy to thousands among them that love him and keepe his commandements and is their God and the God of their seede But this is not the state of the question now Therefore for the reforming of a church God would have this course As it was with Iob hee was first of Gods making and next by Gods permission of the Devils marring when he was full of botches and sores scarce knowne to his friends and loathsome to his wife All this while Iob was a true man as he was before though clouded with some fearefull fits of impatience But when God would lift up Iob againe hee did not make a new Iob but reformed the old he cured and cleansed him that hee might appeare like himselfe and his end was happy So God dealt with the church After it had covenanted with God at first it wanted no botches it was fearefully overspread with diseases But when God would have it raised againe hee doth not build a new church but reformeth the old Hee shewes our forefathers where they were at a losse that they had the faith of Christ in the articles and the profession of it in publicke festivities but with fearefull superstitions and vanities Therefore hee puts into their hands and the hands of his ministers the word of his covenant