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A16562 Remaines of that reverend and famous postiller, Iohn Boys, Doctor in Divinitie, and late Deane of Canterburie Containing sundry sermons; partly, on some proper lessons vsed in our English liturgie: and partly, on other select portions of holy Scripture. Boys, John, 1571-1625. 1631 (1631) STC 3468; ESTC S106820 176,926 320

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Indices that the old writers are now no Fathers but their children no doctours but their schollers as reuerend Iewel obiected against his aduersary Dr Harding You haue sent them to schoole you make them speake your mind and not their owne 3. B Iewel Melancton and other of our most accuratly learned Diuines euidently shew that Popish opinions are nouell vnknowne to the Rathers for the space of sixe hundred yeeres after Christ Yea but say the Papists if our doctrine be so new tell vs I pray when and where these tares were sowen among the wheat in Gods field tell vs in what age Purgatory Prayer for the dead Indulgences Auricular confession and other assertions of Popery crept into the Church Answere is made by Christ Mat. 13. 25. While men slept the malicious enemie sowed tares among the wheat and it was not discerned vntill the blade was sprong vp and had brought foorth fruite Answere is made by S. Iohn In the forehead of the Whore of Babylon is written a Mysterie So S. Paul cals the working of Antichrist a Mysterie of iniquitie because the man of sinne doth couertly and cunningly wind his abominations into the Church of Christ. Answere is made by Polititians obseruing that corruptions are bred in ciuill bodies as diseases in naturall bodies at the first they bee not discerned easily but in their growth insensible they proceed till it come to passe which Liuie said of the Roman State Nec vitia nostra nec remedia ferre possumus We can neither indure the malady nor the medicine Was it not so in the Empire of Rome and might it not bee so in the Church of Rome S. Paul saith Heresie frets as a Gangrene the which is not curable till it bee knowne and when it is knowne hardly curable Answere is made by common experience when I see the finger of a Dyall remoue from one to two shall I bee so mad as to thinke it stands still where it was because I could not perceiue the stirring of it or when I behold the Lillies of the field in their glory shall I say they did not grow to the height of this beauty because I did not sensibly see how they did grow Answere is made by themselues the Rhemists acknowledge many barbarismes and incongruities in the vulgar latine text Issidorus Clarius a Spanish Monke professed he found in it 8000 faults it is plaine they were so manifest and so manifold as that the councell of Trent and after it Pope Sixtus Quintus and Clement the 8. tooke order for the correcting of it I would know then of a Papist in what yeare this and that absurdity crept into their text as Marke 8. 33. Confusus est in stead of Confisus est and Luke 15. 8. Domum euertit for Domum euerrit Againe Gabriel Biel a great Doctour doth acknowledge that he can not tell when the receiuing of the communion in one kind began to be first vsed nor how Alphonsus de Castro confesseth also that albeit hee had taken great paines to know when and how the people began to receiue first in one kind yet could not find it out Gregorie Valent a Iesuit of eminent note writes plainly quando caeperit minime constat and therefore what need wee tell them at what time this Popish errour was first sowen It is not enough that wee now discerne the tares among Gods wheat and proue that there was no such darnell in Gods field for many hundred yeeres after Christ I say no such stinking weedes as the single Communion of the priests halfe Communion of the people worshipping of the bread creeping to the Crosse kissing of Images exemption of Clergie men from secular obedience supremacie of the Pope the which are the most essentiall poynts of all the Romish Catholike beleife If by Fathers there they meane the reuerend Doctours assembled in the first Orthodoxall and holy Councels our plea still is the same that not wee but they remoue the bounds For albeit wee doe not with Gregorie conceiue the first foure generall Councels as the foure Gospels Yet we reuerence them and acknowledge that they conteine wholesome and godly doctrine and we thinke of other Councels honorably that write thus It seemed good vnto the holy Ghost and vs But not so well of those that write It seemed good to vs and to the holy Ghost Our opinion is Councels gathered together by the commandement of Princes are so necessary for Christs mysticall body the Church as Physicke is for a mans natuturall body the same two endes being of them both either to preuent or to cure maladies But the Papists as their champion Bellarmine doth auow de sacrament lib. 2. cap. 25. Hold a contrary Tenet namely that the firmnesse of all ancient Counsels and of all Canons in the same depend only vpon the present Churches authothority that is in plainer termes vpon the doctrine deliuered in the Councell of Trent the which as Dr. Fulke Gentiletus and other profound diuines account rather a conuenticle then a councell in respect of a great many remarkeable nullities especially for this one that it was not free 1. The place was not free nor yet so much as fit according to the canon law 2 The party who called the Councell was not free being contrary to reason and all the rules of equity both Accuser and Iudge 3. The President of the Councel was not free being a sworne vassall of the Pope 4. The Prelats assembled in that Conuenticle were not free but most of them such as had not only the marke of the beast in their foreheads but also the markes of the beast in their purses vpstart titular Bishops and were pentioners of the Pope created only for this seruice 5. The Spirit that gouerned the councell was not free for that it was vpon occasions euer and anone sent in a Cloakebag from Rome the time will not serue me to report how the Papists haue not only corrupted but also corrected diuers good canons of ancient Councels I referre the learned to the word Councell in the table which is annexed to that exquisite worke called the Protestants appeale I will at this time name but one Bartholomeus Caranza their abbreuiator of their Councel relating the Canon in the Councel of Laodicea forbidding the worship of Angels changed angelos into angulos that is Angels into Corners which according to the prouerb are no shelter for trueth and this is a trueth that if no Angels then no Saints are properly to be worshipped and inuocated Will our aduersaries admit for the Fathers here mentioned the medling Diuines I meane such as flourished betweene the old doctors and new writers Answere is made by them in their Index expurgatorius no for say they we are faine to beare with many errours in Catholike Writers we lessen and extenuate them and make the least of them by some